6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

If you truly believe that, and aren't just using hyperbole, fairly ineptly it must be said,  as a debating tool, then you have very little or no understanding of football at any level.

Now, we know and accept that you do have a rudimentary grasp of some of the elements of football.  Therefore, you are just being argumentative and exaggerating to make a laboured point.  But well done, you, for having a plucky go.

Oh, and at the start of the season you were mostly moaning because Emerson wasn't getting a "fair" chance to stake his claim to the first team position.   When he has had a chance, he's hardly become a contender for the Ballon D'Or, has he?

sh*te is harsh, perhaps 89 minutes of missing tackles and being out of position. 

You've not really countered what i've said, just talked down your nose at someone again trying to make them look daft and offering nothing to the discussion.

Pre-season i wanted Emerson to be given a go for the exact reason that we are now seeing with Alonso. Poor defender and no pace. Alonso started the season well so i credited him and admitted i was pleasantly surprised. Now once again i am right with my original opinion and Alonso is struggling. It's no coincidence that most of the things i get called out for come true eventually. Lets see Emerson play with the starting 11 and see how he'd do.

18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

sh*te is harsh, perhaps 89 minutes of missing tackles and being out of position.

Again, gross exaggeration and hyperbole.m  My previous comments apply.

And again with the Emerson.  Yes, we know you love him and RLC, but I like Emerson and I can see that he is a downgrade on Alonso, in or out of form. 

I don't remember one single performance from Emerson anything above poor-to-average, your typical 4-5/10.  If there was an outstanding MOTM performance that I have missed, I'm sure that you will point that out to me, with supporting evidence from Youtube.

I'm not convinced that Alonso is the way forward for us, and, at the moment, he is far from at his best, but, on performances so far, if Emerson is the answer, it was a f**king silly question in the first place.

Now Ruben, I'll give you that, the lad is coming along nicely.

I just don't know why Kante can adjust to the system but Alonso can't adjust to the back 4? 

Both aren't playing that well, just when you're a defender and you make a mistake at the back it's obviously a lot more critical, just like when you're a keeper. 

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Again, gross exaggeration and hyperbole.m  My previous comments apply.

And again with the Emerson.  Yes, we know you love him and RLC, but I like Emerson and I can see that he is a downgrade on Alonso, in or out of form. 

I don't remember one single performance from Emerson anything above poor-to-average, your typical 4-5/10.  If there was an outstanding MOTM performance that I have missed, I'm sure that you will point that out to me, with supporting evidence from Youtube.

I'm not convinced that Alonso is the way forward for us, and, at the moment, he is far from at his best, but, on performances so far, if Emerson is the answer, it was a f**king silly question in the first place.

Now Ruben, I'll give you that, the lad is coming along nicely.

Have we seen Emerson play with the usual 11 though? I've seen him in Italy and he was class, hence why i rate him highly. I'm just waiting for someone to give him say 4 or 5 games with Hazard, Jorginho, Kovacic, Luiz etc. and see what he can do then.

Emerson had a good game tonight and against tougher opposition than we've faced in the EL. Cup is half full!

13 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Have we seen Emerson play with the usual 11 though? I've seen him in Italy and he was class, hence why i rate him highly. I'm just waiting for someone to give him say 4 or 5 games with Hazard, Jorginho, Kovacic, Luiz etc. and see what he can do then.

Fair enough.  Didn't think he did all that well last night, to be hones, but why don't we phone Sarri and get him to pick 4 or 5 matches where the result doesn't really matter and give him a go.

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Fair enough.  Didn't think he did all that well last night, to be hones, but why don't we phone Sarri and get him to pick 4 or 5 matches where the result doesn't really matter and give him a go.

Don't think we need 4 or 5 games where the results don't matter as he won't offer a drop off in what Alonso is currently offering. 

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Don't think we need 4 or 5 games where the results don't matter as he won't offer a drop off in what Alonso is currently offering. 

You think.  The evidence isn't really there at the moment, though.

Edited December 20, 20187 yr by yorkleyblue

7 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

You think.  The evidence isn't really there at the moment, though.

Never know until you try though. Proof is in the pudding that Alonso is struggling, can't see Emerson getting rinsed as much and holds his position well.

23 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Fair enough.  Didn't think he did all that well last night, to be hones, but why don't we phone Sarri and get him to pick 4 or 5 matches where the result doesn't really matter and give him a go.

