2 minutes ago, mojo said:

Jose is a d**khead and he'll enjoy to slaughter Frank at every given chance. 1st question to Frank yesterday after the match was 'what Jose said about Mason' and Frank said he doesn't give a f**k what any pundit has to say. I just hope this vile man won't get into Frank's head. Jose is such a masive prick.

That was a great response from Frank. Mourinho needs to shut it. Lampard is building something for the future, Mourinho would have gone with Zouma as a striker before starting a youngster up top away to ManUtd. And Mount who was one of our better players yesterday would be labeled not physical enough and sent to Vitesse if Jose was in charge.

Not sure why Jose felt the need to work for Sky, he surely doesn't need the money, he'll end up hated by the whole country, he should of just gone to America and took a position over there.

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Not to be pedantic but what exactly do you think the expectations were for Derby last season? To state that they were below average would have meant missing the playoffs. 

They integrated a lot of youth last season, completely changed the way they play football and got the playoff final, as much as I’m sure they’d have loved to go up. I think making the playoffs was the aim and to get to the final means it was a pretty good season to build from.

League form wasn't great though. They made 6th place. The play offs are a bit silly really as Leeds made 3rd place on merit and deserved it.  If we were going on league form then Derby weren't that good. 

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by enigma

9 minutes ago, Sindre said:

That was a great response from Frank. Mourinho needs to shut it. Lampard is building something for the future, Mourinho would have gone with Zouma as a striker before starting a youngster up top away to ManUtd. And Mount who was one of our better players yesterday would be labeled not physical enough and sent to Vitesse if Jose was in charge.

Didn't Jose say it would be a failure if he didn't promote some of our youth? Absolute cobblers. Same as what happened with KDB. Lukaku was pushed out for Eto'o and Ba. Jose needs to understand he was given an open cheque book when he first came to Chelsea and had some of the best players at his disposal during his title wins at the club. Not every coach gets that. Seems weird to critique the Lampard situation because he will (maybe) be given time when he hasn't been given top players to work with. 

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by enigma

42 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The one that took a very average squad with no striker and won them a European cup, another cup final and 3rd place finish against much better squads. The same manager was then poached by one of the best teams in Europe. The agenda against Sarri is strange to say what he did for our club going through a transition.

There's no agenda against Sarri. I just stated facts, if certain people don't like them, that's not my problem.

Spuds, MU and Arse didn't have much better squads than us. 

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by abramovich

I personally think Lampard was a great choice for the board.

With transfer ban, Hazard leaving and recent disastrous transfer dealings (Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Zappacosta etc) they knew the team was bound to struggle this season, no matter who's in charge. With Lampard and his determination to implement youth into the team, this is an exceptional situation where the manager has a certain freedom to build a new team without an added pressure of competing for trophies, and where (hopefully) patience and trust in the process will allow Frank and his assistants to do their job properly.

7 minutes ago, abramovich said:

There's no agenda against Sarri. I just stated facts, if certain people don't like them, that's not my problem.

Spuds, MU and Arse didn't have much better squads than us. 

Spuds and Utd had MUCH better squads and starting 11's than us. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Spuds and Utd had MUCH better squads and starting 11's than us. 

No, they didn't.

1 minute ago, abramovich said:

No, they didn't.

Well they did. We had no striker, Willian and Pedro on one wing, average CB's and and RB plus very little depth.

But whatever you need to tell yourself to convince yourself Sarri didn't do a good job. 

 

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

No he didn't need more experience at all he's right where he should be. He was very unlucky with Derby when they lost the final against Aston Villa. He's a better manager than Solskjaer.

Spot on, let's wait until, Kante, Rudi, CHO, RLC, and James are fit, let's enjoy the ride, its gonna be fun, roll on next Sunday at the bridge and Frank's homecoming, the bridge will be rocking. UTC

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by chi blue

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Well they did. We had no striker, Willian and Pedro on one wing, average CB's and and RB plus very little depth.

Sarri got to pick his striker mate. From january anyways, he was just sh*t.
And we had CHO on the wing as well who were flying in pre-season coming into the season only to be left on the bench until march in the league.

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Well they did. We had no striker, Willian and Pedro on one wing, average CB's and and RB plus very little depth.

But whatever you need to tell yourself to convince yourself Sarri didn't do a good job. 

 

United and Spurs didn't have better squads than ours, Spurs had quality first eleven, but their bench was sh*t. United had a long bench but their squad lacked balance and was the result of terrible transfer business under Woodward, in terms of value for money even worse than Marina's latest signings. There's a reason that despite Sarri's struggles they both finished behind Chelsea in the table. It wasn't some great masterstroke by Sarri, they just managed to screw up even more than us, especially at the end of the PL season.

 

Edited August 12, 20196 yr by abramovich

12 hours ago, bisright1 said:

What did he get wrong? 

Posts like this are the reason I was worried about appointing Frank. Our fans expectations are too high 

We had one of the best managers in the world last season and we hounded him out. I worry our fans will react the same when we are sitting in 6th in January and we've been beaten handily by a few teams.

One of the best managers in the world?...no I'm not gonna bite chi blue, stay calm old boy

7 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Sarri got to pick his striker mate. From january anyways, he was just sh*t.
And we had CHO on the wing as well who were flying in pre-season coming into the season only to be left on the bench until march in the league.

