https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html

Haven't seen this in other threads (mods please move if in the wrong place).  Worth some discussion - some observations:

• 11 of top 20 revenue generating clubs in the world play in the Premier League
• The middle east clubs of City and PSG generate nearly 400M in commercial revenue.  Once Newcastle's "commercial" revenue starts coming from Saudi Arabia (currently 33M), they'll be right up there.  For comparison, Chelsea commercial revenue was 209M
• Spurs - 125M in matchday revenue, compared to Chelsea at 82M.  Shows what a stadium can do.  Only Utd (126M) and PSG (132M) exceed this
• Chelsea ranked 8th overall.  Beyond commercial noted above, need to boost matchday and maintain tv revenue, which requires you to go deep consistently in Europe

13 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

 

• The middle east clubs of City and PSG generate nearly 400M in commercial revenue.  Once Newcastle's "commercial" revenue starts coming from Saudi Arabia (currently 33M), they'll be right up there.  For comparison, Chelsea commercial revenue was 209M

Todd and Co have yet to invest Asian betting companies to sponsor/Partner with us

Word is our next shirt sponsor is some new company called Lake Clear and it is going to be hedge alotta cash for us.

Broadcast revenue increases this year. And I would bet that they find a few new sponsors by the end of the season. 

4 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

 

• Spurs - 125M in matchday revenue, compared to Chelsea at 82M.  Shows what a stadium can do.  Only Utd (126M) and PSG (132M) exceed this

 

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of a stadium then - £1.2bn in debt for a measly £40m extra per year

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of a stadium then - £1.2bn in debt for a measly £40m extra per year

They are seeking £25m/yr for naming rights to their stadium though.

 

6 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html

Haven't seen this in other threads (mods please move if in the wrong place).  Worth some discussion - some observations:

• 11 of top 20 revenue generating clubs in the world play in the Premier League
• The middle east clubs of City and PSG generate nearly 400M in commercial revenue.  Once Newcastle's "commercial" revenue starts coming from Saudi Arabia (currently 33M), they'll be right up there.  For comparison, Chelsea commercial revenue was 209M
• Spurs - 125M in matchday revenue, compared to Chelsea at 82M.  Shows what a stadium can do.  Only Utd (126M) and PSG (132M) exceed this
• Chelsea ranked 8th overall.  Beyond commercial noted above, need to boost matchday and maintain tv revenue, which requires you to go deep consistently in Europe

- One or even 2 of Spurs, Liverpool & Man Utd might be owned by Middle East money by the start of next season since they are all up for sale.

- I feel some fans still don’t appreciate how difficult it was for Roman to keep us competitive in Europe with our commercial revenue stagnated, and without a new stadium.

- Might be in the minority but I feel Boehly needs to take the expiring contracts of ageing stars & underperforming high earners off the books at the end of the season. Even Utd have set a basic top rate of £200k/w for new contracts. The reality is we are 2-3 seasons from competing for the league, clearing Kante, Jorginho, Pulisic, Ziyech, CHO, Azpi, RLC & Aubameyang will save over £1m in wages weekly. Fans are in for a rude awakening when our accounts are released.

10 minutes ago, ducavis said:

- I feel some fans still don’t appreciate how difficult it was for Roman to keep us competitive in Europe with our commercial revenue stagnated, and without a new stadium.

It was basically his fault though. You can't really blame him for not building the stadium as that was his decision but he didn't put the right people in charge of the club. 
Especially towards the end there was no proper structure in place and it basically blew Boehly & Eghbali's mind how amateurish it was when they took over. Marina was in charge and somehow conned people into thinking she did a good job but in actuality she more or less set us back years with the way we were run.

43 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

It was basically his fault though. You can't really blame him for not building the stadium as that was his decision but he didn't put the right people in charge of the club. 
Especially towards the end there was no proper structure in place and it basically blew Boehly & Eghbali's mind how amateurish it was when they took over. Marina was in charge and somehow conned people into thinking she did a good job but in actuality she more or less set us back years with the way we were run.

How was it his fault that the new stadium wasn't built? There was council permission, a very nice project and everything was in place. Building prices went sky high rocket, we got hit by a pandemic, and the fooking UK government did not allow him into the country for several years previous. I think those are good excuses not to go ahead with the plans. I could agree that some of the spending in players was not the best, but saying that we haven't got a new stadium is Roman's fault, I think is just going a bit too far. We still managed to win pretty good silverware, let's wait and see where the 'professionalism' of Boehly and co. takes us.

1 minute ago, RMH said:

How was it his fault that the new stadium wasn't built? There was council permission, a very nice project and everything was in place. Building prices went sky high rocket, we got hit by a pandemic, and the fooking UK government did not allow him into the country for several years previous. I think those are good excuses not to go ahead with the plans. I could agree that some of the spending in players was not the best, but saying that we haven't got a new stadium is Roman's fault, I think is just going a bit too far. We still managed to win pretty good silverware, let's wait and see where the 'professionalism' of Boehly and co. takes us.

I didn't blame him for not building the stadium.

I blamed him for putting the wrong people in charge of running the club.

52 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

It was basically his fault though. You can't really blame him for not building the stadium as that was his decision but he didn't put the right people in charge of the club. 
Especially towards the end there was no proper structure in place and it basically blew Boehly & Eghbali's mind how amateurish it was when they took over. Marina was in charge and somehow conned people into thinking she did a good job but in actuality she more or less set us back years with the way we were run.

