10 hours ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

Are the options of Luiz/ Christensen and Jorginho/Kovacic the reason we are where we are this season? Luiz is a great Ball player but cant defend for sh*t, the other three are not good enough in my opinion, players like Kovacic are two a penny and Christensen for some reason has gone backwards from the early promise he showed. Jorginho brings no more to the table than I could, anyone can keep possession in the areas that he operates in under no pressure most of the time, teams are happy for him to have it as he does very little with it other than retain it in a non threatening position. If we want to become a serious threat to City and Liverpool we need quality in these positions. Playing Kante on the right to accommodate Jorginho is an absolute bonus for our rivals and needs to be addressed immediately. Koulabaly would be nice and a top creative player like Eriksen is what we need to be looking at as were 15/20 points short at the moment.

You lot realise the current season is only just over the halfway mark right?

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

1. Lol what? Read it again. Kovacic is in for free because he costs nothing within the Hazard deal. Madrid give us Kovacic and £40m and we give them Hazard. What are you struggling to grasp here? Bit sad that you want Barkley to stay. Been nothing but average this season and is blocking opportunities for RLC and an upgrade. Actually, come to look at it you don't even have Ross included in your squad above so why is it sad i want him sold? Weird.

2. What's age got to do with anything if he's banging goals in? I literally stated in my post that i'd keep Higuain IF he's banging in goals. So yeah, try again.

Kalas hahahaha, okay i'm sure this is a joke post now. Van Ginkel will likely never play for us, Sarabia isn't a bad player but we can do so much better. Chiesa over Pepe? Nah. No chance we go into next season with Tammy and Jovic leading the line with no backup for LW either.

Honestly, its like you just wanted to disagree with my post without putting any thought into the drivel you were typing. 

Yes Read me first. Why would anyone accept Kovacic for free and 40m to sell Hazard. That's the worst deal of all time. And that's exactly what I said so I did understand what you said.

The IF means really nothing, Higuain is a temporary fix to the problem. We need a new striker, young and ready to prove himself, we can't live on Higuain for another season.

Kalas is a backup for Rudiger and he costs nothing.
Van Ginkel had a perfect season before his injury and can play the Sarri ball.
Chiesa is a good talent, Pepe who? Tammy and Jovic 2 young strikers ready to fight and to prove themselves and already had plenty goals this year, I only put CHO alone there as a statement but Chiesa,Pulisic can play on both sides.

Luiz can only play with the ball he can't defend, Ampadu is used by Sarri in midfield and not as a CB so taking about your backups Ampadu will never back up Rudiger like you put it so you got no real justification to act rude here, I wasn't rude towards you and my lineup isn't a joke it's a more stable team compared to what you put there.

Edited February 6, 20197 yr by Gol15

8 hours ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

Perhaps my description as a "holding" midfielder was incorrect, my point is that Kante is not as effective in a three as he would be 4-4-2, and he's being asked to play there to accommodate that system, and that in my opinion weakens us.

 

Kantes play on the right has been fine, and if you watch Chelsea you can see clear improvement as the season has progressed. The issue with the midfield is the LCM hasn't been producing sh*t. Kovacic can't score to save his life, Barkley doesn't score hardly ever either and RLC has been injured. RLC gets healthy and gets back to it, the midfield will perform better but Kante is not the problem in the middle. And Kante can't and doesn't play the same position as Jorginho. 

I may have missed something, but why is everyone now talking about a RM departure for Hazard ? I was anxious when I heard we bought Pulisic that such a thing could happen... Is it in anyway related to the transfer or the current negotiations btw hazard and Chelsea ?

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Yes Read me first. Why would anyone accept Kovacic for free and 40m to sell Hazard. That's the worst deal of all time. And that's exactly what I said so I did understand what you said.

The IF means really nothing, Higuain is a temporary fix to the problem. We need a new striker, young and ready to prove himself, we can't live on Higuain for another season.

