I don't understand why that sort of money is okay for a 29 year old yet £7 more for Shaw is seen to be stupid.  Shaw is the much better long term bet, there will either be a good resale value on Shaw or he could stay here for 10+ years we wouldn't get either of those on a 29 year old.

Its possible that Jose has identified the fact that we need a stop gap to allow a younger player (who may or may not already be on our books) to develop a bit more.

Ryan is good but he's not world class. 2nd choice left back quality definitely and considering the size of our club that's not an insult

Short term or long term 30+ million for Shaw is just stupid money. Yeah he may play for you for years but he isnt worth that amount of money. Saying "oh we should just pay another 7 million" is easy to say but its not that simple.

I don't understand why that sort of money is okay for a 29 year old yet £7 more for Shaw is seen to be stupid. Shaw is the much better long term bet, there will either be a good resale value on Shaw or he could stay here for 10+ years we wouldn't get either of those on a 29 year old.

Exactly.

And yes paying 7 million more is simple...how can it not be?

There is more than a 10 year age gap between and both are playing great football.

One gives us English homegrown option on top of being a Chelsea man to boot.

I know who I'd be trying to sign....

Do you have a spare 7 million to give Chelsea? With Chelsea trying to go along with FFP maybe paying over 30 million for a still some what unproven (at the top level) left back doesnt make sense.

I made the point yesterday that its all well and good having youngsters coming through but at the same time you need to have players who have been there and done that. You need to have players that can be leaders and drive the team forward.

Jose said himself that last season we lacked leaders. We have a team with a lot of youngsters who are still learning and improving. We need to have a number of players who are the ones teaching these youngsters.

Maybe the club feel Luis is a safer bet right now and dont want to sign an overpriced kid and hope he can make the massive step up.

Wouldn't be disappointed to see Felipe Luiz in the team next season, however I do think shaw would be worth the bigger fee.

I also don't think shaw will go for 30m in the end either. Probably 18-20 with performance based add ons taking it up to around 25m.

Hopefully umbrella Steve takes over at soton, as he has a very good relationship with jose which could potentially swing it our way.

Is his name in the hat to take over there?

Chelsea have the cash are you forgetting the £50 million from Luiz, the £10 million left over from Mata and De Bruyne....and that's not even taking into consideration the budget from the new season with ST, TV, CL, Sponsorship money....

The other thing is Luis would be on a far bigger wage than Shaw considering he's already on double what Shaw is currently according to the press.

I'd say it was a bigger risk bringing in a 29 year old with no previous expierence of playing in the EPL than brining in one of the top left bakcs in England for the past 2 seasons.

If we are going to blow £20 odd million on a left back Shaw ticks the more boxes. You can talk about expierence but what about the fact Shaw would run through walls for the club he loves?

On the balance of everything I can only see Shaw as the better option.

There is a lot of talk about how Shaw is only £7M more than Luis (all assumptions keep in mind) however I believe Luis to be a far superior player- that is the key point. We could get 4/5 years out of him at this level.

 

The hype with Shaw grows and grows and he may well turn out to be a great player for the long term but I don't think anyone can possibly know at this stage, he is 18 years old with two seasons experiance in the Premiership. Paying £30M is a massive risk if you ask me.

 

Luis is a proven, established talent who has been a permenent part of the best defence in La Liga that has just won the title and reached a CL final. He has been part of a team that plays a similar style to what I believe the current Chelsea side is aspiring to and capable of under Mourinho.

 

Shaw has looked great bombing forward for Southampton but would he look the same with the responsibilities he would take on in a Chelsea side? Perhaps, I have a few doubts though.

 

I think Luis fits the bill and would give us another component of what is needed to build serious title challenge next season.

I don't think he has 4/5 years at the top level, he would be 34 by that point....

Not many top class full backs last like that other than Cole.

Shaw has been every bit as impressive as Luis IMO, it's not just two years expierence he has had...he's been one of the players of the season in his position outshining almost every other left back other than Azpi (and many non chels fans would say otherwise).

One guy is in the twilight of his career and the other has his very best years ahead of him.

Shaw is the real deal and could not have done anymore than he has done to prove that, an 18 year old kid going to the world cup taking Ashley Coles place speaks volumes.

Is his name in the hat to take over there?

There was talk of it yesterday, it would make a lot of sense for both, but it depends on whether mclaren would leave derby as it's his home club.

Could be good for bamford as well.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/380769/EXCLUSIVE-Derby-s-Steve-McClaren-shock-name-in-the-frame-for-Southampton-job

Edited May 29, 201412 yr by big blue

I don't think he has 4/5 years at the top level, he would be 34 by that point....