Agree about your points on Roman.

I think Marina actually did a good job for her role, which was basically a negotiator. Sadly she didn't have good people around her to identify talent and probably didn't really have a clue about football. When Emenalo was here Marina was doing a great job just agreeing deals.

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I didn't blame him for not building the stadium.

I blamed him for putting the wrong people in charge of running the club.

Ok, I misread your post then. Sorry.

Edit to add that I haven't had my coffee yet... 

Edited January 27, 20233 yr by RMH

4 minutes ago, RMH said:

How was it his fault that the new stadium wasn't built? There was council permission, a very nice project and everything was in place. Building prices went sky high rocket, we got hit by a pandemic, and the fooking UK government did not allow him into the country for several years previous. I think those are good excuses not to go ahead with the plans. I could agree that some of the spending in players was not the best, but saying that we haven't got a new stadium is Roman's fault, I think is just going a bit too far. We still managed to win pretty good silverware, let's wait and see where the 'professionalism' of Boehly and co. takes us.

Pretty sure he said he doesn't blame Roman for not building a stadium 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Pretty sure he said he doesn't blame Roman for not building a stadium 

But finished the sentence by saying it was his decision. That decision was largely taken out of his hands and the stadium has developed dramatically within its allowable footprint .

I agree on all other points that he put the people in place and set the direction of the club, but with the cemetery, air traffic considerations, the council and CPO concerns it would always have been a difficult ask for him to complete a rebuild. When planning permission was granted he did put together some pretty ambitious plans for the redevelopment which got stymied by his ban from coming to England. 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

But finished the sentence by saying it was his decision. That decision was largely taken out of his hands and the stadium has developed dramatically within its allowable footprint .

I agree on all other points that he put the people in place and set the direction of the club, but with the cemetery, air traffic considerations, the council and CPO concerns it would always have been a difficult ask for him to complete a rebuild. When planning permission was granted he did put together some pretty ambitious plans for the redevelopment which got stymied by his ban from coming to England. 

If i'm not mistaken it was Abramovich who withdrew his visa-application. There was a delay to the renewal process because of what happened back then but what exactly made him withdraw the application I don't know.

The official reason for the stadium being scrapped was "unfavourable investment climate".

4 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of a stadium then - £1.2bn in debt for a measly £40m extra per year

At some stage we need to get a new stadium. Because that gap increases every year and has knock on effects in all other commercial revenue. 

If Tottenham didn't get a new stadium, then they are only a couple of bad transfer decisions away from drifting into mid table and then relegation. This stadium protects them from that. 

19 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

If i'm not mistaken it was Abramovich who withdrew his visa-application. There was a delay to the renewal process because of what happened back then but what exactly made him withdraw the application I don't know.

The official reason for the stadium being scrapped was "unfavourable investment climate".

If we're serious it was because Roman was being scapegoated and thought what's the point spending 1,2B on something he has no access to and may be taken off him.

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

If i'm not mistaken it was Abramovich who withdrew his visa-application. There was a delay to the renewal process because of what happened back then but what exactly made him withdraw the application I don't know.

The official reason for the stadium being scrapped was "unfavourable investment climate".

True, but I think the timing of events have to also be taken into account to gauge what "may" have happened.

Again this is from memory, but i think RA's UK visa expired in 2018. Due to the Salisbury poisonings teh UK Government were becoming much tougher and slower in processing UK visa applications for Russian nationals. More due diligence was being called and there were questions around the depth of information, particularly pertaining to the origin of personal wealth, that were beign called out in some areas. As there was the possibility of this affecting RA's fit and proper standing for club ownership he appeared to skirt the issue by withdrawing his application and opting for Israeli citizenship.

Meanwhile he had previsouly unveiled a massive redevelopment plan of Stamford Bridge and after many attempts over previsious years the club had gained local authority planning permission. During the issues around his vis application and the UK /Russian tensions the development plans were put on hold and eventually shelved, citing, as you have said an unfavourable investiment climate, although what effect a £1bn investment in one of the most affluent parts of the country for real estate, woudl have on a guy rumoured at teh tiem to have a net worth in excess of £10Bn in unclear.

Ultimately we know what happened with Russia and the Roman relationship all turned to sh*t.

Everything you have said in bang on, in the cold light of day, but what happens a lot, particularly in the press, is that the landscape and atmosphere of the time is often overlooked. Yes he made these decisions, why wouldn't he, he is a billionaire businessman and wouldn't accept being cuckolded by the UK Government. All water under the bridge now anyway as i think the planning permission has probably run out now or is soon to run out, so TB will be back to square one, presumably.

On 27/01/2023 at 22:10, bisright1 said:

At some stage we need to get a new stadium. Because that gap increases every year and has knock on effects in all other commercial revenue. 

If Tottenham didn't get a new stadium, then they are only a couple of bad transfer decisions away from drifting into mid table and then relegation. This stadium protects them from that. 

It doesn't, they're nearly £2bn in debt and have appalling revenue even with the stadium. They have twice the debt of Barcelona with a fraction of the revenue to service it. They're running on fumes from their 'success' under Pochettino and have basically another 5 years before they risk implosion.

 

Man City generate more revenue than Real Madrid? 🤣

On 10/02/2023 at 12:17, Jezz said:

Man City generate more revenue than Real Madrid? 🤣

Hilarious, as soon as those numbers came out I think everyone knew something dodgy was going on