Kalas is a backup for Rudiger and he costs nothing.
Van Ginkel had a perfect season before his injury and can play the Sarri ball.
Chiesa is a good talent, Pepe who? Tammy and Jovic 2 young strikers ready to fight and to prove themselves and already had plenty goals this year, I only put CHO alone there as a statement but Chiesa,Pulisic can play on both sides.

Luiz can only play with the ball he can't defend, Ampadu is used by Sarri in midfield and not as a CB so taking about your backups Ampadu will never back up Rudiger like you put it so you got no real justification to act rude here, I wasn't rude towards you and my lineup isn't a joke it's a more stable team compared to what you put there.

So you think Real are going to part with more than £80m for Hazard? With Kovacic we get a good player and cash and they get a player off their books they don't want. Makes perfect sense.

Name me some attainable strikers that we can sign and will improve us next year. Don't make me laugh with Jovic and Tammy again.

Kalas is dog sh*t. Barely even plays for Bristol yet good enough to be backup at a team challenging for the title. Shocking.

Van Ginkel had an okay season in the Dutch league. He's now been out of action for about a year and you have absolutely NO way to prove he can play Sarriball.

Pepe, the player that is outperforming Mbappe in France. In absolutely no scenario do we go into next season with an untested Tammy and a 21 year old Striker who is enjoying half a good season for the first time in his career.

Luiz has done perfectly fine defending against City and other teams, so yes he can defend. He's always prone to a bad game but he's probably been the best player in our backline this season. Ampadu played his first few games at CB under Sarri, its only recently he's played CM with Sarri looking for a Jorginho backup.

My selection is realistic and well balanced. Yours, not so much.

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So you think Real are going to part with more than £80m for Hazard? With Kovacic we get a good player and cash and they get a player off their books they don't want. Makes perfect sense.

Name me some attainable strikers that we can sign and will improve us next year. Don't make me laugh with Jovic and Tammy again.

Kalas is dog sh*t. Barely even plays for Bristol yet good enough to be backup at a team challenging for the title. Shocking.

Van Ginkel had an okay season in the Dutch league. He's now been out of action for about a year and you have absolutely NO way to prove he can play Sarriball.

Pepe, the player that is outperforming Mbappe in France. In absolutely no scenario do we go into next season with an untested Tammy and a 21 year old Striker who is enjoying half a good season for the first time in his career.

Luiz has done perfectly fine defending against City and other teams, so yes he can defend. He's always prone to a bad game but he's probably been the best player in our backline this season. Ampadu played his first few games at CB under Sarri, its only recently he's played CM with Sarri looking for a Jorginho backup.

My selection is realistic and well balanced. Yours, not so much.

Ok fine, you are one of those "I'm 100% correct in speculating 100% of the time" types then.

At this point I don't even care about your average lineup even if it is worse than our current one since you are already sold out on your darling there and there is no coming back not even a little...So I don't care really, you think keeping Higuain for 1 more season is better than getting Jovic and putting trust in Tammy fine, you don't rate Van Ginkel fine, you think D.Luiz can defend fine, laugh all you want that's fine as well...but I will say this:

We don't need Kovacic for free, we got him for free this season. And so far he has been mostly what he has been before he joined us, a bench player. 
ONLY YOU would give Hazard, take 40m in order to keep Kovacic, only you.
I prefer to sell Hazard for 90m and get a proper replacement, Kovacic is not a deal maker nor a player that makes a difference and whole Chelsea has seen it for half a season now  Only. you. would let Hazard go for less than half of his value so that you keep a Kovacic that so far has:

22 games played in the league - 0 goals and 2 assists with 6.65 average rating ( IN COMPARISON BARKLEY THAT YOU WANT TO SELL HAS 20 GAMES, 3 GOALS, 4 ASSISTS, 6.75 RATING)

That's not the player that anyone with half a brain would trade in for 40m in order to lose Hazard you lose the plot there regardless of the rest of the squad that deal would be the worst for Chelsea and Real Madrid would happily take it any day of the week.
 