Not many top class full backs last like that other than Cole.

Shaw has been every bit as impressive as Luis IMO, it's not just two years expierence he has had...he's been one of the players of the season in his position outshining almost every other left back other than Azpi (and many non chels fans would say otherwise).

One guy is in the twilight of his career and the other has his very best years ahead of him.

Shaw is the real deal and could not have done anymore than he has done to prove that, an 18 year old kid going to the world cup taking Ashley Coles place speaks volumes.

 

Well you are of course entitled to your opinion, can't say I agree with it though.

 

I believe Shaw has had two great seasons, I don't believe that makes him worth £30M or establishes his place as the 'real deal'. He has never played a Champions League game and has 45 minutes under his belt for England so referencing the fact that he has made the squad doesn't really prove anything for me, he might not even kick a ball over there if Baines stays fit, much like when Sven took Theo. This isn't meant as a dig in any way to him, it's a positive thing he has been called up of course but I don't think it really speaks volumes as you say, no more so than when Theo was taken as a youngster. I personally believe Cole should have been taken in lieu of Shaw but that is just my opinion.

 

Shaw could well go on to be the real deal but my point is that I don't believe he has proved that yet and only time will tell if/when he signs for a club such as Chelsea/United and is playing at the highest level in the Champions League. Untill then I think the £30M way over his valuation and I personally believe Luis would fit the current bill better for what Jose is trying to build for next season.

 

Just my opinion of course.

Is he really a superior player? I reckon it depends on what you are after in fullback, and how that transfers into a more demanding league. Personally would be wary of buying any players from Atletico bar Koke & a pre-injured Costa, because they are essentially an efficient machine. What happens when you take out a piece or two no one knows at this point, Filipe in my opinion is just an Ivanovic on the left; good defensively but further up the pitch he is just steady.

A quick look at Squwaka suggests Ivanovic created 29 chances all season, Azpi on his weaker flank 12, Filipe 23 and Shaw 33. Our issue all season has been a lack of width and we are crying out for fullbacks that offer something going forward. Azpi and Ivanovic had 1 assist all season (we could blame it on 3 average forwards), I just don't see how adding another Ivanovic on the other flank solves the issue of breaking down bottom teams. There is also that little problem of most Brazilian footballers declining rapidly after 30, personally hope we don't sign him.

p.s. if we are after older players, why not sign Baines at around the same price and increase our HG quota at the same time. Or is it a case of the manager valuing defensive input over what happens on the other end?

Edited May 29, 201412 yr by ducavis

Of course it's just we all see things differently.

I like big blue don't think Shaw will go for £30 million but more £20 tops with add ons. United might not be interested now they have Evra on a new 1 year deal.

I think once Lamps, Cole and eventually Terry go we will need guys like Shaw. Chelsea through and through mixed with raw talent and a will to win.

I said the same about Rooney a decade ago (it’s easy saying that I know…) to a Manc friend at the time, you could see there was something very special about the lad and I see this in Shaw…I really do.

To do what he’s done and to do it consistently well through 2 long seasons in the best league in the world means more to me than just ‘potential’ and still has it all to prove. He’s improved and continues to with every passing game so much so he’s going to the world cup and no doubt now Baines is injured will start.

Luis might be the ‘easy’ option in terms of experience but for the long term (which is what Jose is supposed to be building for) to me it can only be Shaw.

I’d like to think I wont be saying this very same thing like Rooney about Shaw in a decade to come.

Of course it's just we all see things differently.

I like big blue don't think Shaw will go for £30 million but more £20 tops with add ons. United might not be interested now they have Evra on a new 1 year deal.

I think once Lamps, Cole and eventually Terry go we will need guys like Shaw. Chelsea through and through mixed with raw talent and a will to win.

I said the same about Rooney a decade ago (it’s easy saying that I know…) to a Manc friend at the time, you could see there was something very special about the lad and I see this in Shaw…I really do.

To do what he’s done and to do it consistently well through 2 long seasons in the best league in the world means more to me than just ‘potential’ and still has it all to prove. He’s improved and continues to with every passing game so much so he’s going to the world cup and no doubt now Baines is injured will start.

Luis might be the ‘easy’ option in terms of experience but for the long term (which is what Jose is supposed to be building for) to me it can only be Shaw.

I’d like to think I wont be saying this very same thing like Rooney about Shaw in a decade to come.

 

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I will be happy if we sign Shaw without doubt, it's the price tag I have an issue with. If we could work that down then happy days.

