January 15, 20251 yr Well it is historic. Apparently it is the first time, in the PL, a ref has rejected the VAR advice at the monitor to give a red card.
January 15, 20251 yr You could tell by the number of times the ref watched the replay that he was looking for a reason not to send him off.
January 15, 20251 yr Author 2 hours ago, axman2526 said: Isn't that against the rules though? Should either be a red or nothing. Nope. It's the ref on the field that has the final say. It's very rare to see them not go with VAR though.
January 15, 20251 yr 10 hours ago, axman2526 said: Well it is historic. Apparently it is the first time, in the PL, a ref has rejected the VAR advice at the monitor to give a red card. Who'd have guessed that we'd be on the end of a 'historic' refereeing decision?
January 15, 20251 yr 12 hours ago, dansubrosa said: I guess they can start doing it more regularly then, since it’s only a booking offence. Great precedent they’ve set there. Clowns. Yes, a whack in the face and a hair pull is not violent now. Just reckless.
January 20, 20251 yr Do we really feel these decisions even out.. Just most things in life i think it is doesnt. When we were among the top dogs - i think we often got the benefit, since no ref wanted to create controversy. In the last few years i have seen some horrendous decisions against us.. especially when playing Pool & City. The last few games though have been nothing short of a scandal if i am honest. the high tackles, penalties missed and given- Var reversals. I want to say that players should do better but these things also matter.
April 4, 20251 yr Time to bump this thread after last night.I know there are those who will say VAR got the decisions correct. But at what cost?Think Ange talked for most of us when he moaned about VAR after the game and how refs aren't allow to ref the game properly now. Of course he looked a complete idiot because the Spurs goal was rightly chalked off and the only wonder was why it took so long to arrive at the decision.With our offside it was really poor and part ruined the game for me. Great goal and no flag and I didn't see any Spurs players appealing for offside so why even go to VAR? And it was still inconclusive after 6 minutes looking at it, so why disallow what looked like a perfectly good goal?VAR is here to stay however much we all moan about it but they HAVE to improve how it is used and give the overall control back to the ref. It really shouldn't be that difficult.
April 4, 20251 yr I would say if it's so close that you need to lay down lines on a monitor and watch it 15 times then it not offsides. Are they looking to justify VAR? It seems like they over rule the most un-obvious calls and back the refs on most of the very obvious and controversial ones.The problem is still with the biased people running VAR.
November 5, 2025Nov 5 I was just watching the Champions league highlights from last night's games. Are the rules for red cards different for UEFA than PL? The Bentancur challenge or Reece on Saturday was only given as a yellow. But on review, the Brennan Johnson tackle last night was given as a red, citing dangerous play. I think the Bentancur challenge is worse - similar position on the leg, more force in the challenge, definitely dangerous play to me. How can one be a red and one a yellow? I don't buy the "one is slide tackle and the other is upright" in real time, there was way more force in the Bentancur challenge.I also think the Diaz red card last night for Bayern was soft, definitely by comparison. He didn't even make contact with his feet!
November 5, 2025Nov 5 22 minutes ago, Shweaves said:I was just watching the Champions league highlights from last night's games. Are the rules for red cards different for UEFA than PL?The Bentancur challenge or Reece on Saturday was only given as a yellow. But on review, the Brennan Johnson tackle last night was given as a red, citing dangerous play. I think the Bentancur challenge is worse - similar position on the leg, more force in the challenge, definitely dangerous play to me. How can one be a red and one a yellow? I don't buy the "one is slide tackle and the other is upright" in real time, there was way more force in the Bentancur challenge.I also think the Diaz red card last night for Bayern was soft, definitely by comparison. He didn't even make contact with his feet!UEFA and PL interpretations differ in almost every regard from red cards to hand ball. UEFA much more strict. Last night Arsenal earned a penalty v Slavia Prague because the ball slid off a defender's head onto his arm. Wouldn't have been given in the PL.
May 14May 14 Remember when we were told early on tat VAR would never have a big impact on seasons, its just there to get the small things right....hows that going then....
May 14May 14 It’s managed to destroy the PL & SPL title race in the space of 3 days. What a sh*t misused piece of technology.
May 16May 16 Author On 14/05/2026 at 08:12, dkw said:Remember when we were told early on tat VAR would never have a big impact on seasons, its just there to get the small things right....hows that going then....Terribly
May 17May 17 they are all cowards they are never going to go against the current champions and pep.. we used to get decisions like this in the past and now the shoe is on the other foot.. these are all c**ts and basically undertrained cowards..