Edited February 6, 20197 yr by Gol15

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Ok fine, you are one of those "I'm 100% correct in speculating 100% of the time" types then.

At this point I don't even care about your average lineup even if it is worse than our current one since you are already sold out on your darling there and there is no coming back not even a little...So I don't care really, you think keeping Higuain for 1 more season is better than getting Jovic and putting trust in Tammy fine, you don't rate Van Ginkel fine, you think D.Luiz can defend fine, laugh all you want that's fine as well...but I will say this:

We don't need Kovacic for free, we got him for free this season. And so far he has been mostly what he has been before he joined us, a bench player. 
ONLY YOU would give Hazard, take 40m in order to keep Kovacic, only you.
I prefer to sell Hazard for 90m and get a proper replacement, Kovacic is not a deal maker nor a player that makes a difference and whole Chelsea has seen it for half a season now  Only. you. would let Hazard go for less than half of his value so that you keep a Kovacic that so far has:

22 games played in the league - 0 goals and 2 assists with 6.65 average rating ( IN COMPARISON BARKLEY THAT YOU WANT TO SELL HAS 20 GAMES, 3 GOALS, 4 ASSISTS, 6.75 RATING)

That's not the player that anyone with half a brain would trade in for 40m in order to lose Hazard you lose the plot there regardless of the rest of the squad that deal would be the worst for Chelsea and Real Madrid would happily take it any day of the week.
 

You're right, i'm never wrong. 

Well not only me, the several people liking my post seemed to agree. Keeping Kovacic means we don't have to spend £45m on a Jorginho backup and he can cover for Kante too. Two birds with one stone. As for the goals and assists, i've already stated that Kovacic wouldn't be playing that LCM role. Do you honestly think Barkley should be kept and used? Lets not forget he only gets played against dog sh*t teams so obviously he'll be able to stat pad. 

Lets look at the scenario we sell Hazard for £90m like you said, we then end up spending £50m on Barella as has been rumoured. Oh would you look at that, we've still only got £40m for Hazard as we've had to spend the majority of that money on a Kovacic replacement on a player of that mold that can cover for Jorginho, who will then take months to catch up with Sarrismo. Try understanding the maths behind the deal before running your mouth. 

18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're right, i'm never wrong. 

Other than when I tell you that you are,  obviously.

24 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're right, i'm never wrong. 

Well not only me, the several people liking my post seemed to agree. Keeping Kovacic means we don't have to spend £45m on a Jorginho backup and he can cover for Kante too. Two birds with one stone. As for the goals and assists, i've already stated that Kovacic wouldn't be playing that LCM role. Do you honestly think Barkley should be kept and used? Lets not forget he only gets played against dog sh*t teams so obviously he'll be able to stat pad. 

Lets look at the scenario we sell Hazard for £90m like you said, we then end up spending £50m on Barella as has been rumoured. Oh would you look at that, we've still only got £40m for Hazard as we've had to spend the majority of that money on a Kovacic replacement on a player of that mold that can cover for Jorginho, who will then take months to catch up with Sarrismo. Try understanding the maths behind the deal before running your mouth. 

Don't quit your daily job then because selling Hazard for 40m in order to keep Kovacic is the worst possible asset management, even mail is speculating about Isco or Asensio for Hazard everyone but only you think that Kovacic is the same rank. You lost the plot, just like I said, with that 1 speculation.

23 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Other than when I tell you that you are,  obviously.

Anything you say, Dad.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Don't quit your daily job then because selling Hazard for 40m in order to keep Kovacic is the worst possible asset management, even mail is speculating about Isco or Asensio for Hazard everyone but only you think that Kovacic is the same rank. You lost the plot, just like I said, with that 1 speculation.