What other striker was available? Higuain was the only realistic option. Regardless, Sarri still got us to two finals and top 3 with no striker.

My concern is that we saw how open we were at the back and how we struggled against counters all through pre-season and it appears he hasn't addressed the issue. Perhaps a massive opening day defeat will force his hand.

Really brave by Lampard to stick the young players into the game, and didn't play for the 1 point. I didn't read why Pullisc didn't start, for the money we paid for him there's no point holding him back, but he may not be 100%, so no big deal.  Lampard knew what he wanted, and he's not afraid to do it his way even it meant short term suffering. We heard Jose's comments, he wouldn't have started Mount even if we were playing against Palace today, let alone United. That's why Lampard will play the youth for real, and Jose will just play for them when all is lost, or 3 minutes to go with 2 goals lead. Lots of pundits reckon Lampard is a sh1t player when he first played, and he proved them wrong over and over again, I'm sure he will prove them wrong again as a manager. People could write all them want about Ole's tactically out done Lampard, there are no tactics to to counter hitting the post twice.

20 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What other striker was available? Higuain was the only realistic option. Regardless, Sarri still got us to two finals and top 3 with no striker.

It's not a question of who was available. Sarri wanted Higuain, he was his first choice. 'No striker' argument is bullsh*t.

And since when "getting into finals" has become an accomplishment at Chelsea? Are we turning into Tottenham now? 

My concern is that we saw how open we were at the back and how we struggled against counters all through pre-season and it appears he hasn't addressed the issue. Perhaps a massive opening day defeat will force his hand.

I feel Rudiger and Kante are enough to minimize the situations we faced yesterday. We played with very high risk. Much bigger risks than with Sarri. We just need to bury our chances. Maybe even Ruben's presence in the midfield to add some muscle.

People are raving Manu's performance but the there is not much difference between Ole's and Jose's Utd. Players just like Ole more.

Frank decided we will create enough to score a couple with this high press. I like the approach. It just didn't work this time. Players need to pick their moments better when to attack the ball and when to sit back. This comes when the team gel's over time.

Frank needs a quick win to convince the players this system is working for us. Sarri couldn't convince players even after we won 13 in a row early in the season. If we lose to Pool and Leicester at home it is that much harder to go all out in the next match.

I expected a lot Sarri v Lampard talk this season, but not after one game, it's ridiculous conflict for the sake of it. 

 

2 hours ago, mojo said:

Jose is a d**khead and he'll enjoy to slaughter Frank at every given chance. 1st question to Frank yesterday after the match was 'what Jose said about Mason' and Frank said he doesn't give a f**k what any pundit has to say. I just hope this vile man won't get into Frank's head. Jose is such a masive prick.

Wait, you're shocked he's being like this?

Mourinho will downplay everything that Frank (just like he did Conte) achieves because he is a massive narcissist and he won't his legacy being overshadowed at the Bridge.

It's not like Sarri hasn't suffered heavy losses last season. The defeat at Spurs and Arsenal were way worse performance than yesterday, we were fortunate they ddin't put on half a dozen in those games, and we created lesser chances than yesterday in those 2 games. I'm not even going to talk about the Man City game. We have a tough run at the start of the season, had we got SouthHampton or Newcastle at home yesterday and won 2:0, everybody would say Lampard done a good job.

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

It's not a question of who was available. Sarri wanted Higuain, he was his first choice. 'No striker' argument is bullsh*t.

And since when "getting into finals" has become an accomplishment at Chelsea? Are we turning into Tottenham now? 

Sarri inherited Giroud and Morata, both absolute dogsh*t. No one world class available in January so we gambled on Higuain. Fact of the matter is he went a whole season without a striker and still got us third.

We got to two finals. Won one and lost the other one to the greatest domestic team England has seen, while arguably being the better team on the day. No we aren't Tottenham, but this in itself is an achievement. 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

There's no agenda against Sarri. I just stated facts, if certain people don't like them, that's not my problem.

Spuds, MU and Arse didn't have much better squads than us. 

We only really had Hazard as our best and world class attacking/creative player. It was Jorginho first season so was harshly judged. Manutd had three genuinely good strikers, we didn't. Arsenal had a 20+ goal striker in Aubameyang as well as a very competent striker in Lacazette.

Spurs had quality attacking players too in Kane, Son, Moura and Alli and Spurs do generally have a pretty well balanced side with a top defence and good midfield including Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen as well as decent fullbacks. Only Arsenal had a team worse than us, but they still had two top class strikers. 

Take away Kane from Spurs, Aguero from City, Salah from Liverpool, they would all struggle more. Having a clinical striker can make an average team much better. Look at Leicester with and without Vardy - it's night and day. I dunno why we never went for Vardy tbh. 

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sarri inherited Giroud and Morata, both absolute dogsh*t. No one world class available in January so we gambled on Higuain. Fact of the matter is he went a whole season without a striker and still got us third.

We got to two finals. Won one and lost the other one to the greatest domestic team England has seen, while arguably being the better team on the day. No we aren't Tottenham, but this in itself is an achievement. 

The argument doesn't work because Sarri was desperate for Higuain in the summer as well but the club refused.

So if Sarri got his way we would have played the entire season with Higuain up front and been even worse off.