May 29May 29 Data just released by the VAR Key incidents panel. Our benefits from decisions were nothing compared to what Arsenal got away with. Full data is on BBC Sport.""Arsenal and Chelsea were the biggest beneficiaries of video assistant referee and on-field errors this season.Mikel Arteta's Gunners won the Premier League while becoming the first team to go the whole campaign without receiving a red card or conceding a penalty.But data logged by the Premier League's key match incidents (KMI) panel shows that Arsenal should have conceded three penalties and received three red cards.In total, Arsenal had seven referee mistakes in their favour, while London rivals Chelsea gained from eight""
May 30May 30 1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:Data just released by the VAR Key incidents panel. Our benefits from decisions were nothing compared to what Arsenal got away with. Full data is on BBC Sport.""Arsenal and Chelsea were the biggest beneficiaries of video assistant referee and on-field errors this season.Mikel Arteta's Gunners won the Premier League while becoming the first team to go the whole campaign without receiving a red card or conceding a penalty.But data logged by the Premier League's key match incidents (KMI) panel shows that Arsenal should have conceded three penalties and received three red cards.In total, Arsenal had seven referee mistakes in their favour, while London rivals Chelsea gained from eight""Would be good to know how many went against us too.. I doubt many went against Arsenal.. some stonewalled penalties missed and red cards never given.
May 30May 30 10 hours ago, Jangz said:Would be good to know how many went against us too.. I doubt many went against Arsenal.. some stonewalled penalties missed and red cards never given.Yes. There's tons of data released by the panel, I haven't bothered to look through it all, it's probably in there somewhere. Can't remember which team it is, but there's one who suffered the most from wrong decisions in the data. I hope they don't let Arsenal get away with their nonsense tonight
August 18Aug 18 BBC SportPremier League to publish verdicts on referee and VAR dec...The Premier League will publish the judgements of its Key Match Incidents Panel for the first time this season.Premier League to publish verdicts on referee and VAR decisionsImage source,Getty ImagesImage caption,Pro Pre hopes to give supporters greater understanding of refereeing decisions by opening up communicationByDale JohnsonFootball issues correspondentPublished22 minutes ago34 CommentsThe full judgements made by the Key Match Incidents Panel on referee and video assistant referee decisions will be shared with fans for the first time this season.It is one of three measures brought in by the Premier League, external to improve transparency, alongside the publishing of direct explanations of officials, and broadcasting RefCam with audio of a referee talking to players.The five members of the KMI Panel have met since the 2022-23 season, but until now the full judgements have been kept private - though there was a tendency for clubs to leak the information.Every major incident is assessed and voted on, with feedback provided to clubs and officials.The Premier League believes releasing the document will give full transparency about the evaluation of decisions.Selected direct quotes of the referee and/or the video assistant referee will be published on the Premier League's Match Centre account on X, on the Premier League website and the Premier League app to try to provide the rationale behind a decision.Previously, the account published a general summary of an incident rather than the real-time explanations and thought processes of officials.This will include a referee's description of why they have given a decision, or the VAR's direct reasoning for why they have not intervened.The expansion of the use of RefCam will for the first time allow the broadcast of audio between the referee and the players.This will not be live, nor will it include any of the conversation between the referee and the VAR, but it will be used in-game one or two times in each round of fixtures.The Premier League and Pro Ref are trying to take steps to increase the transparency over decisions while still being limited by the International Football Association Board's (Ifab) refusal to permit the live broadcast of VAR discussions.The Premier League is to continue discussions with Ifab about allowing more VAR communication to be shared with the public.How the KMI Panel worksThe KMI Panel meets every week to dissect each decision, from goals to penalties to red cards.It has five members: three former players and coaches, plus one representative each from the Premier League and referees' body Pro Ref.The KMI Panel was created by the Premier League clubs in 2022 to take performance stats out of the hands of the refereeing body.It is not intended to look at each incident like any fan or manager would. It takes into account the laws of the game and, crucially, how the Premier League expects its games to be refereed.That is why the list of errors is not as extensive as supporters would expect.The KMI Panel first looks at the decision of the on-field referee team, and then of the VAR.As the VAR is operating to a higher threshold - clear and obvious - there are times when the KMI Panel will say the referee was wrong but the VAR was correct not to intervene.The KMI Panel also considers situations which are not reviewable by VAR, such as second yellow cards missed.A simple majority is then required to determine if the decision was correct or not.Last season's judgements, seen by BBC Sport, show there were 25 VAR errors, up from 18 in the 2024-25 campaignIt was still a marked improvement on previous years, with 31 errors in 2023-24 and 38 in 2022-23.The results also come with comments from the members of the panel to explain the reasoning for their decision.It is also used to create the performance-related payments to referees at the end of each season.VAR errors by club2025-26 Premier League seasonUse the column header buttons to sort columns by ascending or descending orderCurrently not sortedClubErrors in favourErrors againstNetChelsea404Arsenal303AFC Bournemouth422Newcastle202Tottenham101Wolverhampton211Aston Villa000Brentford220Manchester City110Nottingham Forest110West Ham220Burnley01-1Fulham01-1Leeds United01-1Liverpool01-1Manchester United12-1Sunderland12-1Brighton & Hove Albion02-2Everton13-2Crystal Palace03-3