You've failed to understand it again, haven't you? I'll try to spell this out as simplistically as possible for you to understand

Your scenario

- Sell Hazard for £90m

- Lose Kovacic

- Sign Barella or someone of a similar ilk to replace Kovacic's departure for £50m

- Net profit of £40m from Hazard sale

My scenario

- Sell Hazard for £40m + Kovacic

- Have a ready made understudy for Kante and Jorginho who can play a number of roles and has had a year under Sarri already

- Net profit of £40m from Hazard sale

 

Do you understand now? Or are you still under the impression that we're going to get £90m + Isco from Madrid for a 28 year old player, in the last year of their contract with a goal return of about 15 goals a season because a newspaper said so? Surely to god you can get this. Look how much we got for Courtois in his last year, Madrid ain't stupid.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Anything you say, Dad.

You've failed to understand it again, haven't you? I'll try to spell this out as simplistically as possible for you to understand

Your scenario

- Sell Hazard for £90m

- Lose Kovacic

- Sign Barella or someone of a similar ilk to replace Kovacic's departure for £50m

- Net profit of £40m from Hazard sale

My scenario

- Sell Hazard for £40m + Kovacic

- Have a ready made understudy for Kante and Jorginho who can play a number of roles and has had a year under Sarri already

- Net profit of £40m from Hazard sale

 

Do you understand now? Or are you still under the impression that we're going to get £90m + Isco from Madrid for a 28 year old player, in the last year of their contract with a goal return of about 15 goals a season because a newspaper said so? Surely to god you can get this. Look how much we got for Courtois in his last year, Madrid ain't stupid.

I'm not the one suggesting to sell Hazard for less than half of his worth just so that we keep Kovacic that has been nothing but average.

Name 1 top 5 player ever, that got sold in a garbage deal like you're suggesting, you can't.

Also Kovacic mostly plays in the same lineup with Jorginho and not as his backup, you saw 1 game where he took that role and can't let it go it's pathetic really, 40m + an average backup for Jorginho means we lose a top 5 player of the world and have no money to buy anyone close to that level.

Keep trying it doesn't work, even trash newspapers dont suggest this weak trade you're talking about 

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm not the one suggesting to sell Hazard for less than half of his worth just so that we keep Kovacic that has been nothing but average.

Name 1 top 5 player ever, that got sold in a garbage deal like you're suggesting, you can't.

Also Kovacic mostly plays in the same lineup with Jorginho and not as his backup, you saw 1 game where he took that role and can't let it go it's pathetic really, 40m + an average backup for Jorginho means we lose a top 5 player of the world and have no money to buy anyone close to that level.

Keep trying it doesn't work, even trash newspapers dont suggest this weak trade you're talking about 

You're actually a bit dim, aren't you? Our deals literally work out with the same profit margins for Hazard once you factor in that you'll need to sign a replacement for Kovacic anyway. 

How many top players have been sold in the last year of their contract? Courtois was arguably a top 5 keeper, we got £35m for him. Sanchez at the same age went for a swap for Mkhitaryan so about £25m? Yet here you are thinking we'll get £90m + Isco, so a value of £170m for Hazard ha ha ha ha. If only you were negotiating Brexit aye.

Sarri has even said that Kovacic is Jorginho's backup now, so not really sure what your point is with that one. 

Trash newspapers don't suggest a deal like this because they'd rather fantacise with unrealistic deals that will entice morons like yourself to click the headline. 

31 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're actually a bit dim, aren't you? Our deals literally work out with the same profit margins for Hazard once you factor in that you'll need to sign a replacement for Kovacic anyway. 

How many top players have been sold in the last year of their contract? Courtois was arguably a top 5 keeper, we got £35m for him. Sanchez at the same age went for a swap for Mkhitaryan so about £25m? Yet here you are thinking we'll get £90m + Isco, so a value of £170m for Hazard ha ha ha ha. If only you were negotiating Brexit aye.

Sarri has even said that Kovacic is Jorginho's backup now, so not really sure what your point is with that one. 

Trash newspapers don't suggest a deal like this because they'd rather fantacise with unrealistic deals that will entice morons like yourself to click the headline. 

Where is the example where a world top 5 player got sold for cheap + traded in for another player? Still waiting. Never gonna happen keeo being delusional.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Where is the example where a world top 5 player got sold for cheap + traded in for another player? Still waiting. Never gonna happen keeo being delusional.

