43 minutes ago, enigma said:

Didn't realise drogba scored 28 goals in 9/10. Is that legit? 

Lamps scored 22 that season aswell, played some great football then under Carlo.

2 hours ago, Andy North said:

I really can't work out what Morata's problem is at the moment. He was awful at the end of last season, this pre-season and didn't have a good game against Huddersfield.

I'm looking for signs that he might get a goal soon but is it me or is he not getting the chances? From memory he had one half chance against Huddersfield. That really isn't enough service.

Perhaps if he gets more chances he can regain his confidence.

Most strikers only get so many chances, it's not as if they are guaranteed a set amount every game, sometimes they get zero, sometimes several. The problem with Alvaro is when they do come his way he doesn't take them.

I mean come on, is it asking too much to ask he makes his owns chances now and again considering he cost £60m-£70m and we smashed our transfer record to buy him from Harrods.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

I mean come on, is it asking too much to ask he makes his owns chances now and again considering he cost £60m-£70m and we smashed our transfer record to buy him from Harrods.

He didn't set the price  blame whoever sanctioned that much.

7 hours ago, Kentonio said:

Oh give it a rest already. Morata had a good start, got injured and then never got his form back. Why exactly are you so determined to sh*t on the guy? It's been one season ffs. Torres had four years, and we still supported him because he was a blue. Morata hasn't embarrased the club, he just dropped off in a difficult season, but he was still out there trying, and he's clearly trying now as we go into the new season. Cut the guy some fecking slack while he adapts to the new system. 

Once this guy has an agenda that's it, you can't change his opinion on it it's how he rolls. 

If RLC is playing in the Championship in a few years he won't change his mind on his ability or potential. Whereas I, admittedly a fan of Morata have defended him and criticised him, I'm giving a fair assessment of him, not sh*tting on him constantly because I dislike the guy. I've also given Bakayoko a good assessment whenever he played well he just rarely did play well. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, I'll admit it, if Morata has another sh*t season and @coco was right all along then so be it, at the end of the day we are both disappointed because ultimately we want what's best for the club. As for RIP Mourinho I'm not that sure, I think being right is more important. 

I can completely see what Yorkley is talking about now.

5 hours ago, coco said:

He must be on here with multiple accounts by the look of it.

Guilty

18 minutes ago, Slojo said:

ultimately we want what's best for the club.

I'll be going to watch him several times this season, you can be sure i want to see him scoring and playing well, i don't like journey home when i'm sad..

59 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Once this guy has an agenda that's it, you can't change his opinion on it it's how he rolls. 

If RLC is playing in the Championship in a few years he won't change his mind on his ability or potential. Whereas I, admittedly a fan of Morata have defended him and criticised him, I'm giving a fair assessment of him, not sh*tting on him constantly because I dislike the guy. I've also given Bakayoko a good assessment whenever he played well he just rarely did play well. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, I'll admit it, if Morata has another sh*t season and @coco was right all along then so be it, at the end of the day we are both disappointed because ultimately we want what's best for the club. As for RIP Mourinho I'm not that sure, I think being right is more important. 

I can completely see what Yorkley is talking about now.

So when Morata continues to be sh*t you'll admit Coco was right but not me, even though we have the same opinion? Strange from you. You can change my opinion if you are right, just saying 'give the guy another chance' is pathetic and rightly so isn't going to change my opinion. 

Not my fault i call out players and managers before others and not just blindly follow people that aren't helping Chelsea in any way.

I called out Mourinho before everyone else and was abused for it on this forum. He took us down hill and now everyone can agree he was destructive.

I called out Conte around Christmas last year and was once again abused for it. Oh look, he led us to underperming and was sacked. I think most can now agree he was destructive in his second season.

I've called out Morata now and you can't accept it. In a year when he leaves for half his value i'm sure most will once more agree with my opinion that he isn't what is best for Chelsea.

Follow Yorkley as much as you'd like, if he had it his way i imagine Mourinho would still be in charge and the 'three rats' would have been sold.