Yeah I was a bit disappointed in him last night to be honest. Had a great opportunity to really shine, and although he wasn't bad, he didn't stand out as particularly impressive for me.

24 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Fair enough.  Didn't think he did all that well last night, to be hones, but why don't we phone Sarri and get him to pick 4 or 5 matches where the result doesn't really matter and give him a go.

I thought he had a good game. A few little mistakes but overall he was good at both ends. With Hazard liking to cut in it gave him more of a chance to overlap and offer an option more when he came on. 

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Never know until you try though. Proof is in the pudding that Alonso is struggling, can't see Emerson getting rinsed as much and holds his position well.

I never watched him in Italy, so can't say about that, but for us I really haven't seen him to anything to show he is an upgrade or even an equivalent to Alonso, who, yes, is struggling a bit to adapt at the moment, as is a lot of the team.

5 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Yeah I was a bit disappointed in him last night to be honest. Had a great opportunity to really shine, and although he wasn't bad, he didn't stand out as particularly impressive for me.

 

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

I thought he had a good game. A few little mistakes but overall he was good at both ends. With Hazard liking to cut in it gave him more of a chance to overlap and offer an option more when he came on. 

Just what you have to love about football.  Two people watch exactly the same match and have two different opinions about a particular player.

3 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

 

Just what you have to love about football.  Two people watch exactly the same match and have two different opinions about a particular player.

To be fair they’re sort of the same. Good without being fantastic. I think it’s our expectations from the player that differ, hence Kentonio feeling a bit disappointed while I’m happier with the performance. 

Yeah, that's what I meant.  Two views of one thing.  You were happy, I thought it was not great.  I posted above - what I've seen of the lad has always been around the 4-5/10 level

29 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Yeah I was a bit disappointed in him last night to be honest. Had a great opportunity to really shine, and although he wasn't bad, he didn't stand out as particularly impressive for me.

I thought he was average, though his crossing is terrible, I cant remember one good one into the box, he always seems to overhit them. And after Alonso seemingly being targeted in defence by the opposition I though it was interesting to see Bournemouth targeting that side also much more than the other.

Edited December 20, 20187 yr by dkw

I thought he was average, though his crossing is terrible, I cant remember one good one into the box, he always seems to overhit them. And after Alonso seemingly being targeted in defence by the opposition I though it was interesting to see Bournemouth targeting that side also much more than the other.

Well to be fair. You'd be a fool to target Azpi, he's not going to let you passed.

4 minutes ago, CFCholland said:

36 minutes ago, dkw said:

I thought he was average, though his crossing is terrible, I cant remember one good one into the box, he always seems to overhit them. And after Alonso seemingly being targeted in defence by the opposition I though it was interesting to see Bournemouth targeting that side also much more than the other.

Well to be fair. You'd be a fool to target Azpi, he's not going to let you passed.

On the rare occasion you do there’s still Rudiger to contend with. 

2 hours ago, CFCholland said:

2 hours ago, dkw said:

I thought he was average, though his crossing is terrible, I cant remember one good one into the box, he always seems to overhit them. And after Alonso seemingly being targeted in defence by the opposition I though it was interesting to see Bournemouth targeting that side also much more than the other.

Well to be fair. You'd be a fool to target Azpi, he's not going to let you passed.

Good point ha ha...it makes you wonder if its not so much Alonso thats being targeted but our entire left side is perceived as weak.

Edited December 20, 20187 yr by dkw

you mean the left right, right?

 

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

you mean the left right, right?

 

No idea what your on about........

 

 

 

 

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On 20/12/2018 at 07:10, dkw said:

Good point ha ha...it makes you wonder if its not so much Alonso thats being targeted but our entire left side is perceived as weak.

Just Alonso and his complete lack of pace. U get past Luiz on the counter and you are through on goal.

Marcos thrived in Conte's system because he had three CBs at the back covering for him, so he was free to roam on the left and do his thing. In Sarri's 4-3-3 his lack of pace is being exposed and the team's suffering as a result.

He's the best attacking full back we've got but probably isn't the best fit for the way Sarri wants his team to set up.

19 minutes ago, abramovich said:

his lack of pace is being exposed and the team's suffering as a result.

Bingo. It should be clear for everyone to see but for some reason many people in here seems to get all kinds of defensive when we highlight the problem with Alonso.
Under Conte he had Cahill covering his behind at all times, he's a wingback and it's a completely different position.

Much better today i thought.