1 minute ago, Xfaxtor said:

Based on the post I just quoted

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Watching him last night Conte has a lot of work to do if we do sign him. Now I will say I have no idea if what his manager told him to play like last night, so it may be a tactical failing. But his lack of movement was worrying, he was incredibly static when Belgium attacked, barely ever moving defenders around.

This is my main problem with Lukaku and I cant see this changing much even under Conte. He is so huge and has a ton of muscles on him, he is never going to be the kind of striker that pressures and hassle opponents or pull defenders away. He is always going to be relatively static. 

50 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Wouldnt be suprised if Hazard is out till October as he needs to do pre season. With Hazard out and Fabregas is not a first team starter at the moment the main creativity needs to come from Willian and Pedro 

The team without Hazard and Cesc becomes limited. Pedro and Willian likes to cut in and with Rom in the middle doesnt fill me with hope as much.

30 minutes ago, dkw said:

Watching him last night Conte has a lot of work to do if we do sign him. Now I will say I have no idea what his manager told him to play like last night, so it may be a tactical failing. But his lack of movement was worrying, he was incredibly static when Belgium attacked, barely ever moving defenders around. Plus he was constantly trying to play of the defenders, looking to run in behind, rarely coming to face the ball, which made no sense to me against a deep defence with an even deeper midfield only yards away, there literally was no chance of a ball through for him. When he did come for the ball it invariably bounced of him or a defender took it of him. I'm pretty sure he will score a lot of goals against teams that play high lines or open against us, but they will be few and far between unfortunately. I hope Conte can get him past these weaknesses and he has 4 or 5 great years for us, maybe bring Drogba in to assist him, he had defenders on string and knew exactly what to do in every situation.

And Martinez is actually known for coaching attacking football

7 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Don't know why you brought your gf into this, strange.

There could be a few reasons why he's less active. Lack of competition at Everton, less to play for. I remember him being quite active last season when they knocked us out of the FA Cup last season. I couldn't find those stats but maybe Everton have taken a different approach to play this season. Koeman likes to have a target player up top, Pelle for example. It's not as if he's immobile anyway. 

Your point about him not knowing what to do with a parked bus runs converse to this argument as well, that provides even less space to run into, he'd be running less than if his teams were countering all the time. 

Honestly without being insulting I'm not sure you have a good enough understanding of football to play out this debate, to put it briefly to you, if you have space you don't need to be as mobile you can hang around until it's time for your run and then run into it, if you have to create space you're moving side to side a lot more looking for space, if your flair players are being closed down you continue to make runs that you know will come to nothing just to pull defenders off your players like hazard, imagine the distance run on a counter it's direct, now imagine when we move side to side for 7 minutes to try and get through a defence, and how many runners peel off that never receive the ball.

Also the girlfriend analogy was in the hopes you would realise what you were saying was stupid, because you have goal scoring then being the worst at another aspect of his game is ok, and would we prefer those roles switched, again no, we wouldn't want an 80 million gbp striker to be the worst in the leauge at any aspect of his game. 

 

 

Well, I'm against rating players by videos because the video will show only the positive things, but I personally followed Lukaku's games and I know what he worth. Every player has his problems, and every player can fix his mistakes and improve himself. Lukaku is improving from season to season, then why should he come and be bad for us.

I think it is unlikely we will just be signing a striker so hopefully whoever else we sign, they can play to Lukaku's strengths if we do decide to go in this direction.

2 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

 

 

Well, I'm against rating players by videos because the video will show only the positive things, but I personally followed Lukaku's games and I know what he worth. Every player has his problems, and every player can fix his mistakes and improve himself. Lukaku is improving from season to season, then why should he come and be bad for us.

For me, I think he doesn't suit the players at Chelsea more than individual quality. At West Brom & Everton, most of the attacks go through him and at both of those teams, they more or less play with traditional wingers. 

Chelsea otoh play with inverted forwards, width is supplied by the wingbacks. Alonso is the only decent crosser from out wide. Hazard can cross but in doing so kind of limiting him and allows for the opposition to put 2-3 men on him to slow him down while reorganizing their defence. If lets say Fab and Hazard are out of the team, It becomes easier to sit deep against Chelsea as Pedro and Willian needs space to run into and Alonso is the only one you'd have to shackle thus stifling the Chelsea attack

34 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Honestly without being insulting I'm not sure you have a good enough understanding of football to play out this debate, to put it briefly to you, if you have space you don't need to be as mobile you can hang around until it's time for your run and then run into it, if you have to create space you're moving side to side a lot more looking for space, if your flair players are being closed down you continue to make runs that you know will come to nothing just to pull defenders off your players like hazard, imagine the distance run on a counter it's direct, now imagine when we move side to side for 7 minutes to try and get through a defence, and how many runners peel off that never receive the ball.

