18 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We just gonna pretend that Jorginho didn't play against Liverpool with Kovacic and Kante beside him?

Jorginho is never keeping RLC on the bench if that’s what you’re implying

6 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Yes, 93% passing rate is all we care these days, let's forget about every other aspects of the game.

Go on, I'm starting to enjoy this..

You are wrong and your strawman won't help. I never claimed that passing accuracy is all I care about as you are trying to imply, I said a midfielder with a 93% accuracy is a very unlikely factor for not having the upper hand in midfield (*edit* Team accuracy was @ 90% in the first 45 minutes and dropped to 85% the second half). Since you somehow can't provide a single example where Kova lost the upper hand and the stats are proving you wrong as well, I will go on. No problem.

Much respect to your gut feeling though.

Edited September 7, 20196 yr by Vagabond

36 minutes ago, RJBOfficial said:

Jorginho is never keeping RLC on the bench if that’s what you’re implying

Well RLC isn't playing in the same role so its irrelevant. RLC will be competing with Mount/Ross. 

Jorginho is a top player in his role. Kovacic is bang average in his own role. We'll see who will be benched first vs Wolves.

21 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Well RLC isn't playing in the same role so its irrelevant. RLC will be competing with Mount/Ross. 

We play 4231 and Ruben/Jorgi/Kova would play in one of the 2 deeper roles, with Kante being a guaranteed starter in the other role

If we switch to 433 it’s possible that RLC and Mount/Kova play together with Kante deeper, again leaving Jorginho on the bench

22 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Jorginho is a top player in his role. Kovacic is bang average in his own role. We'll see who will be benched first vs Wolves.

Strange, didn't Kovacic play on the right and Barkley on the left? Your screenshot also lists Azpi as our best defender against Sheffield and Zouma above Tomori.

Seems like rubbish, though I agree with your point that Jorg played better than Kova.

52 minutes ago, Vagabond said:

Strange, didn't Kovacic play on the right and Barkley on the left? Your screenshot also lists Azpi as our best defender against Sheffield and Zouma above Tomori.

Seems like rubbish, though I agree with your point that Jorg played better than Kova.

The screenshot is from whoscored.com website, I didn't think about what you're saying, I also remember Kovacic being more often on the opposite side from what the screenshot is showing. Good observation! Cheers.

On 07/09/2019 at 14:13, RJBOfficial said:

We play 4231 and Ruben/Jorgi/Kova would play in one of the 2 deeper roles, with Kante being a guaranteed starter in the other role

If we switch to 433 it’s possible that RLC and Mount/Kova play together with Kante deeper, again leaving Jorginho on the bench

It'll be interesting to see who Frank goes with in for his starting 11 once RLC and CHO are fully match fit - Keeper, back four + Kante and one striker. So that leaves Jorginho, Kova, Barkley, RLC, CHO, Mount and Pulisic fighting for the four remaining places. Healthy level of competition there.

3 hours ago, Dixons said:

It'll be interesting to see who Frank goes with in for his starting 11 once RLC and CHO are fully match fit - Keeper, back four + Kante and one striker. So that leaves Jorginho, Kova, Barkley, RLC, CHO, Mount and Pulisic fighting for the four remaining places. Healthy level of competition there.

When everyone’s fit I think our starting XI could look like this:

                      Kepa

James Rudiger Zouma Emerson

                  Kante RLC      

          Willian Mount CHO

                    Tammy

Not exactly my preferred lineup, but still think it’s a good team, with Pulisic, Kovacic, Pedro, Christensen and Giroud/Batshuayi being the main backups

On 06/09/2019 at 17:08, Slojo said:

Oh you're back are you! Where the hell have you been? 

I've been off doing charitable good works and saving fallen women.  :)

On 07/09/2019 at 14:13, RJBOfficial said:

We play 4231 and Ruben/Jorgi/Kova would play in one of the 2 deeper roles, with Kante being a guaranteed starter in the other role

If we switch to 433 it’s possible that RLC and Mount/Kova play together with Kante deeper, again leaving Jorginho on the bench

Jorginho is as much a guaranteed starter as Kante. Ruben will more likely be fighting for that number 10 role. 

If we play 433, no chance Kante plays deeper either. As we saw against Liverpool, Jorginho will sit deep and Kante will be given the freedom to use his energy all over the pitch.

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

I've been off doing charitable good works and saving fallen women.  🙂

Yeah, bet it was you who bloody helped them fall in the first place.... 

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Jorginho is as much a guaranteed starter as Kante. Ruben will more likely be fighting for that number 10 role. 