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So when Morata continues to be sh*t you'll admit Coco was right but not me, even though we have the same opinion? Strange from you. You can change my opinion if you are right, just saying 'give the guy another chance' is pathetic and rightly so isn't going to change my opinion. 

Not my fault i call out players and managers before others and not just blindly follow people that aren't helping Chelsea in any way.

I called out Mourinho before everyone else and was abused for it on this forum. He took us down hill and now everyone can agree he was destructive.

I called out Conte around Christmas last year and was once again abused for it. Oh look, he led us to underperming and was sacked. I think most can now agree he was destructive in his second season.

I've called out Morata now and you can't accept it. In a year when he leaves for half his value i'm sure most will once more agree with my opinion that he isn't what is best for Chelsea.

Follow Yorkley as much as you'd like, if he had it his way i imagine Mourinho would still be in charge and the 'three rats' would have been sold.

Obviously the same applies to you.

I just think you're far too full off kneejerk reactions and you never change your opinion on something once you make up your mind. You've disliked Morata from day one and that's fine by the way, I disliked Bakayoko from day one (as a player of course) and I turned out to be right about not signing him, I wish I wasn't. I think a lot of people on here didn't want Bakayoko anyway after watching his Champions League performances for Monaco. 

Morata was a player I wanted when he was at Juventus and I particularly wanted him over Lukaku, sadly it looks like it's not working and I was wrong, but it is what it is. He still had a good start even if you disagree with that, I'll make my mind up on this season if he comes good or not, we've only played one game so far and he wasn't good or bad in it. But I think people jumping at his throat over this performance was just unusual, our problems didn't really lie to Morata, he barely got the service and I thought he was good whenever he came into contact with the ball even though I wish he could have done more with it. 

Saying "I can't accept it" ie your criticism is an absolute myth, I definitely can because I've criticised him myself and even joked about his bottling during the summer because his finishing was that bad. You're not the Oracle of truth, you don't see something everyone else doesn't, you're just highly negative on most things and we go through a lot of managers, you were probably calling for Mourinho to be sacked the second he lost two games in a row, we go through managers all the time and there's no saying Conte couldn't have picked up and had a better season this season (unlikely but possible). So saying "I was right about this manager getting sacked" is not really an accomplishment is it, and there's no saying that giving those managers another year would have been bad for us, you don't know that get off your high horse. 

If you're right about Morata then you're right about him, I still think you're a highly negative person when it comes to a player you've already made your mind up on, hence why you constantly scapegoat him in a game where it was difficult for anyone to praise or criticise him. But anyway this is getting tiresome, like I said you do you, you've made your mind up on it I'm not going to keep going over this. 

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Obviously the same applies to you.

I just think you're far too full off kneejerk reactions and you never change your opinion on something once you make up your mind. You've disliked Morata from day one and that's fine by the way, I disliked Bakayoko from day one (as a player of course) and I turned out to be right about not signing him, I wish I wasn't. I think a lot of people on here didn't want Bakayoko anyway after watching his Champions League performances for Monaco. 

Morata was a player I wanted when he was at Juventus and I particularly wanted him over Lukaku, sadly it looks like it's not working and I was wrong, but it is what it is. He still had a good start even if you disagree with that, I'll make my mind up on this season if he comes good or not, we've only played one game so far and he wasn't good or bad in it. But I think people jumping at his throat over this performance was just unusual, our problems didn't really lie to Morata, he barely got the service and I thought he was good whenever he came into contact with the ball even though I wish he could have done more with it. 

Saying "I can't accept it" ie your criticism is an absolute myth, I definitely can because I've criticised him myself and even joked about his bottling during the summer because his finishing was that bad. You're not the Oracle of truth, you don't see something everyone else doesn't, you're just highly negative on most things and we go through a lot of managers, you were probably calling for Mourinho to be sacked the second he lost two games in a row, we go through managers all the time and there's no saying Conte couldn't have picked up and had a better season this season (unlikely but possible). So saying "I was right about this manager getting sacked" is not really an accomplishment is it, and there's no saying that giving those managers another year would have been bad for us, you don't know that get off your high horse. 

