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I guess it will be time to 'opt-in' then!

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Tough one. Although you can see the morale argument for this the Internet itself isn't "owned" by any nation in particular which makes it a unique thing to Police.

You now have to tell your provider you don't want parental controls because you want to do the five knuckle shuffle, not sure that's right personally.

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It's not difficult to put filters on a child's computer, not that i'd give a young child their own private computer with internet access anyway.

 

So either they've done this for another reason or it's a load of bullsh*t.

 

Fortunately I live in Australia so I won't have to call someone up from my service provider if i've come back from the bar with blue balls.

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Tough one. Although you can see the morale argument for this the Internet itself isn't "owned" by any nation in particular which makes it a unique thing to Police.

You now have to tell your provider you don't want parental controls because you want to do the five knuckle shuffle, not sure that's right personally.

 

 

If "five knuckle shuffle" means what I think it means, can't you just use your imagination?  Do you actually have to have a picture in front of you?

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If "five knuckle shuffle" means what I think it means, can't you just use your imagination? Do you actually have to have a picture in front of you?

Surprising as it may be I don't actually access porn online myself but I respect the right of those who choose to do so and I don't believe we should be flagging up our interests to our ISP's telling them specifically what we intend to use the Internet for once we have signed up to them.

Just strikes me as an invasion of privacy, which can be rather off putting given the subject "at hand".

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Surprising as it may be I don't actually access porn online myself but I respect the right of those who choose to do so and I don't believe we should be flagging up our interests to our ISP's telling them specifically what we intend to use the Internet for once we have signed up to them.

Just strikes me as an invasion of privacy, which can be rather off putting given the subject "at hand".

 

 

Oh totally with you there. We're really getting into Big Brother territory with that!  What I do in my private little world is none of their business - as long as certain activities are not available i.e. rape scenes, child porn and any other "tastes" which harm those involved in making the films or photos.

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I think there is also a line of what is 'adult' and what isn't! Any child can go into a newsagents and legally buy 'The Sun' and Cameron is trying to protect children's innocence online?

 

To start to govern the internet by doing things like this, he also needs to address adult content on a larger scale offline.

 

Youtube can be accessed by anyone and some content on there is quite suggestive as well as not filtering swearing.

 

I think this will just be the start of governing the internet and more countries (and more content) will follow on.

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Why not opt out, rather than just blocking it for everyone? Wouldn't that be more practical for parents? I think its a bit unfair to make people contact their ISP to ask for adult control...

What happens when you 'opt in'? Presumably your name goes on a list and your details get stored in the 'dirty bar steward database' for further analysing?

This solves absolutely nothing, but I think this is merely a trojan horse, a lazy transparent excuse.....which in time will lead to the main objective that is censorship of anything the government doesn't like.

Welcome to China.

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Not surprised to see who is taking the credit for this. Their hypocrisy amazes me with all the sexual imagery they plaster all over their website (just check out the right hand column).

 

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Maybe Mr Cameron should make it opt-in for Daily Mail readers only and leave the rest of the population to enjoy their privacy.

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f**k 'em, I'll just use my internet skillz to circumnavigate it anyway. I live at home with my parents so I can hardly ask them to contact the ISP and ask if I can pl0x have my pornz bak.

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f**k 'em, I'll just use my internet skillz to circumnavigate it anyway. I live at home with my parents so I can hardly ask them to contact the ISP and ask if I can pl0x have my pornz bak.

I think you have a point there; it shouldn't take anybody who knows how to use a search engine more than 10 minutes to find a way around any ISP block. It will be a completely futile effort but I still find it objectionable on principle.

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It won't do a damn thing. There seem to be 2 elements to this:

 

1. Blocking children from viewing porn - This is easily circumvented and downloaded, either on computer or smartphone, etc... if they really want to view it. And I'm sure they will all tell their friends how to get around it.

 

2. Blocking child porn from search engines - It's not in search engines. Cameron seems to think that if you type "child porn" into Google you get a load of explicit images. You do not. You'd be hard pressed to find 1. It's all on these "invisible networks" which are cut off from the public internet and thus can't be found by search engines. Only way to take them out is to physically destroy the networks. But there will just be 2 more in its place afterwards.

