3 hours ago, L1ONHeart said:

Lukaku is on another level compared to Cavani, Lacazette or even Morata.  He's worth the money - in fact, reminds me of another striker we used to have around here.  I believe his initials were DD.  That worked out well for us, didn't it?

Other that big and black he is nothing like dross plays nothing like him if I'm generous both have a smart finish, drogs had a touch of gold could bring down a ball on the head of a pin and volley it, technical, Inteligent, great at linking up, unbelievable with back to goal, Lukaku does none of that, again big and black stops there, but even that droggs is big boned but lean and wiry build like an athlete Lukaku is a big lump 

3 hours ago, L1ONHeart said:

Lukaku is on another level compared to Cavani, Lacazette or even Morata.  He's worth the money - in fact, reminds me of another striker we used to have around here.  I believe his initials were DD.  That worked out well for us, didn't it?

What utter rubbish, Cavani has at least 25 goals every season since 2010-2011

 

Plus it has been demonstrated repeatably that Morata is superior to Lukaku

4 hours ago, Deino said:

The only similarity I can see between Lukaku and Drogba is that he's big. Drogba has much more in common with Morata than most top strikers right now.

Lukaku has 26 in 39 games in all competitions and Cavani has 49 in 50. So if we're measuring goals then no Lukaku is not better than Cavani, yet. 

 

The way you describe Cavani can be word for word describe Lukaku. Cavani's tally this season is 49 goals in 50 games, 8 in 8 in Europe. If any of our strikers misses 5 but scores 1 goal a game then I'd be fine with that, not everyone can be a Lewandowski on top form.

It's fine and all to have preferences but lets not build up someone too much. Lukaku has proved that he can hack it in the Prem and that's about it. He hasn't even signed for us to hold any expectation on him just yet.

Did you even realize you describe Torres. Lukaku has never missed so much. He is perfect finisher. Nothing compare to Cavani. And Cavani score this goals in weak France, not in England.

Did you realize Falcao for 2 season in England, score total of 5 goals, and now in Monaco he scored 30.

Ibrahimovic for example, scored 38 goals in Ligue 1, and in the PL this season he score only 17, playing just 3 matches less.

You cant compare player from other league, to player in England with stats. You just can`t do that.

For example Alonso have great season, yet hes statistics is a lot lower then when he was playing in Serie A.
That`s due to the League.

And i`m just waiting for Lukaku, to prove you all wrong, then i will make fun of you. I can promise you that.

I don`t care for whatever reason you and some other guys not like it, but it`s too much too lower his qualities and the constant crying about him.

There is no better available Striker, then Lukaku. Morata is not even close to him.

37 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Did you even realize you describe Torres. Lukaku has never missed so much. He is perfect finisher. Nothing compare to Cavani. And Cavani score this goals in weak France, not in England.

Did you realize Falcao for 2 season in England, score total of 5 goals, and now in Monaco he scored 30.

Ibrahimovic for example, scored 38 goals in Ligue 1, and in the PL this season he score only 17, playing just 3 matches less.

You cant compare player from other league, to player in England with stats. You just can`t do that.

For example Alonso have great season, yet hes statistics is a lot lower then when he was playing in Serie A.
That`s due to the League.

And i`m just waiting for Lukaku, to prove you all wrong, then i will make fun of you. I can promise you that.

I don`t care for whatever reason you and some other guys not like it, but it`s too much too lower his qualities and the constant crying about him.

There is no better available Striker, then Lukaku. Morata is not even close to him.

Torres doesn't score 1 goal per game, come on now. If Lukaku doesn't miss so much then why does his goal tally is inferior to someone who in your own words say "miss and miss and still miss"

Differences in the league is marginal at best. Henry scored more in the EPL than anywhere else, Suarez and Llorente was as good in the Prem as he is in La Liga, Gabbiadini is statistically better in the Prem than anywhere else, Alexis Sanchez is better in the EPL than he was playing for Barca. Many factors are involved and the EPL is more competitive but that doesn't detract the legitimacy of other leagues. If you're good, you can make it anywhere. 

If Lukaku becomes as good as he thinks he is, then fine. Happy to be wrong. 

