On 2/16/2017 at 09:44, yorkleyblue said:

Oh, where do I start?

"He was instantly the best crosser of the ball we had and he had the best vision." - Total bollocks and revisionist nonsense of the highest order. Give me one, just one, documented example of this when he was playing for us.

"he was also clearly 10x the playmaker Oscar was, and twice the playmaker Hazard was," - Now you are just embarrassing yourself.  A different sort of player to Oscar, but, in his time with us he didn't even show anything to say he was a better playmaker than Mikel, let alone should replace Oscar in his best seasons with us.  10x, FFS.  And then you slip over in your own drool when you get onto Hazard.  Even NOW KDB should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Hazard, he is nowhere near that level and probably never will be.  "Twice the playmaker Hazard was"? - do you even READ your own  posts?

" he should have been kept, deployed in the middle, and simply told to play the Ozil role" - So, an underperforming, flat-track bully, who goes missing in the big games, just like Ozil, should replace Hazard?  

You know what?  I think that no-one could be as stupid as to actually believe that trite bullsh*t you have posted, so I am sure that you are just on a wind-up.  Actually, ARE you @just on a wind-up?  If it is, good one, mate!  You fooled me!

Reading your post, I think you're the one embarrassing yourself. Stop coming for someone & their opinions in this manner when they're talking good of a player. We can disagree, but don't discredit the opinion I & many others hold. I'm not going to begin to point out how much of your post is 'wrong', because it's a waste of time, others would agree too.

On 2/16/2017 at 11:06, yorkleyblue said:

No, what he said was that the Chelsea version of KDB was twice the player that Hazard was and ten times the player that Oscar was in his best season with us, when we all thought Oscar was something greatly special.  Total bollocks.  And other than that pass, when did KDB ever show he deserved a first team place?

I didn't see this post, now things are borderline hilarious. I did not say KDB was twice the player as Hazard, nor did I say he should've replaced him; that's just 2 of the 10+ things in this & your previous post coming at things I didn't even say lol. I said he's twice the playmaker, which he was, and which he still is. Does that discount that Hazard is twice the winger, twice the goal-getter, twice the special piece of magic? I don't think so. 

When did I say he's 10x better than Oscar? Again, I highlighted him being 10x the better playmaker, not the better player. 

You're not very sharp, and you're in an argument with yourself fighting points nobody made. Now don't *try* to insult people again or more than just myself will highlight how damn stupid you are.

Edited February 18, 20179 yr by Katyusha

On 2/17/2017 at 09:30, yorkleyblue said:

We'll have to disagree about the Hazard comparison, then.  At the time, I didn't think that KDB was as good a playmaker as Mikel

ARE YOU MOURINHO IN DISGUISE? (no, because he could muster some class. this final comment alone shows you aren't anywhere near the best at judging players, so shouldn't be the one to call out others for their own views. might have to call you blindleyblue from this day on.)

Edited February 18, 20179 yr by Katyusha

29 minutes ago, Katyusha said:

We can disagree, but don't discredit the opinion I & many others hold. I'm not going to begin to point out how much of your post is 'wrong', because it's a waste of time,

 

26 minutes ago, Katyusha said:

I didn't see this post, now things are borderline hilarious.

You're not very sharp, and you're in an argument with yourself fighting points nobody made. Now don't *try* to insult people again or more than just myself will highlight how damn stupid you are.

 

24 minutes ago, Katyusha said:

ARE YOU MOURINHO IN DISGUISE? (no, because he could muster some class. this final comment alone shows you aren't anywhere near the best at judging players, so shouldn't be the one to call out others for their own views. might have to call you blindleyblue from this day on.)

Breathtaking hypocrisy....

10 minutes ago, dkw said:

 

 

Breathtaking hypocrisy....

Don't make me do same with you...

In the first post you quote, I don't elaborate on the depths of how his post is wrong, like stated, and yet even If I choose to in the future, I'm not held at ransom to not do-so, so I just ight.

Next part you've quoted - I'm referring to a different comment, in a different post, attacking his failure to read my posts thoroughly. I fail to see me discrediting an opinion, like I said he shouldn't do, so, still waiting for the hypocrisy you're highlighting to show up.

3rd - If you can't discern sarcasm, and the difference between thoughtful posts which just spring into 'ARE YOU MOURINHO IN DISGUISE?' out of nowhere, I may have to ask you to add me to ignore.

Thanks for the hyperbole though, you're adding a lot to what was supposed to be a discussion about players. Top lad I just hope your next 30 thousand posts are more insightful, or more interesting.

Edited February 18, 20179 yr by Katyusha

This is your discussion style where you write something then when questioned abuse someone or just dont answer it? Yeah, thats a great way of discussing things. You bring so much to this forum....