If you're right about Morata then you're right about him, I still think you're a highly negative person when it comes to a player you've already made your mind up on, hence why you constantly scapegoat him in a game where it was difficult for anyone to praise or criticise him. But anyway this is getting tiresome, like I said you do you, you've made your mind up on it I'm not going to keep going over this. 

I don't dislike Morata as i don't know him, me and him might get on very well and have a lot to talk about over a pint. That said i can recognise he isn't Chelsea quality, as i said so often to @pacquiao before he was signed.

 

Maybe i do see things you don't as it was obvious Mourinho and Conte had either lost the dressing room or key players and giving them an extra year wouldn't change that. 

 

If Morata manages to actually make an impact on games when he isn't scoring and hit 20-25+ goals a season i'll happily eat my words. At the end of the day we just want Chelsea to be successful.

14 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Morata has played 50 games and scored 15 goals thus far in his Chelsea career. So a ratio of 0.30.

Torres played 172 and scored 45 goals. So a ratio of 0.26.

Please tell me again how they aren't comparable pmsl. You're far too biased if you think they aren't on the same level. 

That's a completely misleading and dangerous use of stats. You need to look at minutes, not appearances.

Morata (2017-18): 0.48 NPG/90, 0.26 A/90

Torres (2011-2014): 0.25 NPG/90, 0.30 A/90

Morata, in his first season in a new league while struggling with injuries and personal issues, scored nearly 2x as many goals as Torres did per minute. He's nearly on-par with Drogba's scoring average of 0.51 NPG/90. If you delve deeper into expected goal stats, or watched any of his performances during the second half of the season, you'd see there's even more potential for goals with the chances he missed, and finishing as a skill is far more fluid than having great anticipation, movement and positioning, which Morata absolutely does have.

Edited August 13, 20187 yr by Shade8780

4 hours ago, coco said:

i don't like journey home when i'm sad..

If you need a cuddle after a game coco just let me know! 

I hope he scores 10 this year and our midfield pulls some goals in too. 

47 minutes ago, Shade8780 said:

That's a completely misleading and dangerous use of stats. You need to look at minutes, not appearances.

Morata (2017-18): 0.48 NPG/90, 0.26 A/90

Torres (2011-2014): 0.25 NPG/90, 0.30 A/90

Morata, in his first season in a new league while struggling with injuries and personal issues, scored nearly 2x as many goals as Torres did per minute. He's nearly on-par with Drogba's scoring average of 0.51 NPG/90. If you delve deeper into expected goal stats, or watched any of his performances during the second half of the season, you'd see there's even more potential for goals with the chances he missed, and finishing as a skill is far more fluid than having great anticipation, movement and positioning, which Morata absolutely does have.

Yep he's used those stats before at his Juventus/Madrid career to suit his narrative.

Morata has so many caps for Juve but not that many minutes, when you look at his minutes for Madrid & Juve they're actually good. Demba Ba had a f**k load of caps for Chelsea but Jose kept bringing him on the 90th minute with 2 minutes to play, Demba Ba's goals to minutes ratio was actually very good here, but his goals to game not so much, very misleading. 

1 hour ago, Semper Fi said:

I hope he scores 10 this year and our midfield pulls some goals in too. 

I hope he scores a lot more than that.

9 hours ago, Shade8780 said:

That's a completely misleading and dangerous use of stats. You need to look at minutes, not appearances.

Morata (2017-18): 0.48 NPG/90, 0.26 A/90

Torres (2011-2014): 0.25 NPG/90, 0.30 A/90

Morata, in his first season in a new league while struggling with injuries and personal issues, scored nearly 2x as many goals as Torres did per minute. He's nearly on-par with Drogba's scoring average of 0.51 NPG/90. If you delve deeper into expected goal stats, or watched any of his performances during the second half of the season, you'd see there's even more potential for goals with the chances he missed, and finishing as a skill is far more fluid than having great anticipation, movement and positioning, which Morata absolutely does have.