No one is lowering his qualities, his qualities just don't stack up against other top strikers in the game and that is fine. At his age to be compared to the best is good in and of itself but he hasn't proven himself to be capable of carrying a team into a Top 4 spot much less the winners. You're the one who is overestimating him, Lukaku is good but he hasn't become a striker that propelled his team to become winners of their respective leagues yet hence people have reservations about him. You make him out to be a Lewandowski MkII but he isn't. 

Lets not get into Morata vs Lukaku again. 

 

PS: About the bolded part, Ok, have at it hoss.

Henry in Barcelona wasn`t playing as solo forward, of course he will score less.

Suarez best scoring for Liverpool is 31 goals when he was solo. In Barcelona with Neymar and Messi, he scored 59, so pls tell me how it doesn`t matter if its Spain or England. Bulls.....

Sanchez scoring more, cause of Arsenal style. In Barcelona he was with Messi and David Villa, of course hes goals will be less.

In Spain they playing open football. Not so much tactically, but technically and widely open. They score a lot more goals.

Also the small teams are not even close to the levels of the PL team. They are just punch bag for top teams.

They play open football and Barcelona and Real often score 5,6,7 goals in 1 match.

How often you see that in PL ? Almost every team play tight in defence and you have difficult time against every team. If you goes easy on that match, you lose points.

Here the teams are a lot more literate in defence and tactically. Small teams often took points from big teams, unless like La Liga or Ligue 1. PL teams are also a lot smarter then the rest of the league.

Ligue 1 it`s just a s*** league. You can`t even compare it to PL.

Everyone will look better there.

So of course Cavani will score a lot of goals. But every year he fu*** his team in the CL with his misses. He miss and miss and miss, oh of course, after so many situation he finally score 1 goal, but that`s not enough, cause hes team already lose big.

You should know that, how many time he has clear chances against us, and he miss them.

He may score 60 goals, but PSG lose to Barcelona in the worst possible way. In the first match he miss 2 open goals.

They even lose the title in France. So how many of his goals was important one?

Every time i watch him, he miss so many open and clear chances, it`s not real.
He may score 100 goals in 1 season, i don`t rate him and i don`t like him, cause he miss tooo much and his team suffer from this.

In the PL in a lot of the matches, you will have 1 or 2 chances to score goals, and Cavani need atleast 3 or 4 to score. Team in the PL with him will suffer big.

Again Falcao for 2 season in England have scored total of 5 goals, just 1 season back in France - 30 goals.
That`s tell the whole story.

Did i need to say how much more Ronaldo score in Spain then in England?

And the biggest proof how better then every other league PL are, is Pep Guardiola.
In every other league he barely lose, also his team concede a lot less goals.

Also now hes winning % is a lot smaller, then the rest. Just 58.93%, while in Barcelona was 72.47% and in Bayern even higher - 75.16%.

In La Liga he usually concede 21 or 24 or 29 goals. In Bayern Munich 23, 18 and 17.

In his first season in England he concede 39 goals, thats tell you all.

Not to mention how much less goals his team score now in the league, compare to his period in Barcelona and Munich.

So it`s not only PL fan fantasy that PL is so much harder then any other league in the world, thats the reality!!!

 

 

 

Edited July 2, 20179 yr by brakeit

Lukaku for mine is a great finisher. Better than others. Icardi and Morata are focal points, Lacazette not as much but he still comes deep to link the play. 

In my mind we need those things. Morata and Lacazette would be my preferred pairing as they are versatile and could play together.

Drogba wasn't actually a great goal scorer in terms of goals per game, but he was good player. In his first season here many were critical of him at times, even for extended periods.

Lukaku has risen to rather challenges he's faced pretty well so far.

And I don't think Moratta has really done enough to show he'd be better for us even if available.

1 hour ago, brakeit said:

Henry in Barcelona wasn`t playing as solo forward, of course he will score less.

Suarez best scoring for Liverpool is 31 goals when he was solo. In Barcelona with Neymar and Messi, he scored 59, so pls tell me how it doesn`t matter if its Spain or England. Bulls.....

Sanchez scoring more, cause of Arsenal style. In Barcelona he was with Messi and David Villa, of course hes goals will be less.

In Spain they playing open football. Not so much tactically, but technically and widely open. They score a lot more goals.

Also the small teams are not even close to the levels of the PL team. They are just punch bag for top teams.