On 02/18/2017 at 14:55, Katyusha said:

Don't make me do same with you...

 

On 19/02/2017 at 13:53, Maksimov said:

 

I'd say I'm moved, but can a deity really be moved? Are we not everywhere? 

I agree with some of what Katyusha says about KDB . Great crosser, 10x the player Oscar was when played in the same position. 

But Katyusha, if you don't watch your "attack is the best form of defense" style on this board you're unlikely to enjoy yourself very much or even have a meaningful discussion with anybody.

As much as people have opposing views, we are all on the same side in here. So chill out a little bit and have some fun, otherwise you'll just go down the same route as so many before you.

On 14-2-2017 at 16:15, yorkleyblue said:

I don't think anyone thought he was sh*t after his stint in Germany, but he was pretty piss-poor while he was with us. Maybe had one good half, was dire against the mighty Swindon Town, and wasn't willing to stay and improve to win his place.  He had a good deal of improvement in Germany, and is doing quite well at City, but he still goes missing a lot in some of the big matches.

No-one can give me any clear reason, based on his performances for us, why he would have walked into our first team as a regular starter.  If they can, I'll be happy to apologise.

That's not correct, Yorkleyblue.

On 16-2-2017 at 12:06, yorkleyblue said:

 when did KDB ever show he deserved a first team place?

In America.

He should have played the final against Bayern Munich.

 

That was Mourinho's first mistake!

 

13 hours ago, Krc-fan said:

That's not correct, Yorkleyblue.

You;ll need to be a bit more specific and convincing than that.

13 hours ago, Krc-fan said:

In America.

He should have played the final against Bayern Munich.

 

That was Mourinho's first mistake!

 

Do you mean the pre-season series of friendlies in America? The matches when even I would have looked a decent prospect while all of our team (and all of the other teams as well) were just getting back into shape after their holidays?

Mourinho's first mistake? Are you getting just a little bit confused? And who would you have dropped from the first team against Bayern to make way for KDB who had shown nothing to justify that in competitive matches?  

57 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

You;ll need to be a bit more specific and convincing than that.

Do you mean the pre-season series of friendlies in America? The matches when even I would have looked a decent prospect while all of our team (and all of the other teams as well) were just getting back into shape after their holidays?

Mourinho's first mistake? Are you getting just a little bit confused? And who would you have dropped from the first team against Bayern to make way for KDB who had shown nothing to justify that in competitive matches?  

KDB played very well in the first league game so was in the first team. After that Mourinho took a dislike and he had very few apperances to really know how it would if worked out.

Like Batman this year, some people don't think he is good enough from 2 mins of football.

Batmans season is over now, got a reserved seat on the bench.

I would love him to get more time but it is obvious that Costa is by far the better player. I'd play Mitchy in the cup but then again Conte said he is looking to get results and not to please everyone. We have United next and he surely won't start that game, hell even won't be brought on later on. We have to have a back up for Costa, if he isn't good enough for Conte we should reconsider selling or loaning him and bringing in a new striker. I personally feel he is a great player with loads of potential but has a brilliant striker on form ahead of him and not enough games for them to share. Gonna be a big summer for him that is for sure.

Has been a very frustrating season for him but I hope he sticks around next season and we keep faith in him. He is a very good striker as evident by his goals for Marseille and he still is only 23. Next season we will most certainly be in the UCL and he should get more opportunities as the schedule will be congested and there will be games where we will play an 'easier' opponent where there won't be me much risk starting him. But because we are only competing for 2 trophies, just been difficult for a lot of the younger ones. Next season should be more excitement to see the younger ones and hopefully the likes of Batshuayi who I really think has been unlucky.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

KDB played very well in the first league game so was in the first team. After that Mourinho took a dislike and he had very few apperances to really know how it would if worked out.

Like Batman this year, some people don't think he is good enough from 2 mins of football.

As to the first bolded bit, I'm not sure that he did, but I'll take your word for it.   For the second, that is just tin-foil helmet silliness.  In the world of top-class professional football, you are trying to tell me that one of the top managers in the world (regardless of what some muppets think) would deliberately weaken his team because he had taken "a dislike" to a player?

My point was that someone said KDB should have played in the Munich final.  That is just wrong.  Anyway, my point is still that KDB showed very little whilst a Chelsea player to warrant a first team place and I have said that I am happy to apologise and change my view if ANYONE can give me ANY proof that he was performing well enough AT THAT TIME.

(Capitals for emphasis)

Edited February 23, 20179 yr by yorkleyblue

15 hours ago, Krc-fan said:

In America.

He should have played the final against Bayern Munich.