Yet Michy doubled even Morata's tally and we got rid of him for this bum.

The bit i've highlighted is a load of sh*t to be honest. If his finishing in his career to date is to go by its just more potential for misses and for people to then use this as an excuse for why his confidence is low. Expected goal stats are sh*te as we've discussed so many times on this forum, much like key passes and even assists. 

On another point, what website do you use for minutes played by a player in all comps for a certain club. All i can find is matches played and goals scored, hence the above stats i offered (Obviously Slojo thinks this is some kind of stat conspiracy against Morata bless his fragile soul )

9 hours ago, Munkworth said:

If you need a cuddle after a game coco just let me know! 

Dont fall for it coco, its a trap. I fell for it and I dont think I will ever recover.....

8 hours ago, Slojo said:

Yep he's used those stats before at his Juventus/Madrid career to suit his narrative.

Morata has so many caps for Juve but not that many minutes, when you look at his minutes for Madrid & Juve they're actually good. Demba Ba had a f**k load of caps for Chelsea but Jose kept bringing him on the 90th minute with 2 minutes to play, Demba Ba's goals to minutes ratio was actually very good here, but his goals to game not so much, very misleading. 

Or for another argument, he doesn't have many minutes as all these teams realised, and quite rigtly so, that Morata wasn't fit to lead the line so only trusted him in a back up role to come on against tired legs. If i remember correctly he was fighting for minutes against and aging Teves, Llorente and Matri in his first year. Not exactly encouraging signs. 

12 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

................some self-justifying stuff or other - yet another spat started with a poster............starting to  be a trend..................and then...................

Follow Yorkley as much as you'd like, if he had it his way i imagine Mourinho would still be in charge and the 'three rats' would have been sold.

What on earth would possess you to think that?  When have i ever posted anything at all that would  indicate that to be my opinion?

Really, mate,  you need to stop attributing some sort of twisted interpretation of your understanding of people's posts to them as fact. 

And,  whilst I'm here, your very selective use of statistics culled from dubious sources to support your, frankly, odd view  of the world of football appears to be simply provocative attempts to wind people  up.  It's totally indicative  of what I believe young people refer to as "trolling"

Just now, yorkleyblue said:

What on earth would possess you to think that?  When have i ever posted anything at all that would  indicate that to be my opinion?

Really, mate,  you need to stop attributing some sort of twisted interpretation of your understanding of people's posts to them as fact. 

And,  whilst I'm here, your very selective use of statistics culled from dubious sources to support your, frankly, odd view  of the world of football appears to be simply provocative attempts to wind people  up.  It's totally indicative  of what I believe young people refer to as "trolling"

I remember you being behind Mourinho at the time, hence the comment. 

I'm not stating it as fact, as you can see by my use of 'i imagine'. Its an imaginary scenario, YB. 

Stats can be interpreted in any way, regardless of which facts i post. I can post his goal to game ratio and be told its not reflective as he was brought on as a sub. Someone else can post his goal to minute ratio and someone can then point out he got fewer minutes as he wasn't trusted to lead the line and nothing more than an impact sub. 

I'm interested in what you think my odd view of world football is? The fact that i think a Striker isn't Chelsea quality? Not really that odd, infact your inability to still not see KdB's talent whilst he was with us is more odd. 

I've also noticed your defensive tactics on here of calling anyway that doesn't agree with you a troll, I noticed the same trait with YouLots. Funny.

Anyway, we've been getting on better on these forums lately so i don't want to start an argument or anything between us.

41 minutes ago, dkw said:

Dont fall for it coco, its a trap. I fell for it and I dont think I will ever recover.....