They play open football and Barcelona and Real often score 5,6,7 goals in 1 match.

How often you see that in PL ? Almost every team play tight in defence and you have difficult time against every team. If you goes easy on that match, you lose points.

Here the teams are a lot more literate in defence and tactically. Small teams often took points from big teams, unless like La Liga or Ligue 1. PL teams are also a lot smarter then the rest of the league.

Ligue 1 it`s just a s*** league. You can`t even compare it to PL.

Everyone will look better there.

So of course Cavani will score a lot of goals. But every year he fu*** his team in the CL with his misses. He miss and miss and miss, oh of course, after so many situation he finally score 1 goal, but that`s not enough, cause hes team already lose big.

You should know that, how many time he has clear chances against us, and he miss them.

He may score 60 goals, but PSG lose to Barcelona in the worst possible way. In the first match he miss 2 open goals.

They even lose the title in France. So how many of his goals was important one?

Every time i watch him, he miss so many open and clear chances, it`s not real.
He may score 100 goals in 1 season, i don`t rate him and i don`t like him, cause he miss tooo much and his team suffer from this.

In the PL in a lot of the matches, you will have 1 or 2 chances to score goals, and Cavani need atleast 3 or 4 to score. Team in the PL with him will suffer big.

Again Falcao for 2 season in England have scored total of 5 goals, just 1 season back in France - 30 goals.
That`s tell the whole story.

Did i need to say how much more Ronaldo score in Spain then in England?

And the biggest proof how better then every other league PL are, is Pep Guardiola.
In every other league he barely lose, also his team concede a lot less goals.

Also now hes winning % is a lot smaller, then the rest. Just 58.93%, while in Barcelona was 72.47% and in Bayern even higher - 75.16%.

In La Liga he usually concede 21 or 24 or 29 goals. In Bayern Munich 23, 18 and 17.

In his first season in England he concede 39 goals, thats tell you all.

Not to mention how much less goals his team score now in the league, compare to his period in Barcelona and Munich.

So it`s not only PL fan fantasy that PL is so much harder then any other league in the world, thats the reality!!!

 

 

 

For some players it's a sh*t league then for others it's team composition. You can't have it both ways

First off, the only reason the Prem is more competitive is because it's the richest league not tactics or whatever. If the Prem was soo much better, you'd see Prem players outclass everyone on the international/continental level but from recent showings, the Prem is more detrimental to the players than any competition as it allocates very little rest time than any other league thus leads to players suffering from injuries, burnout as well as forcing coaches to forgo trophies in favour of the league. Look at Spurs, no. 2 in the Prem but was knocked out of the EL by Gent and not even qualifying from group stages consisting of Monaco, Leverkusen and CSKA Moscow.

Small teams are always punching bags of bigger teams. The better teams will always score 5,6,7 goals on a good day doesn't mean it comes around often. Prem league teams are not "literate in defence and tactically", what does that even mean lol. The league isn't tactically better nor is it especially good in defense, they may put more emphasis on defending but that is it and mostly because of the severity of ramifications if any one team drop into relegation. The teams in the Prem often follow a trend and rarely do they change tactics midway in a game much less over the course of a season and if they did, most of the time it's due to a change in coaching staff. Most teams in the Prem either drop so deep with everyone on defense then depend on set pieces or they go gung ho in attack sometimes somewhere in between. Rarely do teams in the Prem invent/devise/innovate tactics of their own, nowadays the teams either play 4231 or 442 or 433. That's not tactically better, that's just being pragmatic as the amount of money involved is at stake. If the distribution of money in other leagues is equal then you'd see an increase in competitiveness as well. Everyone literally said the 2015/16 season was the worst for the Prem because the top teams underperformed and Leicester used the most oldest tactic in England, the 442 and you say the Prem is the better defensively and tactically. Part of the reason the Prem is different than any other league is because it is more competitive, more physical and played at much higher speed than any other league along with being physically demanding in terms of the fixture scheduling anything else is marginal.

Monaco was outstanding last season, they fielded 107 goals and Mbappe scored 16 goals in 29 games, 10% of the total. That is unreal.