 

 

The only thing that will come out of this opt-in scheme is yet more information the government have on us in some insecure database. Why the hell should a grown man have to inform the government if he wants to look at naked women on his computer? I swear to God we're drifting closer and closer to a 1984 world and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

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It won't do a damn thing. There seem to be 2 elements to this:

 

1. Blocking children from viewing porn - This is easily circumvented and downloaded, either on computer or smartphone, etc... if they really want to view it. And I'm sure they will all tell their friends how to get around it.

 

2. Blocking child porn from search engines - It's not in search engines. Cameron seems to think that if you type "child porn" into Google you get a load of explicit images. You do not. You'd be hard pressed to find 1. It's all on these "invisible networks" which are cut off from the public internet and thus can't be found by search engines. Only way to take them out is to physically destroy the networks. But there will just be 2 more in its place afterwards.

 

 

The only thing that will come out of this opt-in scheme is yet more information the government have on us in some insecure database. Why the hell should a grown man have to inform the government if he wants to look at naked women on his computer? I swear to God we're drifting closer and closer to a 1984 world and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

 

The PRISM is dead, long live the PRISM! ;)

 

This is my favourite quote from the article:

 

 

He also warned he could have to "force action" by changing the law and that, if there were "technical obstacles", firms should use their "greatest brains" to overcome them.

 

 

They really don't get how the internet works, do they?

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Surprising as it may be I don't actually access porn online myself but I respect the right of those who choose to do so and I don't believe we should be flagging up our interests to our ISP's telling them specifically what we intend to use the Internet for once we have signed up to them.

Just strikes me as an invasion of privacy, which can be rather off putting given the subject "at hand".

I'm much the same. I don't like porn, it's not my thing, but I really don't see why it should be blocked. There is a petition already set-up to battle this, and I have signed it. For anybody that is considering doing the same it can be found here.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746

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Isn't this against the freedom of information?

 

I'm sure chinless Dave and friends have some long winded wordy way of saying it isn't. 

 

It's all very well them going on this moral crusade against the internet but honestly, I think there are much better ways to go about this.

 

Rather than just blanket banning "adult" content when you subscribe to an ISP why not make part of the subscription process asking the customer if they want this content made available?

 

Put the onus on the people supplying rather than criminalising the general public. 

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I'm sure chinless Dave and friends have some long winded wordy way of saying it isn't. 

 

It's all very well them going on this moral crusade against the internet but honestly, I think there are much better ways to go about this.

 

Rather than just blanket banning "adult" content when you subscribe to an ISP why not make part of the subscription process asking the customer if they want this content made available?

 

Put the onus on the people supplying rather than criminalising the general public. 

 

 

But why should I have to answer questions about my Internet requirements?  Will there be an option for me to say "Yes, I want it, but you do understand it's not for me, it;'s in case Valerie ever comes to stay with me, because I know she will want access to it?"

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But why should I have to answer questions about my Internet requirements?  Will there be an option for me to say "Yes, I want it, but you do understand it's not for me, it;'s in case Valerie ever comes to stay with me, because I know she will want access to it?"

 

From the top of my head the ISP as part of the registration process could include a question along the lines of.

 

"Your internet will be unable to access content deemed unsuitable for children. Would you like this restriction to remain in place or would you like to remove the restriction?" 

 

Not invasive but the option is there to automatically implement parental controls should you wish but also worded in a way where the reasoning for possibly wanting to restrict your content access is explained. 

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"Your internet will be unable to access content deemed unsuitable for children. Would you like this restriction to remain in place or would you like to remove the restriction?" 

 

Condense it to : Are you a responsible parent or someone who thinks everything else must be catered to for your precious little child.

 

It's not hard for a parent to restrict what their children can access.

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Condense it to : Are you a responsible parent or someone who thinks everything else must be catered to for your precious little child.

 

It's not hard for a parent to restrict what their children can access.

 

I think the restriction is completely unnecessary full stop. 

 

However if chinless Dave insists on pushing this through for whatever reason then it should be on the ISP provider to ask if you want it in place rather than us, the consumers to say we don't want it. 

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But why should I have to answer questions about my Internet requirements? Will there be an option for me to say "Yes, I want it, but you do understand it's not for me, it;'s in case Valerie ever comes to stay with me, because I know she will want access to it?"

Exactly, porn is a social human right ;-)

Cue the posts about it demeaning women, children and sheep...

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