2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Nothing directly he can do. Just find it interesting he has not condemned Russias invasion.

Not like it matters, before he could even do anything he was called out in the UK parlament just because of his nationality. 

10 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

What is Roman supposed to do, the UK already denied him visa after he has been living in the UK for 10 years. Ukraine toyed with Russia and it seems like the suppose Western allies abandoned them now, let's blame Roman!

They didn't deny him, he cancelled his application.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Nothing directly he can do. Just find it interesting he has not condemned Russias invasion.

More chance he'll condemn the West.

11 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Not like it matters, before he could even do anything he was called out in the UK parlament just because of his nationality. 

Which nationality is that ?

3 minutes ago, coco said:

They didn't deny him, he cancelled his application.

More chance he'll condemn the West.

"canceld application" ok I'm not going into the technicalities of it, I saw what happen.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

"canceld application" ok I'm not going into the technicalities of it, I saw what happen.

Well they certainly did not reject his application like you suggested so stop spouting sh*t.

It's probably not going to happen as Roman seems to have made some moves to distance himself from Putin before, some MPs still want to push for it though but unless you can prove Roman is backing Putin then it would be illegal to just rob a man like that.

Also Roman's daughter posted an anti-Putin message on instagram, surely not done without permission from him.

1 hour ago, coco said:

 

More chance he'll condemn the West.

Thing is we don't know what he really thinks about it. Is all guess work.

As sonic said above surley Roman's daughter would not post such a message without her Dad knowing.

Depends on which daughter, he had an estranged daughter from his early life pre Chelsea, is that  the one or a more recent one? 

I am only aware of a son who has been at some of the matches. 

 

11 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Depends on which daughter, he had an estranged daughter from his early life pre Chelsea, is that  the one or a more recent one? 

I am only aware of a son who has been at some of the matches. 

 

I think that is the estranged daughter.

Zero chance he calls out Putin though. I find it cynical the West are calling for Oligarchs to be sanctioned, are they suggesting they overthrow him? Putin is nuts & if you want to keep hold of your money & stay alive, you keep your counsel & create some distance. That is what Roman has done.

Several media sources comparing Putin to Hitler. If that ends up being the case he qont stop with Ukraine and we are all soon in trouble, especially if he maintains the backing of China and North Korea.

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Not like it matters, before he could even do anything he was called out in the UK parlament just because of his nationality. 

According to the anti Chelsea Daily Mail Roman's daughter has condemned Putins actions

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Several media sources comparing Putin to Hitler. If that ends up being the case he qont stop with Ukraine and we are all soon in trouble, especially if he maintains the backing of China and North Korea.

I don't see Russia going elsewhere, they state strongly they saw Ukraine as a security issue. Ukraine was not in NATO think most of the rest is except Balkans and perhaps Hungary.

If they advance further then it is probably a major European war yet unlikely as Nukes will be on the card.

Syria and the Middle East is a different issue as both them and the US have been dropping bombs there.

This latest escalation seems to have a started with a car bomb then firing between Ukrainian military and Russian militants in Russian dominated area of Eastern Ukraine.

Then UK & US sends missile teams there warning of severe escalations and then pull personnel out and Russian invasion.

All very strange build up to this. 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

 

Zero chance he calls out Putin though. I find it cynical the West are calling for Oligarchs to be sanctioned, are they suggesting they overthrow him? Putin is nuts & if you want to keep hold of your money & stay alive, you keep your counsel & create some distance. That is what Roman has done.

I agree with this take. The oligarchs themselves won't overthrow Putin and can't do it even if they did want to do it,  the best they can do is send a whatsapp or an email. 

Any disobedience from them would probably end with the Kremlin at their doorstep. Sanctioning the oligarchs is just a fool's errand when the issue is perceived to be "security-based"

8 minutes ago, Deino said:

I agree with this take. The oligarchs themselves won't overthrow Putin and can't do it even if they did want to do it,  the best they can do is send a whatsapp or an email. 

Any disobedience from them would probably end with the Kremlin at their doorstep. Sanctioning the oligarchs is just a fool's errand when the issue is perceived to be "security-based"

I think that's completely incorrect. 

The richest men in any country would have means to overthrow if they desired it. 

These are billionaires, they can get what they want. Putin can be killed, the Kremlin can be bought off. Especially as this is not a popular war in Russia. 

Just now, bisright1 said:

I think that's completely incorrect. 

The richest men in any country would have means to overthrow if they desired it. 

These are billionaires, they can get what they want. Putin can be killed, the Kremlin can be bought off. Especially as this is not a popular war in Russia. 

I think that is a little naive for me, I would expect they are spied on and watched.

Putin made it clear years ago, they made their money getting rich on the state so they had to be prepared to work for the state.

I believe there is a group of senior military that has a lot of control yet are happy for Putin to take the limelight.

Not too long ago Putin's driver was killed when his SUV changed direction mounted the central reservation and collided head-on with another vehicle. Cars can theoretically be hacked today due to onboard computer technology. Obviously you have to be pretty important for anything like that to happen or just very unlucky.

Welcome to the brave new world. 

