18 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

His relationship with Putin is so shadowy and vague, you need to prove without a doubt that he is a supporter of his current activities to be able to paint him as a supporter of a war criminal. If the UK had this evidence then his UK assets would have been gone yesterday.

It is impossible to know the true extend of his relationship with Putin. A lot of the info out there is press speculation and we know how unreliable that is. Nevertheless in the current climate I imagine some sort of statement of condemnation from Roman would buy a lot of goodwill from both government and media. I don't see that happening.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12551696/thomas-tuchel-says-he-understands-criticism-of-chelsea-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine

TT admits the players and staff are concerned by it and it is affecting them.

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I think that's completely incorrect. 

The richest men in any country would have means to overthrow if they desired it. 

These are billionaires, they can get what they want. Putin can be killed, the Kremlin can be bought off. Especially as this is not a popular war in Russia. 

If it was that easy Russia would have been governed by someone else ages ago. Putin is far too dangerous an individual for that to work. 

2 hours ago, sonic90 said:

His relationship with Putin is so shadowy and vague, you need to prove without a doubt that he is a supporter of his current activities to be able to paint him as a supporter of a war criminal. If the UK had this evidence then his UK assets would have been gone yesterday.

Roman's relationship with Putin isn't vague. Roman is the first guy that recommended Putin to the presidency in the first place. They are friends without a doubt. 

What is actually shadowy and vague is Roman's involvement with the Russian government. That being said, you are right, the government can't seize his assets without proof of Roman's direct involvement with the Russian govt in this war. 

A lot of it is just posturing to get a negotiation. Nobody would risk a war with Russia, China and NK. 

Seen a few suggestions that if Roman is found to be supporting Putin in this war that some want all of Chelsea's trophies won under him stripped away, similar to have Juve lost titles due to match fixing.

38 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Seen a few suggestions that if Roman is found to be supporting Putin in this war that some want all of Chelsea's trophies won under him stripped away, similar to have Juve lost titles due to match fixing.

That's ridiculous. Should Roman also demand compensation from the NHS for paying the workers that stayed in the hotel during the pandemic? Should the PL compensate Roman as well for elevating the status of the Premier League to what it is today? 

The Calciopoli was obvious matchfixing, the war has nothing to do with Chelsea FC. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Seen a few suggestions that if Roman is found to be supporting Putin in this war that some want all of Chelsea's trophies won under him stripped away, similar to have Juve lost titles due to match fixing.

Anybody suggesting that is just a bitter rival that is jealous of what we have won over the past 2 decades.

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Anybody suggesting that is just a bitter rival that is jealous of what we have won over the past 2 decades.

You are right. So far is only rival fans I have heard it from. So far at least. 

 

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by axman2526

45 minutes ago, Deino said:

That's ridiculous. Should Roman also demand compensation from the NHS for paying the workers that stayed in the hotel during the pandemic? Should the PL compensate Roman as well for elevating the status of the Premier League to what it is today? 

The Calciopoli was obvious matchfixing, the war has nothing to do with Chelsea FC. 

Only way I would see it as even remotely possible would be as a punishment aimed at hurting Roman and would be using Chelsea FC to accomplish this.

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12551696/thomas-tuchel-says-he-understands-criticism-of-chelsea-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine

TT admits the players and staff are concerned by it and it is affecting them.

Understandable really. Cannot feel good to know you are working for a friend of Putin's right now. Roman may not get his assets seized for now, but if this continues to get worse I can see Tuchel and others refusing to work for him any more.

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I think that's completely incorrect. 

The richest men in any country would have means to overthrow if they desired it. 

These are billionaires, they can get what they want. Putin can be killed, the Kremlin can be bought off. Especially as this is not a popular war in Russia. 

Not in Russia though, they are monitored wherever they are on the planet. Putin has sanctioned many killings in foreign soils, think there have been quite a few in the UK. 

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by ducavis

17 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Understandable really. Cannot feel good to know you are working for a friend of Putin's right now. Roman may not get his assets seized for now, but if this continues to get worse I can see Tuchel and others refusing to work for him any more.

Can’t see this ever happening; footballers and managers by extension are mercenaries, no matter how much they kiss the badge. They will always go where the money is. As twisted as it may sound;  PSG & Newcastle players are getting on with it. Ours will be fine.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Only way I would see it as even remotely possible would be as a punishment aimed at hurting Roman and would be using Chelsea FC to accomplish this.

Roman Abramovic is Chelsea. His assets built us to what we are. Hurt Abramovic you hurt Chelsea. They are not mutually exclusive in reality. They are inexorably linked worryingly. 

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Seen a few suggestions that if Roman is found to be supporting Putin in this war that some want all of Chelsea's trophies won under him stripped away, similar to have Juve lost titles due to match fixing.

Anyone using and the death of thousands of Ukrainians to score points over football is a despicable c**t who needs a good kicking.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Anyone using and the death of thousands of Ukrainians to score points over football is a despicable c**t who needs a good kicking.

