29 minutes ago, loz said:

Who is talking about Jorginho? Surely nobody is claiming he had a good game. Even his mum wouldn't look him in the face this morning!

Jorgino-the-wisp, a faint presence on the pitch. blown away by the lightest breeze.

 

Not to leave out Kovacic, probably the most overrated player at the club, i cant believe some people drool on him. 

Not to leave out Kovacic, probably the most overrated player at the club, i cant believe some people drool on him. 

He had a good first half to be fair. But faded badly in the second as did the entire team.

Just now, loz said:

1 minute ago, coco said:

Not to leave out Kovacic, probably the most overrated player at the club, i cant believe some people drool on him. 

He had a good first half to be fair. But faded badly in the second as did the entire team.

You are easily pleased mate, zero output from him every game, we cannot afford him and Jorginho in the midfield together.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Not to leave out Kovacic, probably the most overrated player at the club, i cant believe some people drool on him. 

Say what now, he was the only saving grace yesterday. Did his best to run the midfield all on his own and did it well too.

He's the last player that should be called out this season.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

Why can't we debate the VAR decisions without people assuming were doing it to 'excuse' the teams performance ? I'm not excusing anyone.

I never said you can't, I just said I'm personally sick of it. 

Just like how people are sick of me talking about Kovacic and Kante all the time. 

Trying to reach an overview after this match is harder than usual because I would usually say the VAR decisions even themselves out over the season but on this occasion I find that a very hard pill to swallow. Had Maguire been sent off he would not have scored the second goal and Utd would have tired earlier in the game. The points Utd pick up from this match put them in a much better position than they were and other teams like Spurs etc can now take heart. This was a crucial game at a crucial time of the season and it was ruined by the Maguire decision. If you consider the push on Azpeliqueta it is a no brainer that VAR had an unfair impact on Chelsea.

So how do you sum up what happened? Against  impossibly unfair decisions we lose an incredibly important match and that's the end of the story? No it's not.

I try to give each player the benefit of the doubt and even considered forgiving Batshuay's miss on the fact that Maguire had kicked him the bollocks so hard that he had lost his shooting boots. In the end I think you have to accept that Batshuayi has to, for now, be put below Giroud in terms of selection. His overall play last night wasn't good enough and while he showed, at times, a willingness to press he did it to little effect and the ball bounced off him too often. He has showed promise in front of goal in the past but his time on the bench doesn't seem to have incentivised him into performing any better. He can't take all the flack as we have lacked any real bite in attack for some time. We just don't score enough goals. I know our defence isn't where it could be but it comes under much too much pressure because of the lack of goals. A pattern in recent games has been for us to not take our chances, then create less chances and then concede. We seem to lose heart or focus when we don't take our chances. I don't think the return of Pulisic, Tammy, CHO or RLC can impact the rest of the season enough. I think we have other problems. I have withheld judgement on Jorge until now but for me he doesn't provide enough in midfield. He keeps a certain momentum going and appears to be a good leader at times but for me he doesn't provide enough going forward. He doesn't lay off that killer pass. On a number of occasions last night I was waiting for him to play a through ball to an attacker and he didn't. He lacks vision. If you add in his lack of physical strength he becomes a problem.

For me the story of this match is that it opens the door to no Champions League football next season. The result, rightly or wrongly, has sent us on a downward trajectory that will be hard to recover from and Frank and the players are just about to play the most important game of the season and it's against Jose's Spurs. How does Frank outwit the master again? It's almost an impossible task with the injuries the squad is now carrying. Jose has got Spuds playing his way.

For me the only hope is that the injustice of last night galvanises the whole squad to realise this is the match that shapes the rest of the season. This is the match that can change the rest of the season and the current trajectory. Frank needs to have a plan to score within the first 20-30 minutes. If Jose holds a draw at half time he will sit back and try for the late goal. Against our recent trend this will work. If we lose heart and focus Spurs will score against us, Kane or no Kane they have won their last three games and their tales are up. We must score and force them to come at us and leave gaps at the back. I don't think one goal will be enough.

Frank needs to build a siege mentality in the next few days and come up with a plan to score. That plan may include Giroud.

 

COYB.

 

 

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Say what now, he was the only saving grace yesterday. Did his best to run the midfield all on his own and did it well too.

He's the last player that should be called out this season.

I love Coco but he suffers from favouritism big time, if he likes a player he'll give them every excuse under the sun, CHO for example, if he doesn't like a player he'll slate them for having a good game. 

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I love Coco but he suffers from favouritism big time, if he likes a player he'll give them every excuse under the sun, CHO for example, if he doesn't like a player he'll slate them for having a good game. 

Much the same as everyone else on here, we all have our favs, but unless you didnt notice, he didnt play last night,

Get rid of Kovacic and Jorginho in the summer, and bring in two proper midfielders with substance and output. 