 

That was Mourinho's first mistake!

 

I may be wrong but didn't De Bruyne badly twist his knee in pre season just before this game against Bayern?? I remember a volleyed goal followed by an awkward landing i just can't remember when it was.

4 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

As to the first bolded bit, I'm not sure that he did, but I'll take your word for it.   For the second, that is just tin-foil helmet silliness.  In the world of top-class professional football, you are trying to tell me that one of the top managers in the world (regardless of what some muppets think) would deliberately weaken his team because he had taken "a dislike" to a player?

My point was that someone said KDB should have played in the Munich final.  That is just wrong.  Anyway, my point is still that KDB showed very little whilst a Chelsea player to warrant a first team place and I have said that I am happy to apologise and change my view if ANYONE can give me ANY proof that he was performing well enough AT THAT TIME.

(Capitals for emphasis)

I personally thought he was our best player that game.  We played Hull

21 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

As to the first bolded bit, I'm not sure that he did, but I'll take your word for it.   For the second, that is just tin-foil helmet silliness.  In the world of top-class professional football, you are trying to tell me that one of the top managers in the world (regardless of what some muppets think) would deliberately weaken his team because he had taken "a dislike" to a player?

My point was that someone said KDB should have played in the Munich final.  That is just wrong.  Anyway, my point is still that KDB showed very little whilst a Chelsea player to warrant a first team place and I have said that I am happy to apologise and change my view if ANYONE can give me ANY proof that he was performing well enough AT THAT TIME.

(Capitals for emphasis)

KDB did play very well in the first game, i remember thinking how glad I was having him back. Something obviously happened between Mourinho and KDB, what exactly happened we will never know.

Of course KDB showed very little in a Chelsea shirt because he barely played and I'm pretty sure his future was settled in September. The point I'm making is nothing was shown either way because he never had the opportunites.

1 hour ago, TrueBlueBIH said:

I would love him to get more time but it is obvious that Costa is by far the better player. I'd play Mitchy in the cup but then again Conte said he is looking to get results and not to please everyone. We have United next and he surely won't start that game, hell even won't be brought on later on. We have to have a back up for Costa, if he isn't good enough for Conte we should reconsider selling or loaning him and bringing in a new striker. I personally feel he is a great player with loads of potential but has a brilliant striker on form ahead of him and not enough games for them to share. Gonna be a big summer for him that is for sure.

I don't think anyone can expect Batman to start over Costa. I just don't understand why Batman barely gets a look in as a sub. Sometimes give Costa a rest or easily could of brought Batman on for Hazard last weekend. To keep bringing a forward on for 2mins which is a good game for him gets to the point it's taking the p***. We could all just about run on for 20seconds, should of just brought Drogba back if that was the plan and let him have another league medal.

Just now, Ernie_blue said:

KDB did play very well in the first game, i remember thinking how glad I was having him back. Something obviously happened between Mourinho and KDB, what exactly happened we will never know.

Of course KDB showed very little in a Chelsea shirt because he barely played and I'm pretty sure his future was settled in September. The point I'm making is nothing was shown either way because he never had the opportunites.

Fair enough, but to claim managerial dislike as a reason seems to me to much less likely than the player in question was consistently showing nothing in daily training to warrant a starting place. 

We won't know the true reasons until both KDB and Mourinho release their autobiographies, but I will stick with my view that, whenever he did get a chance, he was pants (except for the first game, is that is what happened) and I wouldn't have picked him based on performance.  AND, I still say that, even now, he is largely hit-or-miss.  Sometimes he can play a world-class pass or dribble like a proper professional, but most of the time that I see him (which I accept is not every match) he seems to have poor decision-making capabilities, doesn't turn up if things aren't going for City and bottles crucial situations.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

I don't think anyone can expect Batman to start over Costa. I just don't understand why Batman barely gets a look in as a sub. Sometimes give Costa a rest or easily could of brought Batman on for Hazard last weekend. To keep bringing a forward on for 2mins which is a good game for him gets to the point it's taking the p***. We could all just about run on for 20seconds, should of just brought Drogba back if that was the plan and let him have another league medal.

Costa is like we both know always the starter, and i agree at some point Michy had to get more time. Why didn't he it is all up to Conte, is he satisfied with him? does he rate him? All unsolved questions even though he praised him after the few cup games and regards him as a good pro. I also don't think the 1 minute cameo's are helping him at all. 

4 hours ago, Van Butsen said:

I personally thought he was our best player that game.  We played Hull

Oscar was our best player in that game by a long distance.

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

Oscar was our best player in that game by a long distance.

Yep the consensus say that, but people also said otherwise, so a matter of perspective there.