2 minutes ago, coco said:

Top of the Premier league not considered the top anymore ?

As a player? Top of the premier league involves managers, coaches, board and a squad of over 20 players. As a player Hazard doesn't look interested in some games and that's what I mean by drive to be the best.

22 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Very true, that's fair enough. I can also see why some people say he isn't world class though. I saw Cundy say the same thing on Arsenal fan tv.

I definitely agree with Cundy, Hazard has the potential to be world class but he isnt there. He has moments that show that but I think he still lacks a consistency to his game. I've said it for a long time that I don't think he'll reach those levels consistently but I'd love to be wrong.

10 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

As a player? Top of the premier league involves managers, coaches, board and a squad of over 20 players. As a player Hazard doesn't look interested in some games and that's what I mean by drive to be the best.

Ok you cannot credit him solely for the team being top of the league, but you can't accuse him of not looking interested when the team is not playing well on the day. Of course he is interested, it's absolutely mind blowing if you think he just wanders around not giving a toss from one match to another.

It's his own fault that we have some fans like yourself, you cannot expect him to turn it on every game, it just doesn't happen, even the best of the best don't, you only think hey do because you don't watch every second of every game they play.

3 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I definitely agree with Cundy, Hazard has the potential to be world class but he isnt there. He has moments that show that but I think he still lacks a consistency to his game. I've said it for a long time that I don't think he'll reach those levels consistently but I'd love to be wrong.

If you don't have Hazard down as World class, apart from Messi and Ronaldo, who is currently World class ?

15 minutes ago, coco said:

Ok you cannot credit him solely for the team being top of the league, but you can't accuse him of not looking interested when the team is not playing well on the day. Of course he is interested, it's absolutely mind blowing if you think he just wanders around not giving a toss from one match to another.

It's his own fault that we have some fans like yourself, you cannot expect him to turn it on every game, it just doesn't happen, even the best of the best don't, you only think hey do because you don't watch every second of every game they play.

No player will turn it on every game. Let's just use Ronaldo and Messi as examples they hardly ever not turn it on. Hazard for me has just as much chance to turn it on than turn it off in my opinion, you never know who is going to turn up.

I look at a player like Robben and would say he has been much better than Hazard has but Hazard has a while to go yet in his career.

17 minutes ago, coco said:

If you don't have Hazard down as World class, apart from Messi and Ronaldo, who is currently World class ?

For me Courtois, Neuer, De Gea and Buffon are world class keepers. Defender's like Ramos, Hummels, Alba and a few more. Iniesta, Busquets, Kroos. Just off the top of my head really.

9 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

For me Courtois,

What makes Courtois more World class than Eden ? 

5 minutes ago, coco said:

What makes Courtois more World class than Eden ? 

Well I'm comparing them more to there positions. I rank Courtois probably the second best gk in the world. His the best all round gk in the prem easy. Top draw before he joined chelsea. Top draw since he has arrived. 

Courtois can be out the game the majority of the time and still pulls of world class saves. Reminds me a lot like cech at his best and he was world class.

6 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

His the best all round gk in the prem easy.

Who is better then Eden in the Prem in the attacking midfield position ? If you can't name one Eden must be World class as no AM in this league comes close to him.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

Who is better then Eden in the Prem in the attacking midfield position ? If you can't name one Eden must be World class as no AM in this league comes close to him.

That's not true, if I did name Hazard the best AM in the league it doesn't mean he automatically becomes world class. I named  Courtois the second best in world football. Thats different.

Alli, Firminio, Lallana, Silva, KDB, Mane have all been on par with Hazard this season or other seasons before IMO. Ericsson is playing well again

Mahrez and Payer was better last season than Hazard. Would that make them world class? Problem is I think the standard of the prem is lower than other European teams.

I'm not someone who hands out the world class tag easy. World class on your day is very different to consistently world class.

Like I said I look back at even Robbens career and thats been better than what Hazard has achieved so far.

At the moment I regard KDB and Hazard as probably the best in the prem. Maybe even Alli aswell.

 

1 hour ago, coco said:

If you don't have Hazard down as World class, apart from Messi and Ronaldo, who is currently World class ?

Nicklas Bendtner.

Dele Alli is nowhere near as good as Hazard. He might score more goals than Hazard but christ the difference in talent is massive.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

That's not true, if I did name Hazard the best AM in the league it doesn't mean he automatically becomes world class. I named  Courtois the second best in world football. Thats different.

Alli, Firminio, Lallana, Silva, KDB, Mane have all been on par with Hazard this season or other seasons before IMO. Ericsson is playing well again

Mahrez and Payer was better last season than Hazard. Would that make them world class? Problem is I think the standard of the prem is lower than other European teams.

I'm not someone who hands out the world class tag easy. World class on your day is very different to consistently world class.

Like I said I look back at even Robbens career and thats been better than what Hazard has achieved so far.

At the moment I regard KDB and Hazard as probably the best in the prem. Maybe even Alli aswell.

