"I mean if we are going to persist with starting well then fading away I'd rather start Enzo+Caicedo then sub Lavia on in the 2nd half to help close the game out. "

After yesterday not sure Lavia's ready to close out a game, hard to see the Enzo complaints, when Lavia pissed the ball away to lead to the PK simply not willing to use his left foot at all.

Ah was very nice to have a game without this guy in the team.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Ah was very nice to have a game without this guy in the team.

Well the result is deceiving in that regard, it's not like we were very good at the midfield and we suffered a lot for many moments through the entire game, and i didn't particularly like having to see Palmer going so deep to get the ball.

4 minutes ago, Upb78 said:

Well the result is deceiving in that regard, it's not like we were very good at the midfield and we suffered a lot for many moments through the entire game, and i didn't particularly like having to see Palmer going so deep to get the ball.

Nah the result has nothing to do with it.

One lightweight midfielder replaced another. 

Media outlets reporting Real Madrid are interested and want to offer Tchouameni in exchange.  Wonder if any truth to that, and also adds fuel to his absence. 

4 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Media outlets reporting Real Madrid are interested and want to offer Tchouameni in exchange.  Wonder if any truth to that, and also adds fuel to his absence. 

Yes, yes, a million times yes.

With Kroos remaining top of his game until the last hurrah and Federico Valverde morphing into a world-class player, Tchouameni hasn't quite had the space to grow. This season he's deputised a lot at CB and has reportedly been playing through niggling ankle injuries (never a good sign). 

A class player who would look outstanding next Caicedo and tactically, fill a hole that we've really been trying to fill since Nemanja Matic.

It's an opportunistic potential transfer again, but this one I could really get behind, as we've been crying out for a tall, physical, athletic, technical DM for years !

Let's hope Fernandez's head is well and truly turned, leaving Eghbali no choice but to sell 🙂 

 

<< EDIT : Transfermarkt's Market Valuation for Tchouameni is €80m vs €75m for Enzo, so we'd come out ahead in the swap LOL >>

Edited January 23, 20251 yr by Sexyfootball

Can see it now - Chelsea and Real Madrid in sensational exchange deal with Fernandez and Tchounameni.  Chelsea loan Tchounameni to Strasbourg. 

In all seriousness, Tchouanmeni's wages might be a problem.  Would love to see him next to Caicedo though. 

28 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's an opportunistic potential transfer again, but this one I could really get behind, as we've been crying out for a tall, physical, athletic, technical DM for years !

Let's hope Fernandez's head is well and truly turned, leaving Eghbali no choice but to sell 🙂 

 

<< EDIT : Transfermarkt's Market Valuation for Tchouameni is €80m vs €75m for Enzo, so we'd come out ahead in the swap LOL >>

Arguably both players would benefit from the move. Enzo would likely thrive in La Liga, and Tchouanmeni has the physical presence for the Premier League.

9 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Can see it now - Chelsea and Real Madrid in sensational exchange deal with Fernandez and Tchounameni.  Chelsea loan Tchounameni to Strasbourg. 

In all seriousness, Tchouanmeni's wages might be a problem.  Would love to see him next to Caicedo though. 

Apparently he's on about €240m a week. About £202K. Enzo is on £180K, so not much to bridge .. I'd say not a problem if there is the will to do the swap. Whether Tchouameni would agree to the move is another matter though I guess. We do have a big French contingent, so that might appeal

This rumour has been about before, I don't think there is anything to it.

Would be very happy to be wrong about this one though.

Enzo is a great technical player and a leader so we would lose a lot if we sell him, just need to find his best role.

 

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is a great technical player and a leader so we would lose a lot if we sell him, just need to find his best role.

 

We'd lose a lot of money, that's about it. 

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is a great technical player and a leader so we would lose a lot if we sell him, just need to find his best role.

 

We'd loose the headache of keeping him at the club. 

We'd lose his fabulous ability to embroil himself in off field crap

We'd probably gain a better player in return and lok a better team on the pitch as a result. 

If Real want him, make it happen yesterday. 

29 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

We'd loose the headache of keeping him at the club. 

We'd lose his fabulous ability to embroil himself in off field crap

We'd probably gain a better player in return and lok a better team on the pitch as a result. 

If Real want him, make it happen yesterday. 

Would Madrid want him? Valverde, Bellingham, Camavinga are all better than him to start and they're not paying what we'd want for depth. 

41 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

We'd loose the headache of keeping him at the club. 