32 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

I don't see Russia going elsewhere, they state strongly they saw Ukraine as a security issue. Ukraine was not in NATO think most of the rest is except Balkans and perhaps Hungary.

If they advance further then it is probably a major European war yet unlikely as Nukes will be on the card.

Syria and the Middle East is a different issue as both them and the US have been dropping bombs there.

This latest escalation seems to have a started with a car bomb then firing between Ukrainian military and Russian militants in Russian dominated area of Eastern Ukraine.

Then UK & US sends missile teams there warning of severe escalations and then pull personnel out and Russian invasion.

All very strange build up to this. 

Russia doesn't have the military budget in order to start a world war, sometimes it's due to have common sense, they don't want Ukraine to be pro NATO and for that they are willing to protect their interests. After all this all started once Ukraine changed their government into a more hostile one towards their Russian population.

Now a problem for that policy of Russia could be if Finland decided to break their deal with Russia and also become pro NATO and then there is no telling what Putin would do in order to stop NATO coming close to his border... I think he would be willing to die on that hill just based on the future of the geo-strategic position in which Russia would be so NATO could stop a big conflict just by not pushing other countries that are close to Russia to join them.

Roman could only survive while having a relation with whoever is in charge just like any other oligarch, this doesn't make him in any way responsible for the actions of his home country, just like an average billionaire person from England or the US isn't responsible for what their own countries have done, this is just common sense. Actually when you think about it Roman got rich at the time of a big transition during the fall of the Soviet Union and he took his money to the West, that should count for something.

So much talking. Did so many efforts to talk around Hitler happen? 

While they delay innocent civilians are run over with tanks. 

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Roman could only survive while having a relation with whoever is in charge just like any other oligarch, this doesn't make him in any way responsible for the actions of his home country, just like an average billionaire person from England or the US isn't responsible for what their own countries have done, this is just common sense. Actually when you think about it Roman got rich at the time of a big transition during the fall of the Soviet Union and he took his money to the West, that should count for something.

I agree with this yet unfortunately due to political opportunism and hyperbole he will be given little favour in UK political discourse. 

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

"canceld application" ok I'm not going into the technicalities of it, I saw what happen.

There is no Technicality. As someone who worked in that thematic area at the time, there was no refusal of his application. 100%.

There was a pause on processing, on ALL Russian Investor visas, including Romans - and he decided to withdraw.

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

What is Roman supposed to do, the UK already denied him visa after he has been living in the UK for 10 years. Ukraine toyed with Russia and it seems like the suppose Western allies abandoned them now, let's blame Roman!

Are you Russian?

Because blaming Ukraine for this is astonishing in my opinion.

10 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Are you Russian?

Because blaming Ukraine for this is astonishing in my opinion.

I’m not really blaming Ukraine what I said is just to further point out the obvious, that Roman shouldn’t take any heat for what is happening there as he has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whoever thinks otherwise would have to do some epic stretches and mental twists and turns in order to justify it, I have nothing to do with Russia part from cheering for a club that has a Russian-Jewish owner.

23 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I’m not really blaming Ukraine what I said is just to further point out the obvious, that Roman shouldn’t take any heat for what is happening there as he has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whoever thinks otherwise would have to do some epic stretches and mental twists and turns in order to justify it, I have nothing to do with Russia part from cheering for a club that has a Russian-Jewish owner.

He made his money thanks to Putin. He's on every list of a Putin associate. 

That you keep saying he has nothing to do with it is a bit disturbing

26 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

He made his money thanks to Putin. He's on every list of a Putin associate. 

That you keep saying he has nothing to do with it is a bit disturbing

He made his money thanks to taking advantage of the falling communist state of the Soviet Union. He is a self made billionaire that took advantage of his situation at the cost of who know what but let's not get confused here, Putin did not make him rich.

The fact that he remains rich, that is partially because his relation with Putin and this is true when talking about basically every comparable rich man in Russia, if you want to survive you need to not get yourself in trouble with the guy that pushes all the buttons. Having an intelligent mind which is required in order to not lose your wealth and among other things not to end up starving in Siberia is a testimony of Roman's capabilities as a businessman, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Unless you can show me a video of Roman entering a tank and crossing the border into Ukraine, I suggest that you learn that a person can't be guilty of what another man does.

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by Gol15

One of the first articles on Roman a good few years back don't recall the periodical's name but do remember that Roman was very tight with Vlad who regarded him as a 'son' and was upset when Roman got divorced, also when Roman was in town back then (Moss-Cow as the septics call it) he rides in a black car in the special Kremlin car lane to avoid traffic. At Pooh-tin's request he was the governor of a Siberian province for several years and funded the province 100% from his own fortune. So unless he's really disconnected himself from Pooh-tin's orbit he's gonna get sanctioned and worst case could be forced out of our club, but don't worry we are a much more attractive club to takeover now then in 2003 so Im sure some other richer than God businessman or country will takeover and keep the poppy flowing or we'd just have to go back to pre Roman days and cut our coat according to our cloth.

His relationship with Putin is so shadowy and vague, you need to prove without a doubt that he is a supporter of his current activities to be able to paint him as a supporter of a war criminal. If the UK had this evidence then his UK assets would have been gone yesterday.