PSG fielded 83 (2nd highest) and conceded the lowest goals in Ligue 1. Cavani contributed 35 goals in 36 games, that's 42% of PSG's goals, his teams doesn't suffer from him not scoring, they suffer from not being able to pick up his slack which is exactly the argument people give when talking about Lukaku (where Zlatan at his best in PSG had 38 in 31 goals for a PSG that scored 102 goals overall). Those goals were important, you can argue about his clinicality but his goals were important. It's a wonder you even rate Lukaku given how you don't even rate strikers who scores 100 goals. 

Falcao suffered from a combination of loss of form, lack of playing time coupled with having just recovered from a knee injury that could have ended his career. Doesn't tell the whole story at all.

If Ronaldo had the same team playing in Utd colours under SAF then he'd be scoring those goals too. Utd since selling him had only won the title twice. The season after Utd selling Ronaldo, we won the Prem. Ronaldo was always going to be the guy he is now, it's just at Madrid he had better help.

 

Lol, how can you even use Pep as a measuring stick. The guy inherited the best team in La Liga and the Bundesliga. In 2009 Barca, he had Puyol coupled with having a golden generation of Barca youth breaking through along with having the likes of Henry, Xavi, Toure among others. That team plus Messi would kill it in every league. 2013 Bayern were Treblewinners then crippled Dortmund by buying Goetze and the next season had Lewandowski joining. That team could win any league bar La Liga because BBC and MSN was putting in peak performances.

How can you compare the likes of Clichy-Stones-Otamendi-Kolarov+Bravo against Alves- Peak Puyol- Pique-Alba/Adriano+Valdes or Lahm-Boateng-Martinez-Alaba+Neuer? Those defences are rock solid and most teams were being cautious because the offense of Bayern and Barca rank among the best in the world. To compare that team against City? Pep can't win when he doesn't have the best team in the league at his disposal, that's what this season taught football fans not that the Prem is better. 

Totally disagree with you. Tactically not only mean changing system/formation.

But i get your point i just complete disagree.

 

Everton have just signed Sandro Ramirez, striker from Malaga, and before that, Barcelona...maybe a Lukaku replacement?

On 02/07/2017 at 08:38, ozboy said:

Drogba wasn't actually a great goal scorer in terms of goals per game, but he was good player. In his first season here many were critical of him at times, even for extended periods.

Lukaku has risen to rather challenges he's faced pretty well so far.

And I don't think Moratta has really done enough to show he'd be better for us even if available.
 

In 9 years drogba only had two twenty goal seasons, mind you one of those was a 29 goal season other than that his goal scoring record was poor, but he scored big goals and was a brilliant player, that's why I keep telling people not to take what costa gave us for granted 

Fair point and I believe Kerry Dixon had a slightly better scoring ratio that Didier, though to be fair some of Didier's goals were created out of nothing.

Still a bit worried that Matt Law is still saying on his Twitter account that Conte wants Lukaku at any cost even if that means £100m...there's no way that we should pay anything near that for him...personally I wouldn't give the steam off my piss to Eversh*te after the Stones affair...if the board do come to their senses and refuse Conte's request, who should we go for, or can we go into the season with just Bats and maybe Costa till January? 

34 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

Still a bit worried that Matt Law is still saying on his Twitter account that Conte wants Lukaku at any cost even if that means £100m...there's no way that we should pay anything near that for him...personally I wouldn't give the steam off my piss to Eversh*te after the Stones affair...if the board do come to their senses and refuse Conte's request, who should we go for, or can we go into the season with just Bats and maybe Costa till January? 

It was rumoured that Mourinho really got Everton's (& Bill Kenwright in particular) backs up so that's why they played hard-ball with Stones. I was actually pleased we didn't get him at such an inflated price - over-rated and still has a lot to prove.

Don't like the idea of us paying stupid money for Lukaku either - £60M seems obsene, never mind £100M. But that's football today for you - the prices are getting plucked out the air and because of the Sky £££ it's all become a bit meaningless. Just doesn't sit right with me - paying so much money for a player who still has weaknesses in his game and who blows hot & cold but I guess I would take him over the Costa we saw between January - April. I would actually take Paul Furlong over THAT Costa.

 

Edited July 4, 20179 yr by Nibs

Guess I need someone to mop my brow about the cost of players these days...

