No argument there. Not sure whats going on, but theres been a lot of hostility lately, it seems like some posters cant make a point without being over the top, swearing or attacking others.

 

Everything is either the best in the world or useless. There is no middle ground. 

 

Our easy title win last season looks better and better as we seem to be informed how useless half the squad was.

No argument there. Not sure whats going on, but theres been a lot of hostility lately, it seems like some posters cant make a point without being over the top, swearing or attacking others.

 

It gets boring endlessly reading how f**ked we are next season because we haven't bought X, Y, Z players because everyone else is spending loads of money (even though they're not really). 

 

I like a transfer rumour as much as the next fan but to read comments such as "overloading with useless players" because you want us to sign God knows who is just pathetic. 

 

There's only so many times you can try and reason it out with people on the forum and analyse what we're doing. I've got to a point where anyone making such idiotic comments is just going to get called out on it. 

Cover is not the problem what we need is a goal threat down the right, if caudrado lives up to potential and we are sorted and falcao will come good with the service our midfield will provide, also i think baba Rahman is good as done

I think we definitely need a midfielder to give cover for either Cesc or Matic. Mikel and Ramires are good players no doubt but they are nowhere near at the level of their counterparts. If one of Cesc or Matic gets injured for long we'd get stiffed. If Cesc goes our creative burden would rely solely on the hands of Oscar since Ramires is not even a quarter of player that Cesc is.

 

I think Jose said he'd sign a midfielder this summer.. let's see who he is.

Edited July 27, 201510 yr by CFCBlue12

Some shocking posts on here. A lot of posters with transfer envy tbh.

If José thinks the players are good enough to play, then they are. Trust in José!!!

'Useless players'.. 

f**king pathetic, do you EVER remember us not winning everything ? you sound like the ultimate glory hunter, i struggle to contain my anger with posts like this.

 

You sure know how to pick out the wrong parts of what i said. Yes, i shouldn't have said useless, big deal. Fact is that they are not good enough. Like someone said above, we have been signing players that should be considered back ups at best.

 

Some shocking posts on here. A lot of posters with transfer envy tbh.

If José thinks the players are good enough to play, then they are. Trust in José!!!

 

Who knows what Mourinho thinks?

You sure know how to pick out the wrong parts of what i said. Yes, i shouldn't have said useless, big deal. Fact is that they are not good enough. Like someone said above, we have been signing players that should be considered back ups at best.

Who knows what Mourinho thinks?

Mourinho throughout his career has never splashed out on huge superstar names, why would he do that now? Also calling Willian and Ramires useless. two players who have given a lot to this club and continue to do so tells me you're one of the plastic Chelsea fans they keep talking about.

We're not going to buy bale or pogba or griezmann or any other flavor of the month. If you don't like it go and support whatever team you used to support before we became successful.

Edited July 27, 201510 yr by Darogba

Why is it wrong to think that some of our players aren't good enough and we would be better off replacing them with other better ones? Once the transfer window is shut, I'll be well behind our team and all the players and hope they do their best on the pitch. But until then I refuse to keep repeating those mantras"We don't need anybody because we're still the best team in the country" or "Jose knows best". You have to be either extremely stupid or extremely naive to think that.

 

The best teams remain best because every summer they go out and buy top quality, that's how it works. And we don't buy it not because Mourinho isn't interested, but because we cannot afford it. Of course, he wants Pogba, of course he'd love Bale, but what's he going to do? Hell, we can't even afford Sterling. I bet at some point we'll walk away from Stones, too. 

 

My problem is, we could have improved the squad without even spending a fortune. Schneiderlin and Pedro for around 45m would be a decent piece of business and wouldn't break our pockets, either. Instead we're sticking with Mikel and Cuadrado and keep telling the world how strong we are and how we don't need anybody. Yeah, okay.

so 

 

Why is it wrong to think that some of our players aren't good enough and we would be better off replacing them with other better ones? Once the transfer window is shut, I'll be well behind our team and all the players and hope they do their best on the pitch. But until then I refuse to keep repeating those mantras"We don't need anybody because we're still the best team in the country" or "Jose knows best". You have to be either extremely stupid or extremely naive to think that.

 

The best teams remain best because every summer they go out and buy top quality, that's how it works. And we don't buy it not because Mourinho isn't interested, but because we cannot afford it. Of course, he wants Pogba, of course he'd love Bale, but what's he going to do? Hell, we can't even afford Sterling. I bet at some point we'll walk away from Stones, too. 

 

My problem is, we could have improved the squad without even spending a fortune. Schneiderlin and Pedro for around 45m would be a decent piece of business and wouldn't break our pockets, either. Instead we're sticking with Mikel and Cuadrado and keep telling the world how strong we are and how we don't need anybody. Yeah, okay.

Yes it would be brilliant to spend 45 million upgrading a couple of squad players, and yes both of them aren't ridiculously priced.

However Schneiderlin is a slightly worse version of Matic (bit of a simplification I know)  and its only in the big games where we'd want him to play alongside Matic so we can't offer much potential game time, also ManU have the ability to offer him more money.
So his only potential upside for signing with us is medals which he could well believe especially with the money United are spending that they are just as likely to be winning things as us. 

