So since we got rid of Tuchel, we’ve had many lads in charge. All have at some point been classed as not good enough or even worse.

When does it start to become a player issue or recruitment issue ? This is less about any manager and more about how we are currently run.

Reality check, since Tuchel we’ve been sh*te, but we wanted him gone and we got Potter the he was the devil get rid of him. Then Lampard comes in and it’s well I’d take Potter over Lamps…ffs some of ye want your heads examined.

I’m angry I’m f**ked off, but this is not a manager issue. If we want to compete back at the top table no manager fixes this. That is all I’m saying.

Just now, Jangz said:

The worst part is we could have addressed it in Jan too.. it was clear we don’t have a defence or a left wing.. how did we end up with Garnacho and Gittens FfS ok the left wing is beyond me..and then not to sign a CB in Jan cause we had Sarr on loan.. classic

To put this in perspective: we lost the one good CB we had and did next to nothing about it.

We have no idea how fit Colwill will be next season; every player comes back from that injury in his own way and at his own pace.

Edited March 21Mar 21 by acaeus

I expect this will be lost in the (to be fair justified) deluge of misery but I thought Hato did a decent job tonight.

I can’t do anymore tonight, glass of wine and a movie. Need to pretend I’m not a Chelsea fan for a bit. Thank god for international break. Night all.

KTBFFH

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

None because BlueCo doesn't understand how to build a winning footballing structure/system

So (not necessarily you) saying sack him helps ? That’s all I’m saying

Just now, Carloseyebrow said:

So (not necessarily you) saying sack him helps ? That’s all I’m saying

Does it even matter (whether we want him sacked or not)?
the question is whether his tactics work at this level -- no one knows given that he never coached at this level; and whether the players buy into his ideas. If the players do not run for him, well then that's it.

Edited March 21Mar 21 by acaeus

Sacking Managers is never a great look in quick succession but we need to bare in mind that neither Potter, Maresca or Rosenoir have a CV anything like good enough to have the Job as Chelsea Manager I'm not sure they have the CV to be number two here.

We all know the owners are giving whoever manages the squad a tough task but a proper manager would get much more out of them than this.

Maresca on occasion had them playing well but unless every sub he made was arranged by someone above him (which if it was, he should have walked earlier) then his inexperienced at this level cost us.

This bloke for me is a step down from Maresca and with a young team I just don't think they can scrimp on manager quality.

I hear the "what elite manager would want the job with this model" but if not an elite manager at least somebody with a bit of Chelsea in him, I'd love to see Fabregas here but again that's risky, I'd back him a lot easier than the lot that have lucked in here lately.

Frank would at least make me feel like he wanted the boys to win and he had a tougher job when he was here than this.

Coming in to manage a team with our history and standing sitting 4th in the league, still in the CL, in the FA Cup, and in the semis of the Carabao is unimaginable for a manager sacked by Hull.

Edited March 21Mar 21 by Chippy

6 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Exactly we should have kept Poch

6 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Exactly we should have kept Poch

6 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Exactly we should have kept Poch

To be fair I don’t think Poch wanted to stay either.

3 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So since we got rid of Tuchel, we’ve had many lads in charge. All have at some point been classed as not good enough or even worse.

When does it start to become a player issue or recruitment issue ? This is less about any manager and more about how we are currently run.

Reality check, since Tuchel we’ve been sh*te, but we wanted him gone and we got Potter the he was the devil get rid of him. Then Lampard comes in and it’s well I’d take Potter over Lamps…ffs some of ye want your heads examined.

I’m angry I’m f**ked off, but this is not a manager issue. If we want to compete back at the top table no manager fixes this. That is all I’m saying.

the players are no longer playing for the manager, theyve downed tools, lost motivation, lost desire etc etc - hes gone, they all go when they reach this threshold nothing can save him. Theres no way back.

What an embarrassment. I know we would lose before the game but to see the lack off effort and fight was inexcusable. Everyone should hold their heads in shame. Palmer also is worrying me. I am not sure where is best position is and there are many games this season now where he just looks ordinary. For a player of his quality, you should be expecting him to rip fear into the opposition. He makes the odd nice pass but his guile, ability to beat a man has just disappeared. Our fixtures are not good. I think even Newcastle may finish above us at this rate. Shambolic. Every fan that attended that game deserves a refund.

2 minutes ago, acaeus said:

Does it matter (whether we want him sacked or not)?
the question is whether his tactics work at this level -- no one knows given that he never coached at this level; and whether the players buy into his ideas. If the players do not run for him, well then that's it.

So why did we get rid of Maresca if we are no better ? Or Pochettino or Potter or Lampard

1 minute ago, OTL said:

the players are no longer playing for the manager, theyve downed tools, lost motivation, lost desire etc etc - hes gone, they all go when they reach this threshold nothing can save him. Theres no way back.

Your opinion not mine

48 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

These players have absolutely no respect for the club or fans to completely down tools like this. Lomba is one of the worst footballers I’ve ever seen wear a Chelsea shirt. I have fell out of love with the sport, bunch of overpaid babies. I hope the club finishes outside of of Europe and these players have to rot for another year.