Also the girlfriend analogy was in the hopes you would realise what you were saying was stupid, because you have goal scoring then being the worst at another aspect of his game is ok, and would we prefer those roles switched, again no, we wouldn't want an 80 million gbp striker to be the worst in the leauge at any aspect of his game. 

Calling someone's football knowledge into question, love it. If I have to constantly run 30m+ to chase down balls hit in my general direction I think I'm running more than when I'm backed up to the opposing teams box where I have limited real estate. Sure I'm moving side to side but not at a sprint, the sprinting is for my curled runs which cover no more than 10m. 

Your preference of attraction is not comparable to strikers. Strikers are judged by objective stats, judging women or men is up to your own preference. SAD! Confeve

Edited June 10, 20179 yr by TheChelseaBlues

1 minute ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Calling someone's football knowledge into question, love it. If I have to constantly run 30m+ to chase down balls hit in my general direction I think I'm running more than when I'm backed up to the opposing teams box where I have limited real estate. Sure I'm moving side to side but not at a sprint, the sprinting is for my cu

It's pretty easy you're wrong, I wasn't forming my own made up opinion like you were, I quoted an ex player who played at the highest level as a striker, might be the case he knows more about being a striker than you.

 There was 2 aspects to his point one you chose to ignore. The fact is you need to make continuous runs if the team you're playing is compact, it's a more sustained running when trying to break down a team than sitting back waiting to counter, in which case a striker sits at the half way waiting to be resleased unless he is back defending balls in.

So even in this case breaking down a team takes more running, it's not debatable just because you would like it to be that's just the way it works in reality, again not my idea.

The second thing he said is Chelsea needs a lively striker not only for that but what he meant by lively is we like to press teams to win the ball back up the pitch, again if a team is sitting back when we lose the ball the forwards high press and try and recover possession that takes a great deal of running, I'm sure you won't argue a high pres team like Liverpool runs more than a team that sits back, when we play a team that sits back we high press....we run more. So it's not hilarious you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, so why just make up scenarios, to try and stay in the fight. Ask someone on here who has played striker. 

I would offer Everton Hazard just to get this deal done! What a player Lukaku is. 

 

12 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

It's pretty easy you're wrong, I wasn't forming my own made up opinion like you were, I quoted an ex player who played at the highest level as a striker, might be the case he knows more about being a striker than you.

 There was 2 aspects to his point one you chose to ignore. The fact is you need to make continuous runs if the team you're playing is compact, it's a more sustained running when trying to break down a team than sitting back waiting to counter, in which case a striker sits at the half way waiting to be resleased unless he is back defending balls in.

So even in this case breaking down a team takes more running, it's not debatable just because you would like it to be that's just the way it works in reality, again not my idea.

The second thing he said is Chelsea needs a lively striker not only for that but what he meant by lively is we like to press teams to win the ball back up the pitch, again if a team is sitting back when we lose the ball the forwards high press and try and recover possession that takes a great deal of running, I'm sure you won't argue a high pres team like Liverpool runs more than a team that sits back, when we play a team that sits back we high press....we run more. So it's not hilarious you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, so why just make up scenarios, to try and stay in the fight. Ask someone on here who has played striker. 

And not just headless chicken running either, intelligent runs to force errors as well as freeing up space during a counter

5 hours ago, coco said:

He'll vanish when Rom bangs in his first hat-trick.

 

4 hours ago, pacquiao said:

I Have seen some deluded people in this thread but this is on another level. 

Your acting like he has not scored a hattrick before. In fact 4 in one game he has and has scored a hattrick for WBA against United when he was 18 and also scored a hattrick against Sunderland this season. What is so ludicrous to think he cannot do the same for us?

Also the irony of you labelling someone as deluded

1 minute ago, STATS said:

 

Your acting like he has not scored a hattrick before. In fact 4 in one game he has and has scored a hattrick for WBA against United when he was 18 and also scored a hattrick against Sunderland this season. What is so ludicrous to think he cannot do the same for us?

Also the irony of you labelling someone as deluded

I wasn't referring to the part about scoring a hattrick. 

