You know the others could go some way to proving Evissys faith right, and our lack of it wrong, by simply holding their hands up and saying:

"Sorry Chelsea fans, we got it wrong. We got it wrong when we ran the sporting side and the team dropped like a stone. We got it wrong again when we appointed the two sporting directors. Our lack of CL football and our losses show that.

So we are firing those two, hiring Luis Campos and giving him the keys to drive us back to where the club belongs"

Won't happen.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

You know the others could go some way to proving Evissys faith right, and our lack of it wrong, by simply holding their hands up and saying:

"Sorry Chelsea fans, we got it wrong. We got it wrong when we ran the sporting side and the team dropped like a stone. We got it wrong again when we appointed the two sporting directors. Our lack of CL football and our losses show that.

So we are firing those two, hiring Luis Campos and giving him the keys to drive us back to where the club belongs"

Won't happen.

As likely as Trump admits " I didn't understand Tariff and f* it up" 😁 Sorry to refer to politics, but it's about as likely as that.

The ownership groups will keep going with the approach until they lose so much money and decided to back out of it, which won't be good news either.

Do you think a couple of years building the squad will alienate Chelsea fans from the club? Do you think if the old fans leave new fans won't take their seats?

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Do you think a couple of years building the squad will alienate Chelsea fans from the club? Do you think if the old fans leave new fans won't take their seats?

Yes & Yes.

There is a difference between building a squad that has potential and a brand versus the absolute garbage we’re being tormented through currently. We aren’t building anything with Maresca we’re just sacrificing any potential a lot of these youngsters have for the ‘good of the system’. That system being the most dire football I’ve ever watched.

New fans don’t just appear, football in this country is more than just support it’s a whole identity, you're born into it and stuck with it until you die. It’s why the reactions are so guttural to what we’re currently being forced to endure.

At face value would the fans be missed by the club, commercially? No. We’re the biggest team in the greatest area of the greatest city in the greatest country in the world. You’d still get the Yanks & Chinks, day tripping consumers turn up and overpay for below average seats, spend a fortune in the club shop and use all the Stadium Facilities. Short term that’s fantastic from a club perspective in comparison to Dave who’s had his ST handed down from his Grandad to his Dad and then him, who drinks at the local before the game and doesn’t buy his full replica kit every year ‘cos the Le Coq Sportif his Mum got him for Christmas in ‘84 still fits (must have a great diet/gym routine)

Long term yes the exclusion of the core of the club will destroy it. You’d ruin and lose the culture and traditions.

Just take Milton Keynes for example, they’ve got the worst ‘fans’ in the entire pyramid because they’re created for consumers and not a natural expression of the area over multiple generations.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Do you think a couple of years building the squad will alienate Chelsea fans from the club? Do you think if the old fans leave new fans won't take their seats?

This train of thought is exactly what is wrong. The die hard 'old' fans are what has built this club to what it is. I don't give a sh*t about new fans, and they certainly shouldn't be taking anything from the old fans. Weird take.

28 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This train of thought is exactly what is wrong. The die hard 'old' fans are what has built this club to what it is. I don't give a sh*t about new fans, and they certainly shouldn't be taking anything from the old fans. Weird take.

Although I agree with you entirely, we have to accept that new owners at all clubs, don't give a f**k about what has gone before. They don't care about CFC Bob, who has spent thousands following Chelsea home and away since the 60's but is now of an age where he doesn't go so often and doesn't spend money in the megastore.

There are loads of us on this forum who went a lot back in the day but now don't attend many games - myself included. Even if some of us still go regularly, the owners aren't bothered and know that the tickets will still sell, even if it is to Chinese tourists who will sit there dead quiet and just take loads of photos.

The reality of the modern PL game that everyone raves about. It's sh*t and becoming sh*tter.

13 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Although I agree with you entirely, we have to accept that new owners at all clubs, don't give a f**k about what has gone before. They don't care about CFC Bob, who has spent thousands following Chelsea home and away since the 60's but is now of an age where he doesn't go so often and doesn't spend money in the megastore.

There are loads of us on this forum who went a lot back in the day but now don't attend many games - myself included. Even if some of us still go regularly, the owners aren't bothered and know that the tickets will still sell, even if it is to Chinese tourists who will sit there dead quiet and just take loads of photos.

The reality of the modern PL game that everyone raves about. It's sh*t and becoming sh*tter.

This is why i'll never complain about fans booing on a match day and letting the owners know what they think.