I literally gave you two examples with Courtois and Sanchez both in similar contract situations. 

Am i being trolled here? Did @yorkleyblue put you up to this to wind me up?

13 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I literally gave you two examples with Courtois and Sanchez both in similar contract situations. 

Am i being trolled here? Did @yorkleyblue put you up to this to wind me up?

Invalid. You cant...

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I literally gave you two examples with Courtois and Sanchez both in similar contract situations. 

Am i being trolled here? Did @yorkleyblue put you up to this to wind me up?

How do you know I don't have two accounts, this one and one where I post rubbish like the above?

15 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Invalid. You cant...

What are you even on about ha ha 

9 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

How do you know I don't have two accounts, this one and one where I post rubbish like the above?

i knew it!!

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What are you even on about ha ha 

i knew it!!

Ha ha h?  

13 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

How do you know I don't have two accounts, this one and one where I post rubbish like the above?

I don't even think RIP Mourinho's worst insults could compete with even the mere assumption of you writing that bollocks. 

56 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

How do you know I don't have two accounts, this one and one where I post rubbish like the above?

Yeah, its just ONE where you write rubbish eh...eh.....eh.....

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I literally gave you two examples with Courtois and Sanchez both in similar contract situations. 

Am i being trolled here? Did @yorkleyblue put you up to this to wind me up?

Wasn't Sanches a few months away from running down his Arsenal contract when he signed for MU? Plus he's older and not on the same level as Hazard. 

As for Courtois, he forced his transfer by going on strike. Still, keepers normally don't cost that much (I know, Kepa and Allison) and there's only a handful of players of Hazard quality out there (Neymar, Mbappe, etc) and none of them is available. I guess the fee we'll get from Madrid will directly depend on the stance Hazard'll take in the summer. If he does a Courtois, we'll be forced to sell him for far less that we'd want, if he lets it known that he only moves if Madrid's bid is big enough to keep CFC happy, then we may get a substantial sum. I always felt that, unlike his ostrich looking countryman, Eden is a decent guy who genuinely cares about the club, but at the end of the day anything can happen.

 

Edited February 7, 20197 yr by abramovich

This is an amusing thread.

I think people need to be realistic with their expectations of the transfer fee we can command from the sale of Hazard.

As everyone knows, he will be 28 with one year left on his deal. To add to that, it appears he is going to come out publically and state that he wants to move to Madrid, and only Madrid.

Regardless of what you may think he is worth, or what we should get, there are actually two options at our disposal;

1. Sell to Madrid for whatever we can get out of them.

2. Keep him and let him leave for free in a years time. Given it appears he probably wanted to leave last summer, I would imagine this would get pretty messy.

Option 2 is the only leverage we have. And it's not really a lot. Obviously we won't sell him for an insulting/non-realistic fee, but I am pretty sure it will be around the £80M mark.

On this basis, £40M and Kovacic is probably about as good as it's going to get.

 

I posted in the other loan thread, love the idea, in a few seasons time, of the squad being along the lines of:

Kepa

Christensen

James

RLC

Mount

Ampadu (Remembered him this time)

Billy Gilmour

CHO 

Abraham

Kante

Rudiger

Pulisic

+ a few TOP Quality signings, especially a Striker.

If we lose Hazard, hope we use the money wisely. Hate the idea of losing Hazard end of this season and keeping Willian & Pedro. IF Hazard goes, then I hope we have a clear-out as the thought of Willian & Pedro both playing regularly, for me spells a season of mediocrity.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me you are dreaming if you think we will get top Italian players, we are only likely to get Italian players out of favour, those unhappy on the bench.

That is why for me you keep Kovacic until you have a decent replacement.

For me RLC is like Ramsay for Arsenal only likely to be fit half the season, squad player. 

I don't think Barkley has the legs for the B2B left sided midfielder like Kante does and suspect this is why he appears more defensive as he is worried about getting back.