This is comparing Lukaku work rate individually to Kane a player that moves around in a high press team:

 "Ask Koeman to identify one aspect of Lukaku’s game that needs to improve, and this would be it. The Everton manager has been a frequent critic of the striker’s pressing – or lack of – since succeeding Martínez and an average distance covered of 8.93km per game is the lowest among his Premier League peers. There has been evidence of Koeman’s advice being heeded in recent weeks, however. 6

Kane Pochettino’s system and style ask a lot of the lone striker but Kane shows every week that he is willing to run himself into the ground. Works to close down defenders and drag them out of position, he can cover 13km in a game. Has averaged 10.7km in the league this season. 8

Now if we look at us as a team we cover on average 113 km per game Everton cover 109km, so as a team we cover more ground, as a style we press from the front against smaller teams, in fact Diego could run a lot more but the quality of his runs makes up for the fact he isn't the quickest at pressing, so we have a team that runs more, a style that requires more lively forwards, to recycle the ball quickly and expose teams before they reset, what's your argument again? That because we have less space to work he can do less ffs give up mate @TheChelseaBlues

13 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

I would offer Everton Hazard just to get this deal done! What a player Lukaku is. 

 

What is it with this Belgium team though. Individually they are great but they all seem to lack bottle in high pressure games

10 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

I would offer Everton Hazard just to get this deal done! What a player Lukaku is. 

 

With the way you were talking, i was expecting something horrendous. All this shows is that he got a few touches and passes wrong and could have scored twice. You could make a video like this for ANY player. I could make a one minute video of pretty much every game Costa has played in 2017 that would be worse than this video.

Quadruple is ours next season with this guy! 

 

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

With the way you were talking, i was expecting something horrendous. All this shows is that he got a few touches and passes wrong and could have scored twice. You could make a video like this for ANY player. I could make a one minute video of pretty much every game Costa has played in 2017 that would be worse than this video.

Yeah definitely not bad at all, you are so right. 

Just now, pacquiao said:

Yeah definitely not bad at all, you are so right. 

No, i said it wasn't horrendous, like you were making it out to be. On another day, he scores those two chances and you say nothing. You overreact to every poor touch and pass from Lukaku and then you go silent when he scores or plays a decent pass.

It will be fun to come back and quote this guy, when Lukaku start scoring for us like mad.

But i`m sure this guy will be hidden in his hole and won`t shows up, unless there is some bad performance from the team and Lukaku. Then he will come and say i told you ....

Conte and the board is not a bunch of idiots, who knows nothing of football. They surely know all of Lukaku stats, strenghts and weakness. As well how to use him and what style will suit him.

I`m pretty sure a lot of people was questioning Conte decision to get Alonso and bring back Moses. But all of a sudden they perform great and we have fantastic season.

Conte knows what the team needed. He see the problem and wasn`t care about status and how much money we pay for a player. He sold Ivanovic, who was fading and sold Oscar, who was performing like s***.

Mourinho did not see this problem and was keeping them and was putting them into the starting 11 and we see what happen.

Conte knows best and if he want Lukaku, then he is the man for CHELSEA !!!
 

This thread is embarrassing. 

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

No, i said it wasn't horrendous, like you were making it out to be. On another day, he scores those two chances and you say nothing. You overreact to every poor touch and pass from Lukaku and then you go silent when he scores or plays a decent pass.

I literally said I would offer Everton Hazard to get him so how is that making him out to be horrendous? 

5 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Quadruple is ours next season with this guy! 

 

The contrast amazes me he is such a classy finisher, they're is finesse to that part of his game, why he such a clumsy oaf on the ball I can't comprehend, its literally non league standards, surely haz and Pedro will give him some tips their touch is amongst the best in the business, in fact as a team our players are very nice st receiving the ball  ffs just cushion the ball even I know that, if we want to compare him to drog that aspect is night and day drog could control the ball in his teeth as full gallop 

Dominic the donkey 

11 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Quadruple is ours next season with this guy! 

 

One of the most pathetic and immature posters on here. Can't you make a post without being sarcastic or your ridiculous laughing emoji. There is one thing not wanting Lukaku here but you make fun out of a player that is most likely going to be leading our line next season. What kind of supporter are you? Absolutely pathetic. Surprised the mods are not tired of you already like they were on Talk Chelsea. Just seen your age. You apparently are 26. The way you post, I would swear you are a 10 year old. Even that is offensive to a 10 year old because you go on more immature than one. If you are 26 as stated and turning 27 in September, grow the f**k up FFS.