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Don't under estimate the value of Barkley, Lukaku, Courtios and Shaw


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It was great to see the U21's follow the Youths to glory at Old Trafford.

 

There was no doubting the quality of Baker, Christensen and Loftus Cheek. All three can expect to be involved in the first team squad like Ake and Kalas next season. I would also give a big shout to our keeper Blackman who for me should be our third choice next season.

 

However when you see Shaw going to the World Cup at 18, Barkley at 20, Courtois at 22 and Lukaku at 21 you cannot but think all four would be better suited to the Chelsea cause.

 

For me, letting United a free run at Shaw, a Chelsea fan at heart, when it is clear Ashley Cole is coming toward the end of his Chelsea career is frigtening to say the least. At 21 this kid will be a worldbeater he is that good.

 

As for Barkley he is the biggest talent this country has produced since the likes of Gazza and Rooney. He can be classed in the Duncan Edwards mould in my opinion and we have a good relationship with Everton. We have young Thorgan Hazard who could go there on loan, Victor Moses on a permanent deal or Piazon for premiership experience. He would be an ideal partner for Matic in midfield and would boost our homegrown pool.

 

As for Courtios he is simply the best goalkeeper in the world - and Lukaku the best young striker on the planet.

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If we get Rodriguez or Moreno instead of Shaw, I won't mind.  Paying £30 mil for an 18 year old left back is a bit crazy. Yes he is going to be a class player and cover the position for over 10 years but there is better value in the market.

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Im all for this. I think realistically we can afford them, we have a very strong first team as is apart form the strike force we dont need ready made top quality players. A few players with the potential to go all the way, in the right position is exactly what we need. Costa, Shaw and Barkley would suit us down to a T.

 

Barkley and Shaw would be high cost but considering both wouldnt NEED to hit the ground running and the amount of players I believe we are looking to offload, We would end up with a very balanced squad. They are expensive, Shaw especially but an 18 year old who has England caps, will have world cup experience and 60 PL starts, is a Chelsea fan, Homegrown, Quality... Need I say more? He'll be a bargain over time, I would fight Utd all day for him if needs be as I think if he goes there in 3-5 years time we will regret it massively.

 

All in all our outlay would be £90 Mil for those but as Star says, we have make weights for Everton in Moses who has worked for Martinez, Ba who they've been linked with, Southampton could concievably include a Bertrand swap. We have enough decent quality, untested young players who could really shine for clubs 5-10th in the league. Courtois and Lukaku are givens, I want them both in the first team next year, Courtois has nothing else to learn on loan and Lukaku has been missed so badly this year.

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30mil for Shaw is too much, but, aren't all english players overpriced these days? I think the fact that we could acquire an 18-year old ENGLISH left-back with world cup experience who has a soft spot for the club at a time when another english legend is in the latter end of his career, add the fact that we can take him from under the noses of United...... What is there to question, yes I want Shaw, and the same goes for Barkley aswell, they will both cost more than they're worth currently, but in the long term, they will be bargains.

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I agree entirely apart from the Duncan Edwards comparison (a one off that bloke) I think he is more like Rooney but far better. Got a hunch Everton and Southampton will wait to see if they shine in Brazil. Shaw in particular as you say at 18 with World Cup experience will improve beyond comprehension for next season let alone when he is 21 and the new Gareth Bale.

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I think if by the September 1 we have;

 

Bought: Costa, Barkley, Shaw + 1 Striker (£10-15mil, maybe Loic Remy, If we have to - keep Torres)

 

Sold/Released: Luiz, Moses, Ba, Torres, Mikel, Marin, Romeu, Bertrand, Etoo,

 

Bought into the first team: Lukaku, Courtois, Zouma, T Hazard

 

Resigned: Cole and Lampard

 

We will be a formidible team next year, balanced our squad out better, reduced the wage bill, future proofed key positions and kept influencial leaders in the dressing room. We could finish the season, once people have bed in, with a 1st XI looking like this,

 

           Courtois

Azpi, Cahill, Ivan, Shaw

      Matic, Barkley

Hazard, Oscar, Willian/Shurrle

      Costa/Lukaku

 

For only about a £50 mil outlay minus wages

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I think if by the September 1 we have;

 

Bought: Costa, Barkley, Shaw + 1 Striker (£10-15mil, maybe Loic Remy, If we have to - keep Torres)

 

Sold/Released: Luiz, Moses, Ba, Torres, Mikel, Marin, Romeu, Bertrand, Etoo,

 

Bought into the first team: Lukaku, Courtois, Zouma, T Hazard

 

Resigned: Cole and Lampard

 

We will be a formidible team next year, balanced our squad out better, reduced the wage bill, future proofed key positions and kept influencial leaders in the dressing room. We could finish the season, once people have bed in, with a 1st XI looking like this,

 

           Courtois

Azpi, Cahill, Ivan, Shaw

      Matic, Barkley

Hazard, Oscar, Willian/Shurrle

      Costa/Lukaku

 

For only about a £50 mil outlay minus wages

I strongly doubt we will get Shaw or Barkley. Shaw looks destined to go to Man Utd and Everton won't sell Barkley unless a massive offer comes in. Alternatively, we can get Rodriguez, Moreno or Felipe Luis for LB and another CM.

