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Chelsea back in for Van Der Wiel


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Only 4 days of the transfer window left... will be interesting to see what happens with the VdW transfer, although I have to say I'm perfectly happy with Ivanovic at right back and would prefer if we bought some young, promising, inexpensive (basically, it'd be nice to find a right sided version of the Gareth Bale that joined Tottenham!) as backup.

Otherwise assuming we sign this guy for a hefty fee, he'll be a regular starter, meaning Ivanovic will be fighting it out with Luiz, Cahill and Terry for a CB start.

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Both are of questionable ability in my book. They are really no better defenders than Bosingwa is.

We should have learned our lesson for pursuing mediocre options at right back and stump out and go for one of the best. If we're really trying to put together a championship winning team before Ash and JT are gone, then Srna or Maicon are really the only options.

Both would cost no more than the arm and a leg that Ajax want for VDW.

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I always think of Bertrand when I see this thread and think why is he not playing. Ash is great but as I've said before right and left back positions are not that crucial in football, not as important as CB. He'd do just fine.

Not sure if VDW would play that much either. He'd be a younger version of Bossy. Ivan is the defensive option and then we'd have two attacking options...We'd need a sure starter there. Is VDW that good?

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30 yr old right backs who are quality for 4 years are a better option than 20 yr old right backs who are overpriced and not an improvement from the start.

Honestly Im getting the feeling that people think if you're beyond 25 then you're too old. A good team requires the best players. If your good enough you're old enough works both ways.

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Fullbacks need pace. 30 year old men are slowing down. It's a sad fact of life that the first thing to go are the legs. There's no future in buying a 30 year old for a position that demands a fast runner. Well, maybe in Italy. But not in England.

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Fullbacks need pace. 30 year old men are slowing down. It's a sad fact of life that the first thing to go are the legs. There's no future in buying a 30 year old for a position that demands a fast runner. Well, maybe in Italy. But not in England.

That a rather weeping generalisation isnt it, all 30 year olds down slow down at all. Plus, the experience of a 30 year old can usually negate the slowing down anyway.

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That a rather weeping generalisation isnt it, all 30 year olds down slow down at all. Plus, the experience of a 30 year old can usually negate the slowing down anyway.

It's almost always true. The legs start going at around 30. Some players later than others, of course. But that's when the physical decline begins. (Ryan Giggs is a remarkable exception. He still has acceleration.)

Yes, a fullback can survive on guile and experience. But now you're compromising. And why compromise when you're planning for the future?

To reiterate, Chelsea are rebuilding. You don't buy 30 year olds when you're rebuilding. You buy them when you need one player to put you over the top. It just doesn't make sense to bring an aging player into Chelsea's situation.

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No it isnt true at all, Lampard was still one of the fittest players around at 30, Zola didnt do badly, Ash Cole isnt slow etc.....

The reason Lampard isn't the player he once was is because he's significantly slower than he used to be. His speed was never an asset, but now it's a liability. It was shocking to see how much slower he was after coming back from his series of injuries last season. I'd hoped he'd be a bit quicker after a full off-season, but unfortunately that hasn't happened.

You'll find no shortage of people on this site who believe that Ashley Cole has lost a step and is less effective this season.

The point is that these are men nearer the end of the careers than the beginning. When you're rebuilding your team, that's not the kind of player you bring onboard. You find players who have a long future ahead of them.

Surely that's self evident?

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Im not arguing that point, of course bringing in younger players is the right way to go. But that doesnt mean we should bin anyone over 30. And Lampard has slowed this season, but at 30/31 he was no slower than he ever was, Cole is the same, Zola never slowed, Dessaily never slowed at 30 etc. ITs just plain wrong to say all 30 year olds slow down.

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Fair enough Spiller, although I do agree with you regarding Srna. I wish we would have made a move for him instead of Zhirkov a couple years ago. Versatile player, great leader (Shaktar and Croatia captain), and a dead ball specialist.

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Pace is something i don't count as key in fullbacks. Endurance yes but pace no, not the way we play. Only reason you'd need pace is if you get caught out of position on the counter, something that doesn't happen do much to these two.

The key asset really is being able to deliver a pinpoint cross after the ball shuffles out that way. Bosingwa is speedy no doubt but his final product is awful.

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Im not arguing that point, of course bringing in younger players is the right way to go. But that doesnt mean we should bin anyone over 30. And Lampard has slowed this season, but at 30/31 he was no slower than he ever was, Cole is the same, Zola never slowed, Dessaily never slowed at 30 etc. ITs just plain wrong to say all 30 year olds slow down.

I'm not talking about binning players, dkw.

I'm talking about not buying aging players.

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