 

The fact that you even compared them^ tells me you are seriously trolling or maybe pissed.

Only KDB comes close on that list but KDB doesn't have Hazard speed and dribbling ability. KDB is quality but Hazard just has that xfactor that something special than not many players have.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

That's not true, if I did name Hazard the best AM in the league it doesn't mean he automatically becomes world class. I named  Courtois the second best in world football. Thats different.

Alli, Firminio, Lallana, Silva, KDB, Mane have all been on par with Hazard this season or other seasons before IMO. Ericsson is playing well again

Mahrez and Payer was better last season than Hazard. Would that make them world class? Problem is I think the standard of the prem is lower than other European teams.

I'm not someone who hands out the world class tag easy. World class on your day is very different to consistently world class.

Like I said I look back at even Robbens career and thats been better than what Hazard has achieved so far.

At the moment I regard KDB and Hazard as probably the best in the prem. Maybe even Alli aswell.

 

Alli has been excellent this season but he still is not on the same level of likes of Hazard, Alexis and KDB etc. He still has a way to go but he will get there but would not say he is the best in the prem. I would have the likes of Hazard, KDB, Sanchez etc on a higher level.

53 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Dele Alli is nowhere near as good as Hazard. He might score more goals than Hazard but christ the difference in talent is massive.

 

 

Talent doesn't automatically make a player world class.  On form this season Alli has been just as good as Hazard.

Do it on ability and world class players will be judged at 17 or q8.

3 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Like I have read many times world class on his day but not a world class player. Hasn't been consistent for a long time which world class players are. Also read people say he hasn't doesn't have the drive to push himself to the top which I do agree with. I don't blame him for it because there's all sorts of people in different jobs who don't push themselves.

Of course a very talented player but it was quite obvious he had no interest against wolves. 

If you're judging his consisentcy in comparision to Messi or his performance against Arsenal then you are right.

In general, very much not, inconsistent is Joe Cole and Willian, a player creating numerous inroads 95% of the time is anything but.

Ronaldo and Messi have ruined mindsets, soon fullbacks will be getting judged on goals.

28 minutes ago, STATS said:

Alli has been excellent this season but he still is not on the same level of likes of Hazard, Alexis and KDB etc. He still has a way to go but he will get there but would not say he is the best in the prem. I would have the likes of Hazard, KDB, Sanchez etc on a higher level.

My point was more going towards those players have been on par playing wise. No one has the quality of Hazard but because he has more quality it doesn't mean his automatically world class. You need more than ability to be World class.

Mane has had a better season than Hazard and the others I mentioned are around the same level performance wise for me. Silva hasn't been great but has had good seasons before. Mahrez and Payet was probably double the player Hazard was last year does that make them world class? 

I just don't think Hazard is consistent enough to be regarded world class, doesn't make him a bad footballer. I don't rate any of those players as World class by the way.

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

No player will turn it on every game. Let's just use Ronaldo and Messi as examples they hardly ever not turn it on. Hazard for me has just as much chance to turn it on than turn it off in my opinion, you never know who is going to turn up.

I look at a player like Robben and would say he has been much better than Hazard has but Hazard has a while to go yet in his career.

Robben had loads of average games for us and his goal record was just under two games worse off than Eden for us yet I can't remember anyone saying he was inconsistent and not doing enough.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Robben had loads of average games for us and his goal record was just under two games worse off than Eden for us yet I can't remember anyone saying he was inconsistent and not doing enough.

Robben was very good for Chelsea. Injured too much to really judge his Chelsea career. I was talking about his whole career. He went to Madrid and won trophies. Has been at Bayern for ages and consistently won trophies. That's a level I don't think Hazard would reach IMO, would love to be proven wrong.

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

If you're judging his consisentcy in comparision to Messi or his performance against Arsenal then you are right.

In general, very much not, inconsistent is Joe Cole and Willian, a player creating numerous inroads 95% of the time is anything but.

Ronaldo and Messi have ruined mindsets, soon fullbacks will be getting judged on goals.

IMO Hazard is a inconsistent player. I would even say so this season. To me he don't look interested sometimes. Willian is just consistently bad.

1 hour ago, coco said:

The fact that you even compared them^ tells me you are seriously trolling or maybe pissed.

I said Ericsson is playing well again, he obviously doesn't have the same ability of Hazard.

2 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Robben was very good for Chelsea. Injured too much to really judge his Chelsea career. I was talking about his whole career. He went to Madrid and won trophies. Has been at Bayern for ages and consistently won trophies. That's a level I don't think Hazard would reach IMO, would love to be proven wrong.

Hasn't he already reached it? He is likely to be on 4 trophies in 5 years this summer and maybe even 5 in 5.

Unless you were a United player under Fegie, Milan in 90s or Barca last ten years I don't think there is a significantly better trophy ratio than that.

I feel sorry for you Ernie, you can't see the beauty i can see.

I bet if you asked Conte if Eden Hazard was World class or not, he would just laugh at you for asking such a dumbass question.