Wait until tomorrow to see the dippers using it in the stands.

22 minutes ago, RMH said:

Wait until tomorrow to see the dippers using it in the stands.

Give them a break it’s their first domestic final in eternity, it’s their big day out. 

When's the last time Roman was in Russia? Seems like he's been everywhere bar Russia in years. Maybe Roman and Putin's relationship has soured over the years, for whatever reasons. Seems a bit odd to see Roman's daughter come out in support of Ukraine. 

 

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by enigma

9 hours ago, Deino said:

If it was that easy Russia would have been governed by someone else ages ago. Putin is far too dangerous an individual for that to work. 

I agree. Most of the Oligarchs are billlionaires BECAUSE they have been in the inner sanctum. They've basically made a deal with the devil for the money, and it would not surprise me in the slightest if there are severe consequences if they don't toe the line.

I have absolutely zero appetite for football at the moment. The whole situation is appalling. 

Well done to the Polish FA for refusing to play their World Cup play off game. If only UEFA/FIFA had the balls to kick Russia out of the competition. 

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Sexyfootball

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Anyone using and the death of thousands of Ukrainians to score points over football is a despicable c**t who needs a good kicking.

Well said.

If it's proven that Abramovich is still deeply embedded with the Kremlin these days, then I think sanctioning him won't be met with too much outrage here. We all appreciate that his financial backing over the last two decades has been significant for the club's fortunes, but what we're seeing in Ukraine is a humanitarian disaster and it cannot go unpunished by the West.

If there's no evidence to the above, then I see no reason why things shouldn't carry on as normal.

Whatever happens, Chelsea FC will still be here. I supported this club long before Abramovich came along and will continue to support them wherever they are in the football pyramid.

Rival fans using the pretext of an invasion to have a go at the club can get f**ked!

The people I'm thinking of today are the Ukrainian people. What they must be going through is terrifying and something you wouldn't wish on any group of people.

Edited February 26, 20224 yr by Jezz

All the rival fans who speak as if Roman is far worse than their own billionaire owners is interesting to say the least. I find it hard to believe that any billionaire made their money without being involved in a lot of shady sh*t.

From what I've heard and read, Roman has never been involved in slavery or murder of people. Jeff Bezos runs a multinational company that has treated workers inhumanely, and people still buy from Amazon despite claiming Jeff is a monster. 

 

34 minutes ago, enigma said:

All the rival fans who speak as if Roman is far worse than their own billionaire owners is interesting to say the least. I find it hard to believe that any billionaire made their money without being involved in a lot of shady sh*t.

From what I've heard and read, Roman has never been involved in slavery or murder of people. Jeff Bezos runs a multinational company that has treated workers inhumanely, and people still buy from Amazon despite claiming Jeff is a monster. 

I made a similar point about Leicester and their owners on a different forum after seeing some spicy remarks.

You are right that many successful people become very successful by doing dodgy things.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Seen a few suggestions that if Roman is found to be supporting Putin in this war that some want all of Chelsea's trophies won under him stripped away, similar to have Juve lost titles due to match fixing.

Totally makes sense right? I mean why stop there, use the same argument and let's do the same to all American owners who by proxy just by being American supported countless of invasions and bombings all over the world and also all Saudi owners for totally disregarding basic human rights over the years as well, might as well do the same to all the English owners that by proxy were supporting all that Britain did in the past because braindead logic is popular now it seems... We will end up with no club having the right to any trophies by that standard.

 

35 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Totally makes sense right? I mean why stop there, use the same argument and let's do the same to all American owners who by proxy just by being American supported countless of invasions and bombings all over the world and also all Saudi owners for totally disregarding basic human rights over the years as well, might as well do the same to all the English owners that by proxy were supporting all that Britain did in the past because braindead logic is popular now it seems... We will end up with no club having the right to any trophies by that standard.

 

If we go that route, Norwich will probably win the premier league as all other clubs are taken away from the owners, or there will only be 4 or 5 clubs left. Let’s look at all the sponsors from the premier league also and the shirt sponsors and the countries were they broadcast the premier league 

It will be interesting to see if any players from our team decide to use tomorrow's game to make a protest (e.g. wear a t-shirt with a message under their shirt). If Roman is indeed still friends with Putin I imagine that would not go down well.

38 minutes ago, forbzy said:

It will be interesting to see if any players from our team decide to use tomorrow's game to make a protest (e.g. wear a t-shirt with a message under their shirt). If Roman is indeed still friends with Putin I imagine that would not go down well.

I wonder what Fifa are going to do about Poland refusing totally Russia. As some from Poland have said they dont blame the Russian players at all however they cannot ignore what is going on.

Along that line of thinking could we our players and manager do something impactful as well? Maybe even refusing to play until Roman's position becomes clear? 

Like has been said football is simply not important compared to what is going on, so not impossible our players use it to take a stand.