Pedro plays in a position that our squad is already overloaded in and thus we can only buy him if we sell a couple of players in that position we don't have the financial clout of Man u in an FFP world so we have to spend our money more carefully which is why we are tending to use a one in one out policy.

Yes these signing would be decent but they aren't on the cards for particular reasons it doesn't make you stupid if you can see these reasons and don't ignore them as you are solely looking at the players ability and price.

And spending money doesn't win you the league its bringing in the right players. Players that add to your squad, want to be there and fit in to how the team plays, if they're not in the market or you don't have space for them/ can't afford to have them in your squad then they aren't the right player to buy. Spunking money up the wall doesn't solve any problems.  

so 

 

Yes it would be brilliant to spend 45 million upgrading a couple of squad players, and yes both of them aren't ridiculously priced.

However Schneiderlin is a slightly worse version of Matic (bit of a simplification I know)  and its only in the big games where we'd want him to play alongside Matic so we can't offer much potential game time, also ManU have the ability to offer him more money.

So his only potential upside for signing with us is medals which he could well believe especially with the money United are spending that they are just as likely to be winning things as us. 

Pedro plays in a position that our squad is already overloaded in and thus we can only buy him if we sell a couple of players in that position we don't have the financial clout of Man u in an FFP world so we have to spend our money more carefully which is why we are tending to use a one in one out policy.

Yes these signing would be decent but they aren't on the cards for particular reasons it doesn't make you stupid if you can see these reasons and don't ignore them as you are solely looking at the players ability and price.

And spending money doesn't win you the league its bringing in the right players. Players that add to your squad, want to be there and fit in to how the team plays, if they're not in the market or you don't have space for them/ can't afford to have them in your squad then they aren't the right player to buy. Spunking money up the wall doesn't solve any problems.  

 

Concerning Shneiderlin, MU squad is pretty deep, so there are no guarantees he'll necessarily get more playing time there. Even if we couldn't offer him quite the wages they did, I wish we'd have given it a go. He's also homegrown.

 

Pedro is not as good as Suarez, Bale or Neymar. But he's better than what we've got in a role he normally plays (apart from Hazard) and he costs little, considering the market today. I can understand us not willing to spend our annual transfer budget on one superstar, but passing on quality players that can make our squad considerably better and cost little doesn't make any sense. I don't care how overloaded we are in certain areas, I'd rather have one quality player instead of three average ones. As for FFP, doesn't seem to bother City or PSG anymore, should we be the only ones who still give a sh*t?

 

Spending money does win you trophies, league included, that's why only rich clubs have a shot at it. And those two I mentioned are right players for us, and wouldn't cost a lot of money, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Concerning Shneiderlin, MU squad is pretty deep, so there are no guarantees he'll necessarily get more playing time there. Even if we couldn't offer him quite the wages they did, I wish we'd have given it a go. He's also homegrown.

 

Pedro is not as good as Suarez, Bale or Neymar. But he's better than what we've got in a role he normally plays (apart from Hazard) and he costs little, considering the market today. I can understand us not willing to spend our annual transfer budget on one superstar, but passing on quality players that can make our squad considerably better and cost little doesn't make any sense. I don't care how overloaded we are in certain areas, I'd rather have one quality player instead of three average ones. As for FFP, doesn't seem to bother City or PSG anymore, should we be the only ones who still give a sh*t?

 

Spending money does win you trophies, league included, that's why only rich clubs have a shot at it. And those two I mentioned are right players for us, and wouldn't cost a lot of money, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Until Cuadrado goes Pedro isn't right as you can't have that many players in the same position if he leaves then bring him in straight away but you can't force a player out and we would need/ want sufficient interest in him. Hopefully we can sell Cuadrado for the same price as Pedro I'd consider that very good business. But 6 people being paid to cover one position is way too many so thats why we have to sell first. 

 

And yes I'd also have loved us to get Schneiderlin as I think he is class but he is too good to sit on the bench and I don't think we would fit him in as we have Matic and he should easily walk into that Man U midfield no matter how many midfielders they have in there squad.

And I would like us to spend money I think we could do with a better CM than Mikel or Ramires as backup but will either leave unlikely.

I don't think its necessary to waste money though you have to spend wisely  

On FFP we as a club are taking it seriously whether it matters or not that's what we are abiding by so we have to consider it. 

Edited July 27, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

Some shocking posts on here. A lot of  posters with transfer envy tbh.

If José thinks the players are good enough to play, then they are. Trust in José!!!

 

Haven't bothered to read all of the moaning about the lack of quality signings. As you rightly say, we should trust in Jose 'cos after all, he IS the best in the business.

However, I do have to admit that I don't go into the season that confident that this current squad can repeat last season's success. Of course it could all click into place, again but we ended last season looking far from convincing and I just don't think the balance of the squad looks right. I don't have any faith in many of the fringe players and can't see the youngsters getting a look-in and if we suffer injuries to key players - Matic, Fabregas, JT, Costa or God forbid, Hazard, then I don't think we have enough to get over the line like we did last season. 