40 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This is why i'll never complain about fans booing on a match day and letting the owners know what they think.

Yep. Was speaking with a mate the other day about never booing when attending a game. Would often voice disapproval but never actually boo. But if I was going this season and watching the turgid brand of football Maresca is subjecting to the supporters, I would be booing with the rest of them.

I have nothing negative to say about the die hard fans who go year after year and create the community there. They are part of every club and part of football culture. Hopefully it continues year after year. I understand the prices that go up will create problems. This is exactly the same with my local Hockey and Football clubs.

However there is a contradiction on 'We need to win any means necessary and reach Champions league every season' and 'Prices go up and chinks and yanks and tourists'. Global megaclubs will do that to you especially in commercial/globalist/capitalistic world that Great Britain and Premier League for example in every way possible.

I hope it doesn't get out of hand with the prices.

1 minute ago, evissy said:

I have nothing negative to say about the die hard fans who go year after year and create the community there. They are part of every club and part of football culture. Hopefully it continues year after year. I understand the prices that go up will create problems. This is exactly the same with my local Hockey and Football clubs.

However there is a contradiction on 'We need to win any means necessary and reach Champions league every season' and 'Prices go up and chinks and yanks and tourists'. Global megaclubs will do that to you especially in commercial/globalist/capitalistic world that Great Britain and Premier League for example in every way possible.

I hope it doesn't get out of hand with the prices.

Gate money is tiny in the grand scheme of things. Bayern Munich charge for a standing season ticket what Chelsea charge for single match these days. The TV money and sponsorships alone should be enough to allow us to spend freely without us killing the loyal fans.

6 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Gate money is tiny in the grand scheme of things. Bayern Munich charge for a standing season ticket what Chelsea charge for single match these days. The TV money and sponsorships alone should be enough to allow us to spend freely without us killing the loyal fans.

In Germany all that is regulated. As I understand in Britain it is not. And they could just have the die hard fans be cheaper there what I understand is the custom for many small clubs as it is for my local (tiny) clubs. I think the queue that is pushing to get any tickets to games is what makes them feel the pricing could be higher.

There is also everyone else that fans of Chelsea such as the london is blue podcasters (from America) who attend games maybe once a season who absolutely love the club and use their hard earned money and especially time to support the club in other means.

This is also part of massive clubs. World wide fans that bring in money and exposure that on their own means dedicate time and money to the club. This is why you see players like Enzo Fernandez in the club.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

In Germany all that is regulated. As I understand in Britain it is not. And they could just have the die hard fans be cheaper there what I understand is the custom for many small clubs as it is for my local (tiny) clubs. I think the queue that is pushing to get any tickets to games is what makes them feel the pricing could be higher.

There is also everyone else that fans of Chelsea such as the london is blue podcasters (from America) who attend games maybe once a season who absolutely love the club and use their hard earned money and especially time to support the club in other means.

This is also part of massive clubs. World wide fans that bring in money and exposure that on their own means dedicate time and money to the club. This is why you see players like Enzo Fernandez in the club.

The justification for high ticket prices is to keep us competitive though. We could easily keep ticket prices lower and stay competitive as Bayern Munich has shown. Not to mention the fact we have PL revenue on top of it. Its not even like we are paying top wages anymore.

I don't care about American arm chair consumer that come over for one game a season. They add very little to the club. A couple of days holiday once a year isn't the same as dedicating every weekend to a club up and down the country.

Enzo Fernandez came to the club because of us being one of the most successful clubs in world football over the past 2 decades, not because some yank has a podcast and goes on holiday once a year.

18 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I wonder if we will still be a "top PL side" in 5 years.

Good point ! We weren't a top PL side after just one season of the new ownership!

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

The justification for high ticket prices is to keep us competitive though. We could easily keep ticket prices lower and stay competitive as Bayern Munich has shown. Not to mention the fact we have PL revenue on top of it. Its not even like we are paying top wages anymore.

I don't care about American arm chair consumer that come over for one game a season. They add very little to the club. A couple of days holiday once a year isn't the same as dedicating every weekend to a club up and down the country.

Enzo Fernandez came to the club because of us being one of the most successful clubs in world football over the past 2 decades, not because some yank has a podcast and goes on holiday once a year.

We could. Match day revenue in the big picture isn't that big which means those arm chair fans as me, who as a group are 1000 times bigger than the regular match going fans, bring in most of the money by paying for shirts, tv subscriptions and the odd match here and there at the bridge and every tiny piece of revenue the club can muster.