Torres and Morata both failed badly, Morata is still in the team, so he can turn it around (but i doubt), Torres is long gone and whilst he was a failure of huge proportions for us, he was involved in some of our greatest ever moments in our history, for that alone i will always be thankful to him, Morata could also help us win in Europe this season, but it won't compare to Torres against Barca and Bayern. Without Torres winning that corner in the final minutes of the CL final, Drogba would not be the legend he is now, and Chelsea would still be dreaming.

51 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I remember you being behind Mourinho at the time, hence the comment. 

I'm not stating it as fact, as you can see by my use of 'i imagine'. Its an imaginary scenario, YB. 

Stats can be interpreted in any way, regardless of which facts i post. I can post his goal to game ratio and be told its not reflective as he was brought on as a sub. Someone else can post his goal to minute ratio and someone can then point out he got fewer minutes as he wasn't trusted to lead the line and nothing more than an impact sub. 

I'm interested in what you think my odd view of world football is? The fact that i think a Striker isn't Chelsea quality? Not really that odd, infact your inability to still not see KdB's talent whilst he was with us is more odd. 

I've also noticed your defensive tactics on here of calling anyway that doesn't agree with you a troll, I noticed the same trait with YouLots. Funny.

Anyway, we've been getting on better on these forums lately so i don't want to start an argument or anything between us.

Then  you mis-remember, imaginarily or otherwise.  That;'s what I mean about attributing opinions incorrectly.

I don't have any great trust in stats sites, as you know, neither the ones that you post nor the ones that others post in opposition to the ones that you post, and, other than the just simply silly ones that you use to support an argument (like the other day, some site that also had us winning the league last season), as many others have said, stats are subjective and can be used to prove whatever you want them to prove.  Statistically, there may be numbers on both sides, but actually watching the two players,  for  me Morata brings more to the table as a team player than Michy/  Personally,  I'd rather be in the position where we could accommodate them both, but I like Giroud and Tammy as well,  so what is a man to do?

Your"odd view of the world OF football" (note,  OF football,  not world  football) is,  in my opinion,  that you have very specific favourites and promote them again and again with very little other than personal preference to justify why.  You like  Michy,  Emerson and RLC, we all know that, but,  other than gut feeling or because you want it,  you don't really come up with any justification why any of them should displace whoever it is that they would replace,  and fall back on the age-old canard of "they didn't get a fair chance" or "the manager didn't like them".  Michy  is a better 6-yard box poacher,  but less of a team asset than either Morata or Giroud, Emerson is probably on a par with Alonso in my mind, so would need to justify replacing him by being better,  not just because he's new and shiny.  RLC's position is, I'll grant you, a poser.   I have always liked the lad,  and had great hopes.  He's never really reached the level that I expected, and I can see why we had to by a new midfield,  but I hope he get's some sensible  match time this season so that we can see exactly where he stands in the pecking order.  I fear that he has reached his level, shining for Palace, but I hope not.

You say I had, and still have, an inability to see KdB's talent when he was with us.   You know that I have asked, even demanded,  on many occasions, an example of that talent being displayed in a Chelsea shirt, and all I have ever been told is "he had 20 minutes when he looked quite good in a pre-season match and he had a good half against Hull in the league".  Other than that, all I get is "Well I KNEW  back then, HONEST".  His pretty poor performances, along with his own admission that he didn't want to wait for a first team place,  and his reported poor attitude in training and towards the manager and his team-mates all conspired to contribute to getting rid of him.  I still say that anyone who says that they knew 5 or 6 years ago how good he would be now is lying or deluding themselves.  Kakuta, McCreachan,  blah, blah, blah... all had potential. Kdb could as easily have ended up playing for Coventry or the like.

Anyway, you're right, we have been getting on better these days.  Just do what I tell you and all will be well.  You know it makes sense.

Edited August 14, 20187 yr by yorkleyblue

3 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

 

Anyway, you're right, we have been getting on better these days.  Just do what I tell you and all will be well.  You know it makes sense.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Dont fall for it coco, its a trap. I fell for it and I dont think I will ever recover.....