On 7/2/2017 at 07:48, kiwi1691 said:

Plus it has been demonstrated repeatably that Morata is superior to Lukaku

How? By sitting on the bench for RM and Juve. 

4 minutes ago, didierforever said:

How? By sitting on the bench for RM and Juve. 

You have to be a tough breed of character to play on the RM bench.

I like Lukaku. But he is no near worth even 60mln., and i think 60mln. pounds should be the max we give for him.

His contract with Everton expire in 2019 and he won`t renew it.

So they are not in so good position to want 100mln.

There is also not much side interested in him. Most of the top teams already have forwards.
The only other club which is in for a Striker is United and they are closing on Morata, so they won`t get new Striker soon.

So even if we wait 1 year I don`t think someone will pay what Everton want for him, not even close. And there won`t be much team that is interested in him.
And just after year and a half they can lose him for nothing.

So they are not in a position to ask for 100mln. Max they could get for him i think it`s 60-70mln.

We should play hard in this situation and not give them more then 60mln. pounds.

Send and offer and sit and wait. If they don`t want it, then move along.

Lukaku is not the only Striker in the world.

When we buyed Drogba he wasn`t a popular player, and not many was heard of him.
We could try and see what Timo Werner will worth.
But i see RB Leipzig wanted 70mln. for Keita from Liverpool, so i guess that won`t be easy too.

 

 

I'd be happy with Lukaku, with the supply we can give him, wouldn't surprise me if we're all sat here next season after a 25-30 Goal return for the chap.

13 minutes ago, brakeit said:

I like Lukaku. But he is no near worth even 60mln., and i think 60mln. pounds should be the max we give for him.

His contract with Everton expire in 2019 and he won`t renew it.

So they are not in so good position to want 100mln.

There is also not much side interested in him. Most of the top teams already have forwards.
The only other club which is in for a Striker is United and they are closing on Morata, so they won`t get new Striker soon.

So even if we wait 1 year I don`t think someone will pay what Everton want for him, not even close. And there won`t be much team that is interested in him.
And just after year and a half they can lose him for nothing.

So they are not in a position to ask for 100mln. Max they could get for him i think it`s 60-70mln.

We should play hard in this situation and not give them more then 60mln. pounds.

Send and offer and sit and wait. If they don`t want it, then move along.

Lukaku is not the only Striker in the world.

When we buyed Drogba he wasn`t a popular player, and not many was heard of him.
We could try and see what Timo Werner will worth.
But i see RB Leipzig wanted 70mln. for Keita from Liverpool, so i guess that won`t be easy too.

 

 

I agree with you...let Eversh*te sweat on an ever decreasing asset...put a £60m plus bonuses offer on the table and walk away...if they say no then go get another striker and wait till next season when he'll be worth £40m or less...also Lukaku needs to force through the deal...

51 minutes ago, brakeit said:

I like Lukaku. But he is no near worth even 60mln., and i think 60mln. pounds should be the max we give for him.

His contract with Everton expire in 2019 and he won`t renew it.

So they are not in so good position to want 100mln.

There is also not much side interested in him. Most of the top teams already have forwards.
The only other club which is in for a Striker is United and they are closing on Morata, so they won`t get new Striker soon.

So even if we wait 1 year I don`t think someone will pay what Everton want for him, not even close. And there won`t be much team that is interested in him.
And just after year and a half they can lose him for nothing.

So they are not in a position to ask for 100mln. Max they could get for him i think it`s 60-70mln.

We should play hard in this situation and not give them more then 60mln. pounds.

Send and offer and sit and wait. If they don`t want it, then move along.

Lukaku is not the only Striker in the world.

When we buyed Drogba he wasn`t a popular player, and not many was heard of him.
We could try and see what Timo Werner will worth.
But i see RB Leipzig wanted 70mln. for Keita from Liverpool, so i guess that won`t be easy too.

Are you a banker ?

Is that rhyming slang?  If it is, you got the "are" and the"you" round the wrong way.

20 minutes ago, coco said:

Are you a banker ?

Close... Just one letter out. 

Close... Just one letter out. 

Bankr?

The Thunderer are reporting that manure is in talks with Eversh*te about a deal involving Lukaku and Rooney...can see that would be good business for the clubs but let's hope Lukaku says they can fook off...you're not using me as a make weight in any deal...