1 minute ago, coco said:

Much the same as everyone else on here, we all have our favs, but unless you didnt notice, he didnt play last night,

I never said he did play, I'm just saying yours is pretty noticable. I've seen you defend CHO after horrible performances, bearing in mind I'm also one of his biggest defenders on here, but you'll absolutely rib players you don't like even when they've played well. I really don't know how anyone can single out Kovacic on this game, even Loz of all people is saying he had a good game, hell I think even Gol15 did. 

1 minute ago, Slojo said:

I never said he did play, I'm just saying yours is pretty noticable. I've seen you defend CHO after horrible performances, bearing in mind I'm also one of his biggest defenders on here, but you'll absolutely rib players you don't like even when they've played well. I really don't know how anyone can single out Kovacic on this game, even Loz of all people is saying he had a good game, hell I think even Gol15 did. 

I dont defend Callum, i support one of our youngsters who is just a teen, and who already has more assists than Kovacic, despite being injured and just a kid.

Let that sink in for a minute, CHO the kid, has more league assists than Kovacic the great.

 

2 minutes ago, coco said:

I dont defend Callum, i support one of our youngsters who is just a teen, and who already has more assists than Kovacic, despite being injured and just a kid.

Let that sink in for a minute, CHO the kid, has more league assists than Kovacic the great.

 

Right, obviously on a wind up then. 

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Right, obviously on a wind up then. 

Hang on a minute, this started because you said we are using VAR to excuse the players performance. So i blame some of the players, and then you dont like it that i picked on your boy. ?

Any news on why RLC didn't feature for the developmental squad against arsenal yesterday?

     Hopefully it's not another setback

1 minute ago, coco said:

Hang on a minute, this started because you said we are using VAR to excuse the players performance. So i blame some of the players, and then you dont like it that i picked on your boy. ?

Ughh, all I'm saying is, is that I'm tired of the excuses. I know VAR f**ked up, but how many goals did we score again? Oh that's right, a big fat 0 yet again, it's been an issue all season with us not being clinical enough. Even when we had our good run of games we were missing a lot of chances. 

And I'm really not going to get baited into you comparing stats between a winger and a midfielder and you calling him "my boy", you're just being childish. If that was anyone else on the forum talking that way they would get destroyed by the old guard on here. 

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Ughh, all I'm saying is, is that I'm tired of the excuses. I know VAR f**ked up, but how many goals did we score again? Oh that's right, a big fat 0 yet again, it's been an issue all season with us not being clinical enough. Even when we had our good run of games we were missing a lot of chances. 

And I'm really not going to get baited into you comparing stats between a winger and a midfielder and you calling him "my boy", you're just being childish. If that was anyone else on the forum talking that way they would get destroyed by the old guard on here. 

chill out pal.?

Just now, coco said:

chill out pal.?

See I knew you were on a wind up! 

16 minutes ago, coco said:

I dont defend Callum, i support one of our youngsters who is just a teen, and who already has more assists than Kovacic, despite being injured and just a kid.

Let that sink in for a minute, CHO the kid, has more league assists than Kovacic the great.

 

     Wow!!! I can't believe anyone can slate kovacic after the season he has had. He is the only midfielder actually driving with the ball and putting in work. Also he plays as a defensive midfielder and has to cover for slow jorginho and attacking headless chicken kante so I don't expect him to have more assists than CHO who is a winger/striker.

      Kovacic could easily be our player of the season unless they want to give the award to one of the kids which I wouldn't mind

2 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

     Wow!!! I can't believe anyone can slate kovacic after the season he has had. He is the only midfielder actually driving with the ball and putting in work. Also he plays as a defensive midfielder and has to cover for slow jorginho and attacking headless chicken kante so I don't expect him to have more assists than CHO who is a winger/striker.

      Kovacic could easily be our player of the season unless they want to give the award to one of the kids which I wouldn't mind

Ohh.. looks like 2 members are just pulling each others legs. Not trying to get sucked in.

Jorginho had a decent game. Without him nobody knows what to do and where to stand. He has been our best midfielder for 2 years in a row now.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

Jorginho had a decent game. Without him nobody knows what to do and where to stand. He has been our best midfielder for 2 years in a row now.

         He is good on the ball and  a f**king liability without it,  just like Christensen.. Hopefully they are both sold next season to leagues that will appreciate their qualities but I don't think they have the balls for the premiership. Just toooooo soft

8 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

         He is good on the ball and  a f**king liability without it,  just like Christensen.. Hopefully they are both sold next season to leagues that will appreciate their qualities but I don't think they have the balls for the premiership. Just toooooo soft

Try and tell him that to his face

Pointless Having VAR If The Person Behind It Has A Different View To Another Person, Either Get Everyone To Agree On Certain Parameters And Actually Have The Refs Use Pitchside Monitors, That's What They Are There For

28 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Try and tell him that to his face

You are as soft as Ur fake laugh Mrs JORGINHO. Lol

Edited February 18, 20206 yr by The Don Antonio