August 18Aug 18 13 minutes ago, Boyne said:BBC SportPremier League to publish verdicts on referee and VAR dec...The Premier League will publish the judgements of its Key Match Incidents Panel for the first time this season.Premier League to publish verdicts on referee and VAR decisionsImage source,Getty ImagesImage caption,Pro Pre hopes to give supporters greater understanding of refereeing decisions by opening up communicationByDale JohnsonFootball issues correspondentPublished22 minutes ago34 CommentsThe full judgements made by the Key Match Incidents Panel on referee and video assistant referee decisions will be shared with fans for the first time this season.It is one of three measures brought in by the Premier League, external to improve transparency, alongside the publishing of direct explanations of officials, and broadcasting RefCam with audio of a referee talking to players.The five members of the KMI Panel have met since the 2022-23 season, but until now the full judgements have been kept private - though there was a tendency for clubs to leak the information.Every major incident is assessed and voted on, with feedback provided to clubs and officials.The Premier League believes releasing the document will give full transparency about the evaluation of decisions.Selected direct quotes of the referee and/or the video assistant referee will be published on the Premier League's Match Centre account on X, on the Premier League website and the Premier League app to try to provide the rationale behind a decision.Previously, the account published a general summary of an incident rather than the real-time explanations and thought processes of officials.This will include a referee's description of why they have given a decision, or the VAR's direct reasoning for why they have not intervened.The expansion of the use of RefCam will for the first time allow the broadcast of audio between the referee and the players.This will not be live, nor will it include any of the conversation between the referee and the VAR, but it will be used in-game one or two times in each round of fixtures.The Premier League and Pro Ref are trying to take steps to increase the transparency over decisions while still being limited by the International Football Association Board's (Ifab) refusal to permit the live broadcast of VAR discussions.The Premier League is to continue discussions with Ifab about allowing more VAR communication to be shared with the public.How the KMI Panel worksThe KMI Panel meets every week to dissect each decision, from goals to penalties to red cards.It has five members: three former players and coaches, plus one representative each from the Premier League and referees' body Pro Ref.The KMI Panel was created by the Premier League clubs in 2022 to take performance stats out of the hands of the refereeing body.It is not intended to look at each incident like any fan or manager would. It takes into account the laws of the game and, crucially, how the Premier League expects its games to be refereed.That is why the list of errors is not as extensive as supporters would expect.The KMI Panel first looks at the decision of the on-field referee team, and then of the VAR.As the VAR is operating to a higher threshold - clear and obvious - there are times when the KMI Panel will say the referee was wrong but the VAR was correct not to intervene.The KMI Panel also considers situations which are not reviewable by VAR, such as second yellow cards missed.A simple majority is then required to determine if the decision was correct or not.Last season's judgements, seen by BBC Sport, show there were 25 VAR errors, up from 18 in the 2024-25 campaignIt was still a marked improvement on previous years, with 31 errors in 2023-24 and 38 in 2022-23.The results also come with comments from the members of the panel to explain the reasoning for their decision.It is also used to create the performance-related payments to referees at the end of each season.VAR errors by club2025-26 Premier League seasonUse the column header buttons to sort columns by ascending or descending orderCurrently not sortedClubErrors in favourErrors againstNetChelsea404Arsenal303AFC Bournemouth422Newcastle202Tottenham101Wolverhampton211Aston Villa000Brentford220Manchester City110Nottingham Forest110West Ham220Burnley01-1Fulham01-1Leeds United01-1Liverpool01-1Manchester United12-1Sunderland12-1Brighton & Hove Albion02-2Everton13-2Crystal Palace03-3Decent idea in theory that fails to take into account the multitude of one-eyed fans who see black when it's white and this will only let them double down. Still, they're trying for transparency.
August 19Aug 19 Transparency is a bullsh*t concept. It's just a game, FFS. Can you imagine if a parking officer or a cop had to publish an essay every time they decided to exercise discretion not to book someone?All this does is inflame asinine conspiracies about refereeing and give a platform for self-indulgent justification of mistakes. These measures are just window-dressing because you cannot fight the human propensity for confirmation bias like this. Get rid of VAR and let fans whinge. Teach players and managers that their job is to get on with the game, not appeal to the referee. Cricket had the right idea before the DRS, the umpire's word was law. Video refereeing ruins every sport it touches.
9 hours ago9 hr This is still bent and bullsh*t..huge conflict of interest. Have an independent auditor and then we know.We were dogsh*t but in the 94th minute when we had a shout for handball - it was a foul anywhere else on the pitch.. and should have been a penalty.. against aresenal there was a red card for Gabriel.. he was out of control and they were one goal down.. look at arteta he knows these crooks and has started his antics already like the penalty shout and what do we do .. nothing. We should have come out after the match just like Liverpool and Arsenal had a statement. Against hill city they were wasting time from minute one and we had a novice ref ( I don’t remember seeing him last season) who didn’t want to give any big calls.. he allowed them To get away .. Alonso needs to call out these thugs .. if look at any of these guys Clattenburg Cooke and dean all have literally confirmed refs are anything but unbiased.. arsenal get away with murder season after season and they set a market ok refs early..
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