We'd lose his fabulous ability to embroil himself in off field crap

We'd probably gain a better player in return and lok a better team on the pitch as a result. 

If Real want him, make it happen yesterday. 

 

If Real wants him it also probably points to his quality wouldn't you think?

 

We could finally redeem the lassitude of the upper footballing world when they allowed Camavinga and Tchouaméni to sign for Real Madrid in consecutive summers. 

An even better redemption would be binning off Fernández in favour of a French player of African descent. 

Both sides win here, Fernández will almost certainly be brilliant for Real. The only concern is, as Sydney says, Tchouaméni's injury record. 

Don't suppose they fancy swapping Félix for Camavinga while they're at it?

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

 

If Real wants him it also probably points to his quality wouldn't you think?

 

They can have all his quality. I hope they buy him for his quality, I hope they buy him for his elite passing, vision and goals. I hope he goes on to have a bloody brilliant career. 

but it hasnt worked out for him in the premier league. I hope we dont buy Garnacho to try and help him settle either. It was the same for Crespo and Veron - just couldnt settle or adapt to the country or league. 

5 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

They can have all his quality. I hope they buy him for his quality, I hope they buy him for his elite passing, vision and goals. I hope he goes on to have a bloody brilliant career. 

but it hasnt worked out for him in the premier league. I hope we dont buy Garnacho to try and help him settle either. It was the same for Crespo and Veron - just couldnt settle or adapt to the country or league. 

That was my thought about our "interest" in Garnacho as well ... bringing him in for Fernandez's benefit. We did it with Felipe Luis for Costa a few years back, but it was worth it as Costa was actually a difference maker in the same way that Fernandez unfortunately isn't ... 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

That was my thought about our "interest" in Garnacho as well ... bringing him in for Fernandez's benefit. We did it with Felipe Luis for Costa a few years back, but it was worth it as Costa was actually a difference maker in the same way that Fernandez unfortunately isn't ... 

Pointless bringing in another player who cant cut it in the premiership. Two wrongs dont make a right. 

It is what it is, Im sure the directors who signed Enzo also want him to work. I wish it did as it could be the end of the current manager in the summer. Enzo Snr hasnt been able to get anything extra out of Jnr like the Poch/Potter axis. 

1 hour ago, bluetrooper said:

They can have all his quality. I hope they buy him for his quality, I hope they buy him for his elite passing, vision and goals. I hope he goes on to have a bloody brilliant career. 

but it hasnt worked out for him in the premier league. I hope we dont buy Garnacho to try and help him settle either. It was the same for Crespo and Veron - just couldnt settle or adapt to the country or league. 

Oh look at you profiling a player based on his nationality and putting him in your specific little box... Enzo not only settled he put his feet on the table and is having the remote control, haven't you noticed that he's doing whatever he wants?

Hasn't work in the Premier League LOL he came in and ran the whole midfield solo from his first match under Potter while the team was dead, do you really believe that he's having a bad season or something? 🤣

18 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Oh look at you profiling a player based on his nationality and putting him in your specific little box... Enzo not only settled he put his feet on the table and is having the remote control, haven't you noticed that he's doing whatever he wants?

Hasn't work in the Premier League LOL he came in and ran the whole midfield solo from his first match under Potter while the team was dead, do you really believe that he's having a bad season or something? 🤣

So Enzo is officially Gol 15's new Jorginho!

And just as deluded!!

2 minutes ago, Nibs said:

So Enzo is officially Gol 15's new Jorginho!

And just as deluded!!

How ironic that people with no argument simply have to mention Jorginho in their replies, what exactly is deluded in my comment, did you miss Enzo's debut or do you honestly believe that he's having a poor season? LOL

20 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Oh look at you profiling a player based on his nationality and putting him in your specific little box... Enzo not only settled he put his feet on the table and is having the remote control, haven't you noticed that he's doing whatever he wants?

Hasn't work in the Premier League LOL he came in and ran the whole midfield solo from his first match under Potter while the team was dead, do you really believe that he's having a bad season or something? 🤣

Have you ever had a good football opinion? I've never seen someone consistently be sold on purple patches of form so often. 

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

How ironic that people with no argument simply have to mention Jorginho in their replies, what exactly is deluded in my comment, did you miss Enzo's debut or do you honestly believe that he's having a poor season? LOL

did you miss the 2 years between his debut and his 6 weeks of form before Christmas against relegation fodder and European minnows?