So Mr.Bolt you are regarding yourself as the only right type of fan/consumer? That is all fine and dandy. Drops the base from your comments though a bit in my eyes.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

We could. Match day revenue in the big picture isn't that big which means those arm chair fans as me, who as a group are 1000 times bigger than the regular match going fans, bring in most of the money by paying for shirts, tv subscriptions and the odd match here and there at the bridge and every tiny piece of revenue the club can muster.

So Mr.Bolt you are regarding yourself as the only right type of fan/consumer? That is all fine and dandy. Drops the base from your comments though a bit in my eyes.

For me, when we went home and away to support our team especially in the old 2nd division, contributed to the " save the bridge" fund when we very nearly lost Stamford Bridge to property developers, our club isn't just a football club. It's embedded in our personal history, it was a massive part of our growing up as kids and into adulthood. . Doesn't make us better fans , but you can't get the same feeling of community, togetherness, commitment, and emotional attachment etc if you're fans who watch from afar in my opinion.. With respect to you, I think that's why you can view Chelsea in a dispassionate, unemotional way, in a way which it's impossible for me and others to think about our club.

Note....No, I haven't canvassed every single fan from abroad to calculate their emotional attachment to Chelsea 😂

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46 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

For me, when we went home and away to support our team especially in the old 2nd division, contributed to the " save the bridge" fund when we very nearly lost Stamford Bridge to property developers, our club isn't just a football club. It's embedded in our personal history, it was a massive part of our growing up as kids and into adulthood. . Doesn't make us better fans , but you can't get the same feeling of community, togetherness, commitment, and emotional attachment etc if you're fans who watch from afar in my opinion.. With respect to you, I think that's why you can view Chelsea in a dispassionate, unemotional way, in a way which it's impossible for me and others to think about our club.

Note....No, I haven't canvassed every single fan from abroad to calculate their emotional attachment to Chelsea 😂

That is unfair, but I understand the sentiment and I like your post in general.

44 minutes ago, evissy said:

That is unfair, but I understand the sentiment and I like your post in general.

Thank you

The f**king Septics have ruined this club

I wouldn't mind increased ticket prices if I knew my money was being well spent. It just looks like fans money is being taken to be wasted on rubbish recruitment staff, rubbish managers and rubbish players.

14 hours ago, evissy said:

We could. Match day revenue in the big picture isn't that big which means those arm chair fans as me, who as a group are 1000 times bigger than the regular match going fans, bring in most of the money by paying for shirts, tv subscriptions and the odd match here and there at the bridge and every tiny piece of revenue the club can muster.

So Mr.Bolt you are regarding yourself as the only right type of fan/consumer? That is all fine and dandy. Drops the base from your comments though a bit in my eyes.

There's a difference between a fan and a consumer. People that attend games, were brought up in the culture, has been in the family for generations and dedicate their time and money travelling the country to see their team regardless of the situation are fans.

People on the other side of the Atlantic that chose the team because they were doing well in their teen years and buy a shirt once a year while flicking the tv on at 2am are consumers.

Both are important, fans are the heart and soul of the club though. They will always be more important than the consumer. The consumer can be easily replaced and make no difference to the soul of the club. The fan cannot be replaced, replace the fan and the identity of the club dies.

52 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

There's a difference between a fan and a consumer. People that attend games, were brought up in the culture, has been in the family for generations and dedicate their time and money travelling the country to see their team regardless of the situation are fans.

People on the other side of the Atlantic that chose the team because they were doing well in their teen years and buy a shirt once a year while flicking the tv on at 2am are consumers.

Both are important, fans are the heart and soul of the club though. They will always be more important than the consumer. The consumer can be easily replaced and make no difference to the soul of the club. The fan cannot be replaced, replace the fan and the identity of the club dies.

Which are you?

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

Which are you?

fanboy.... of course.

24 minutes ago, evissy said:

Which are you?

Chelsea been in my family since the late 60's, brought up into it, did 10+ games a season and travelled all over Europe to watch my club prior to BlueCo.

17 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Chelsea been in my family since the late 60's, brought up into it, did 10+ games a season and travelled all over Europe to watch my club prior to BlueCo.

Why not anymore?

26 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why not anymore?

Have you tried to buy tickets on the official website in recent years? It was bad before but now its near impossible (looking at you Mr Boehly). I'll only travel to European cities or if i can pick up tickets on here, i'm not giving resale websites a penny.