Just catching up with the posts, who the heck is Lomba ??

Can’t see another win in the Premier League, looking at the fixtures, and we play Forest/Spurs at a time when they’ll be desperate for points.

Wouldn’t miss any of these players, not one of them. Rosenior is a marginal downgrade, who only knows how to talk the talk, without the substance to back it up, he’s ‘playing’ a manager, wearing the costume. The replacement is another yes man, the new arrivals will be poorly scouted, agency favours, based on fugazi data. It was over a long time ago, the mess cannot be cleaned up.

How’s Gary O’Neil doing?

12 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So since we got rid of Tuchel, we’ve had many lads in charge. All have at some point been classed as not good enough or even worse.

When does it start to become a player issue or recruitment issue ? This is less about any manager and more about how we are currently run.

Reality check, since Tuchel we’ve been sh*te, but we wanted him gone and we got Potter the he was the devil get rid of him. Then Lampard comes in and it’s well I’d take Potter over Lamps…ffs some of ye want your heads examined.

I’m angry I’m f**ked off, but this is not a manager issue. If we want to compete back at the top table no manager fixes this. That is all I’m saying.

12 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So since we got rid of Tuchel, we’ve had many lads in charge. All have at some point been classed as not good enough or even worse.

When does it start to become a player issue or recruitment issue ? This is less about any manager and more about how we are currently run.

Reality check, since Tuchel we’ve been sh*te, but we wanted him gone and we got Potter the he was the devil get rid of him. Then Lampard comes in and it’s well I’d take Potter over Lamps…ffs some of ye want your heads examined.

I’m angry I’m f**ked off, but this is not a manager issue. If we want to compete back at the top table no manager fixes this. That is all I’m saying.

12 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So since we got rid of Tuchel, we’ve had many lads in charge. All have at some point been classed as not good enough or even worse.

When does it start to become a player issue or recruitment issue ? This is less about any manager and more about how we are currently run.

Reality check, since Tuchel we’ve been sh*te, but we wanted him gone and we got Potter the he was the devil get rid of him. Then Lampard comes in and it’s well I’d take Potter over Lamps…ffs some of ye want your heads examined.

I’m angry I’m f**ked off, but this is not a manager issue. If we want to compete back at the top table no manager fixes this. That is all I’m saying.

I know a lot of people didn’t like him because of his past connection to spurs but I feel like Poch actually had something going not to mention he was the one that brought the best out of Palmer. We really should have stuck it out for him.

6 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So why did we get rid of Maresca if we are no better ? Or Pochettino or Potter or Lampard

Maresca went because he played politics. Wanted a better contract, spread the word that City wanted him post-Pep as a bargaining tool. He challenged the system. End of.

35 minutes ago, OTL said:

All of this nonsense will be forgotten when we put Port vale to the sword on penalties👊

I wouldn't even bet on that now

3 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So why did we get rid of Maresca if we are no better ? Or Pochettino or Potter or Lampard

Why? For the same reason that we have 19-21yo kids sitting on the bench; for the same reason that we have prob the worst set of CBs among the top5 clubs in the PL. Same reason someone saw something in Delap that was remotely elite (I never did btw). Same reason we have Sanchez in goal for years now. We could go on forever here...

Point being that the club being inapt, and the current manager being inapt are not mutually exclusive ideas.
Past mistakes do not make Rosenior the right manager to develop very expensive and promising young players like Estevao, for ex.

For the record, I thought Potter and Lampard were not very good signings. Wouldn't have sacked Poch, wouldn't have sacked Maresca either as I thought he was doing a decent job. Rosenior looks to be completely out of his depth and does not seem to have the trust of the players given his inexperience at this level. It does not matter what we want, but clubs tend to go for the easy solution which is to replace one/couple individuals vs many.

Edited March 21Mar 21 by acaeus

Just now, Carloseyebrow said:

So (not necessarily you) saying sack him helps ? That’s all I’m saying

Because the manager has lost the players and the players look like they don't care about the project.

It's really nothing new, all of us would just cash in paychecks and look for other jobs when the bosses are incompetent regardless of how well-paid we are especially when upward progression has stalled.

14 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

So why did we get rid of Maresca if we are no better ? Or Pochettino or Potter or Lampard

Maresca resigned. He wasn't sacked

3 minutes ago, dermott said:

Maresca went because he played politics. Wanted a better contract, spread the word that City wanted him post-Pep as a bargaining tool. He challenged the system. End of.

Fair enough, doesn’t explain the previous lads. All I’m trying to say is changing managers hasn’t been to successful recently for us.

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

Because the manager has lost the players and the players look like they don't care about the project.

It's really nothing new, all of us would just cash in paychecks and look for other jobs when the bosses are incompetent regardless of how well-paid we are especially when upward progression has stalled.

Explain Maresca, Pochettino, Potter, Lampard , Tuchel sackings

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

Maresca resigned. He wasn't sacked

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