If we play 433, no chance Kante plays deeper either. As we saw against Liverpool, Jorginho will sit deep and Kante will be given the freedom to use his energy all over the pitch.

Jorginho is nowhere near a guarantee like Kante, there’s nothing which suggests that other than him playing when our other options are injured. As for Ruben, it was Lampard himself who suggested he could play in a deeper role, again putting Jorginho’s role in the team under question 

1 hour ago, RJBOfficial said:

Jorginho is nowhere near a guarantee like Kante, there’s nothing which suggests that other than him playing when our other options are injured. As for Ruben, it was Lampard himself who suggested he could play in a deeper role, again putting Jorginho’s role in the team under question 

A few weeks ago there was talk in the media about Frank toying with the idea of playing Ruben further up. He's shown he  has an eye for goal and a good finisher, so it really would be a waste to play him so far back. 

2 hours ago, RJBOfficial said:

Jorginho is nowhere near a guarantee like Kante, there’s nothing which suggests that other than him playing when our other options are injured. As for Ruben, it was Lampard himself who suggested he could play in a deeper role, again putting Jorginho’s role in the team under question 

If he wants to play Ruben, he goes back to a 433. No way we play without an orchestrator playing deep, we'll never get out our own half.

13 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If he wants to play Ruben, he goes back to a 433. No way we play without an orchestrator playing deep, we'll never get out our own half.

 

14 hours ago, Dixons said:

A few weeks ago there was talk in the media about Frank toying with the idea of playing Ruben further up. He's shown he  has an eye for goal and a good finisher, so it really would be a waste to play him so far back. 

One of Ruben’s best attributes is driving with the ball, using his combined dribbling technique and physical presence. If he starts higher up the pitch he’s less able to do that and could have less impact, he’s brilliant at progressing the ball from deeper areas and maybe the best midfield dribbler in our squad

20 minutes ago, RJBOfficial said:

 

One of Ruben’s best attributes is driving with the ball, using his combined dribbling technique and physical presence. If he starts higher up the pitch he’s less able to do that and could have less impact, he’s brilliant at progressing the ball from deeper areas and maybe the best midfield dribbler in our squad

Hence why we got back to a 4-3-3 if you read my comment. We still need someone to dictate the play from deep, thus Jorginho is vital.

I personally think that 4-3-3 is our best formation however I think Lampard prefers having someone in the Number 10 role to support Abraham centrally so therefore I am unsure if Lampard would use RLC in the advanced role or revert to a 4-3-3 once he is fit and available.

39 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hence why we got back to a 4-3-3 if you read my comment. We still need someone to dictate the play from deep, thus Jorginho is vital.

Jorginho is not a great player, playing passes within a 5 yard range does not make you “vital” to any team especially considering his defensive horror shows, and he does not have the long passing range or dribbling ability to dictate any game in the PL. Again I’m willing to bet he’s not a starting player by the end of the season

3 minutes ago, RJBOfficial said:

Jorginho is not a great player, playing passes within a 5 yard range does not make you “vital” to any team especially considering his defensive horror shows, and he does not have the long passing range or dribbling ability to dictate any game in the PL. Again I’m willing to bet he’s not a starting player by the end of the season

Try and tell me he isn't crucial when it comes to passing out from the back. I'll hedge my bets that he is still starting by the end of the season. Loser donates a tenner to the forum?

1 hour ago, RJBOfficial said:

Jorginho is not a great player, playing passes within a 5 yard range does not make you “vital” to any team especially considering his defensive horror shows, and he does not have the long passing range or dribbling ability to dictate any game in the PL. Again I’m willing to bet he’s not a starting player by the end of the season

I'v grown to like Jorginho, but i think his modest athleticism might be the factor that eventually costs him his place. It looks like Frank is looking to build a team with good pace and movement, which will leave Jorginho standing out like a sore thumb.

I think you can have one player like Jorginho if they are creative enough yet you can not also have someone like Barkley who is also not mobile enough for me.

The problem is Jorginho is not creative at all. In one single match Fabregas was able to complete more dangerous passes than Jorginho in an entire season. 

4 minutes ago, Droopy said:

The problem is Jorginho is not creative at all. In one single match Fabregas was able to complete more dangerous passes than Jorginho in an entire season. 

Creativity is more than just threading a pass through to a striker though agree that is very important it is more he knits together our midfield and keeps us looking to move forward.

I kind of think we are in two modes with the players we have and the way Lampard is looking to play. We largely have possession based players and Lampard seems to favour faster more direct players. With the squad he has inherited he is trying to meld both types in to a team.

3 hours ago, Droopy said:

The problem is Jorginho is not creative at all.

Yes he is.