 

I do want to have faith in Mourinho and will be delighted to be proved wrong but I just think his stubbornness in sticking will cost us. When we had more strong characters like Lamps, Ash, Cech & Drogs, they would pull us through but I fear it will be more difficult for this squad to keep the momentum and the hunger and to repeat last season's feat.

 

Of course, one decent signing could change all that....................!!

Would be great to have Pedro and Schneiderlin but at some point the price gets too high. Keep in mind if we had made it a priority to sign these two it wouldnt have been at what they went for, wed be bidding against other clubs.

Also, whos to say those players didnt choose ManU? Schneiderlin may have fancied himself better than any CM on United and joined them instead of competing against Cesc and Matic. In which case do you want him in your team?

Im all for upgrading anytime its possible as well but going forward doesnt always require replacing starters. Its easier to replace players when you have glaring holes in your team.

Should we be in the business of signing 20m players to motivate our current players?

I doubt if mourinho has a free hand. Defenders seem to be cheaper than attackers so buying stones and a left back maybe the way to go.

Saying that I don't think we have enough routes to goal.

I wonder if Jose would consider playing costa and Falcao together

Assuming Falcao at close to his best you could almost put

Hazard costa falcao up against Neymar Suarez messi or ribery muller Robben and not get laughed out of the room.

Unfortunately falcao is not at his best and costa will probably break down after 10 games so it's nothing but a dream.

Jose mentioned being unpredictable in his latest QA. If that's true, I believe we will see 2 strikers playing together against lesser teams, and very important in keeping Remy at the club. Back to the signings, I think it's a matter of Jose not wanting spend so much time man managing high profile players who aren't getting games. Pedro for instance would be an upgrade, but he's going to play week in, week out, at least not in the initial period.

What we need these days is to find buyers for our players to finance these buys. I'd say Cuadrado, Ramires are players who we might look to sell. I just realized last season psg saved us early on by buying Luiz over the marketprice. It was pretty easy to start bidding for Cesc and Diego at that point.

Currently we don't have that luxury.

If we buy now Pedro and Stones for 55m we need to sell and other teams know we need to and start bidding low bids for our lads. Not optimal by any stretch.

Mourinho throughout his career has never splashed out on huge superstar names, why would he do that now? Also calling Willian and Ramires useless. two players who have given a lot to this club and continue to do so tells me you're one of the plastic Chelsea fans they keep talking about.

We're not going to buy bale or pogba or griezmann or any other flavor of the month. If you don't like it go and support whatever team you used to support before we became successful.

Ouch, bit cold that,but true, mind u with ffp we desperately need plastic fans but it would be nice if they kept their noise in check

I think one of Mikel or Ramires has to go. I'm not saying they are bad players, but I think they're certainly not good enough to provide cover for players like Cesc and Matic if either goes injured for some length. We'd definitely need an upgrade over these 2 if we're to retain the league or challenge for the Champions League.

Why is it wrong to think that some of our players aren't good enough and we would be better off replacing them with other better ones? Once the transfer window is shut, I'll be well behind our team and all the players and hope they do their best on the pitch. But until then I refuse to keep repeating those mantras"We don't need anybody because we're still the best team in the country" or "Jose knows best". You have to be either extremely stupid or extremely naive to think that.

The best teams remain best because every summer they go out and buy top quality, that's how it works. And we don't buy it not because Mourinho isn't interested, but because we cannot afford it. Of course, he wants Pogba, of course he'd love Bale, but what's he going to do? Hell, we can't even afford Sterling. I bet at some point we'll walk away from Stones, too.

My problem is, we could have improved the squad without even spending a fortune. Schneiderlin and Pedro for around 45m would be a decent piece of business and wouldn't break our pockets, either. Instead we're sticking with Mikel and Cuadrado and keep telling the world how strong we are and how we don't need anybody. Yeah, okay.

Spot on ... !

We cant afford to spend money on top players? Thats a good one

We cant afford to spend money on top players? Thats a good one

Of course we can afford players but more players means more salary thats why the one in one out polocy and I assume we want to have a decent pool incase a big player comes along and not waste it on players we dont feel are good value or are a punt

Someone was moaning about not being able to afford Sterling or Pogba.

I agree with you about not throwing cash around on marginal players but we can afford to buy top players, regardless of policy

Someone was moaning about not being able to afford Sterling or Pogba.

I agree with you about not throwing cash around on marginal players but we can afford to buy top players, regardless of policy

What I don't get though is why we are following fpp so strictly when our title rivals city dont give a toss and they seem to be getting on fine while breaking the rules

I think we may have to invest in a new no 1 striker, Costas Hammy cant keep going, can it, i know this is worst case scenario, but last night doesnt bode well?

I think we may have to invest in a new no 1 striker, Costas Hammy cant keep going, can it, i know this is worst case scenario, but last night doesnt bode well?

 

Still got Remy, still got Falcao and worst comes to worst you could always play Hazard through the middle. 

 

We're more than covered.