 

I do rate him and I think he is a very promising player, being English is also a big bonus.

 

Jose is supposed to be building for the future but he needs to deliver next season, the pressure is going to be on him bigtime and he knows that. He has had his one season  and was quick to play the transition card with all his little horse talk etc. He needs to make his signings count and he needs to deliver some silverware next season without fail and that is why I get the feeling he will be going for what he will consider to be the safer option that will yield instant benefits. If he does go with Luis time will tell if that was the right call or not for sure....

If we signed Luis we would most likely have to replace him in 3-4 years with another £20 odd million leftback so its not like it makes much more financial sense that signing Shaw now for £30M. He is 10 years younger and English aswell. Its not just Shaw though there are other good young leftbacks like Rodriguez and Moreno we could get if they dont want to spend £30M on Shaw.

Wouldn't be disappointed to see Felipe Luiz in the team next season, however I do think shaw would be worth the bigger fee.

I also don't think shaw will go for 30m in the end either. Probably 18-20 with performance based add ons taking it up to around 25m.

Hopefully umbrella Steve takes over at soton, as he has a very good relationship with jose which could potentially swing it our way.

 

I dont think Mourinho wants Shaw though.

What makes you all so sure that Shaw will be a superstar? Rodwell at Everton looked like the next big thing. Went to City and has done nothing. Sinclair was the same at Swansea. Zaha at Palace. The list goes on and on.

Yes Shaw has youth on his side and its great that he supports Chelsea but the 30 million asking price is too much for someone who has done well with a midtable team.

No one can be sure just like we can't be sure Luis will adapt to playing in England....

What makes you all so sure that Shaw will be a superstar? Rodwell at Everton looked like the next big thing. Went to City and has done nothing. Sinclair was the same at Swansea. Zaha at Palace. The list goes on and on.

Yes Shaw has youth on his side and its great that he supports Chelsea but the 30 million asking price is too much for someone who has done well with a midtable team.

 

Very different situations. Rodwell hasnt been able to stay healthy to save his life, when you are always injured this is what happens. Zaha just doesnt have the mental capacity to be a top player imo, said it from day one, but jury is still out. Sinclair isnt fit to lace Shaws boots as  prospect.

 

With that said, nobody can be sure.Theres never a signing guaranteed to work out. There are players with less risk then others and imo theres a very low risk Shaw doesnt turn out to be a top player.

Edited May 29, 201412 yr by Xfaxtor

Liverpool have formalised their interest in Alberto Moreno with an offer worth €20m (£16.2m) for the Sevilla left-back, according to reports in Spain.

 

Looks like we're going to have to hope we sign Luis with Shaw off to United and Moreno likely to join Liverpool. 

Liverpool have formalised their interest in Alberto Moreno with an offer worth €20m (£16.2m) for the Sevilla left-back, according to reports in Spain.

Looks like we're going to have to hope we sign Luis with Shaw off to United and Moreno likely to join Liverpool.

Very good piece of business if they land him at that price. I'd prefer moreno to Felipe Luiz.

A step back IMO. Don't want to spend that sort of money on a 28/29 year old even though he may improve us in the short term.

 

 

A step down from what exactly?

 

 

As you can see my quote was not a 'step down' but a 'step back'. My point being that although I think Luis may be an improvement on our left back situation it is not 

somewhere where we need an improvement as we have Bertrand Dave and PVH. JM came here to build a team and Id prefer he built from young rather than pay

big money for established foreign stars.

Very different situations. Rodwell hasnt been able to stay healthy to save his life, when you are always injured this is what happens. Zaha just doesnt have the mental capacity to be a top player imo, said it from day one, but jury is still out. Sinclair isnt fit to lace Shaws boots as prospect.

With that said, nobody can be sure.Theres never a signing guaranteed to work out. There are players with less risk then others and imo theres a very low risk Shaw doesnt turn out to be a top player.

I have to disagree. Signing Shaw for 30 odd million is a massive risk. If it doesnt work out no one will buy him off us for anywhere near what we paid for him. Take Torres for example. Infact Torres was proven before we bought him.

Very good piece of business if they land him at that price. I'd prefer moreno to Felipe Luiz.

 

For the same price as we'll be paying they're getting a player who could be there for the next 10 years.

 

I can only assume that Mourinho has told the club he doesn't think there is another balance between youth and experience in our squad otherwise I can't make sense of signing a 29 year old left back and 33 year old midfielder especially when you consider we haven't paid for a player over 25 for a couple of years now.