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That 25-30m bid from MU is just media speculation as far as I'm aware. There well might have been a bid or more likely an enquiry but I fail to see any reason to start with a bid that high, when more likely than not you'll end up haggling with the seller. Also Soton would be fools to entertain any bids before the WC is over (for Shaw and England).

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I strongly doubt we will get Shaw or Barkley. Shaw looks destined to go to Man Utd and Everton won't sell Barkley unless a massive offer comes in. Alternatively, we can get Rodriguez, Moreno or Felipe Luis for LB and another CM.

 

I doubt it too, but the phrase buy Cheap, buy twice fits this situation. Id prefer us to get the right players, which IMO these two are, rather than than spend less money getting the wrong players.

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I cannot believe fans are worried about Romam spending money on Shaw, it doesn't affect my life as I'm not paying it :) 30 million for Shaw, 36 million for Barkley, 32 Million for Costa. Is 98 million and if we recoup 32 for Luiz a net 66 million spent in the summer to last us 6 years before another buy another player ( Trusting Bamford or someone replaces Torres in a year or two as 3rd choice striker ) is only 11 million a year net, not forgetting we are already up on the Mata/De Bruyne/Matic deals.

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All we have to do is buy Barkley and Shaw for £30m each, bring back Lukaku and Courtois, and inject some of the youngsters as back up.

 

Courtois #1 Cech #2

 

Shaw replacing Cole, Azpil returns to RB.

 

Barkley next to Matic.

 

Christensen and Kalas supporting Cahill and JT.

 

Baker brought in to back up Oscar and Loftus-Cheek to replace Lampard..

 

Costa, Lukaku and Feruz up front.

 

£60m investment for the summer window.

 

What a squad that would be.

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All we have to do is buy Barkley and Shaw for £30m each, bring back Lukaku and Courtois, and inject some of the youngsters as back up.

Courtois #1 Cech #2

Shaw replacing Cole, Azpil returns to RB.

Barkley next to Matic.

Christensen and Kalas supporting Cahill and JT.

Baker brought in to back up Oscar and Loftus-Cheek to replace Lampard..

Costa, Lukaku and Feruz up front.

£60m investment for the summer window.

What a squad that would be.

With the TV money, CL and sales to a few players it's very doable

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That 25-30m bid from MU is just media speculation as far as I'm aware. There well might have been a bid or more likely an enquiry but I fail to see any reason to start with a bid that high, when more likely than not you'll end up haggling with the seller. Also Soton would be fools to entertain any bids before the WC is over (for Shaw and England).

 

I think Southampton would be fools not to entertain £25mil+ I seriously doubt his value could get much higher than that, even if he does have a good WC. He'll possibly be worth than but no-one would stump up the cash. Maybe thats what they want though.

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Right now Shaw is not a 30m player, and there are no guarantees he ever will be

 

Also, Shaw and Barkley arent the only teenagers who are going to the World Cup. Theres probably 50 more. So why arent we talking about the other 50? I think its probably because theyre not english.

 

'Wow, an 18 yr old being in the national squad for a powerhouse like England! He must be amazing!'

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Right now Shaw is not a 30m player, and there are no guarantees he ever will be

 

Also, Shaw and Barkley arent the only teenagers who are going to the World Cup. Theres probably 50 more. So why arent we talking about the other 50? I think its probably because theyre not english.

 

'Wow, an 18 yr old being in the national squad for a powerhouse like England! He must be amazing!'

 

this. I don't agree with the OP. 

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Barkley doesn't bother me that much but im still a little surprised (even though price is high) we we are not in for Shaw. We will probably end up buying Felipe Luis for like £20M and he is 28, Shaw only being 18 and English would be worth the extra £10M and because i think he is very good.

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I see the same people complaining that we don't give our youth products a chance, wanting to sign teenagers from other clubs for obscene amounts of money.

 

I think I fall into this catergory so ill state my position. I have no problem buying players, for any price, over youth. If there is a need and a player meets that need then cool. I have a problem with buying older players as backup.

 

I would prefer a younger player to get time over a back up older player. My thoughts are simple. The first 11-18 players should be the outright best you can get. After that you should have no one over 24 without (very good reason, Lampard for instance) They should either be at the standard you need to be the 11-18 or playing first team football somewhere else. Under that age has the potential to increse in value or ability, after that they are just stagnating. For me Barkley and Shaw would, by the end of 2014/15 be considered part of the 11-18 core first team. They are young but arent untested and unreliable.

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My issues with the club are the moment (from an irishman who has no love lost for the english) is the lack of English players, its very disheartening.

 

Its an English club, for years we were relied upon with Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole, JT, 4 of Englands starters in our 11. Now its 1. 

 

I reckon Chalobah can do the defensive work for this season, spending obscene amounts on Shaw and Barkley would restore some English pride, but act as barrier to our own products.

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