1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Absolutely laughable people are still suggesting we are too good for Jesus. 

Out of nothing that goal. 

Are we going to hear this every time he scores?

Werner has just scored too.

Just now, Argo said:

Are we going to hear this every time he scores?

Werner has just scored too.

Yes, because we missed a trick here and its utterly laughable reading some people's arguments suggesting we are apparently too good for him. 

Also, coming from a poster who continues to defend Havertz' abysmal performances because he allows the team to be "free flowing", its a bit strange you are comparing Jesus to Werner. 

 

 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Yes, because we missed a trick here and its utterly laughable reading some people's arguments suggesting we are apparently too good for him. 

Also, coming from a poster who continues to defend Havertz' abysmal performances because he allows the team to be "free flowing", its a bit strange you are comparing Jesus to Werner. 

 

 

I didn't really rate him that highly at City and was praying Pep was using him to replace Aguero (in 2017). I'm not going to suddenly start raving over him just because he's plays for Arsenal.

Also speaking of team dynamics, the reason Jesus became avaliable in the first place is because he couldn't get in a team with no other forward for that very reason.

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

Are we going to hear this every time he scores?

Werner has just scored too.

Tbf both Werner and Jesus are far better than our current dross so there's a good chance.

Wouldn't surprise me to see them both hit over 20 this season.

I wouldn't put money on our forwards aside from Mount and Sterling scoring 10 league goals between then all season.

We missed out on Jesus. He was the absolute perfect fit for us. 

Edit - Jesus has now scored as many league goals this season as Ziyech did in his 1st season with us and is also halfway to Pulisics average league goals per season across his entire career.

Edited August 13, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

I didn't really rate him that highly at City and was praying Pep was using him to replace Aguero (in 2017). I'm not going to suddenly start raving over him just because he's plays for Arsenal.

Also speaking of team dynamics, the reason Jesus became avaliable in the first place is because he couldn't get in a team with no other forward for that very reason.

So its a criticism now that Jesus couldn't get ahead of Sergio Aguero? 

He presses, is involved in the build up, has great movement off the ball, and makes things happen out of nothing. It was evident he would improve Arsenal tremendously and with the way our attack functions he would've slotted right in. Again, its makes no sense you defend Havertz's awful performances and display a level of arrogance towards Jesus. 

 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So its a criticism now that Jesus couldn't get ahead of Sergio Aguero? 

Or Foden, or whoever Pep was using as false 9.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Or Foden, or whoever Pep was using as false 9.

He's played more matches at CF than Foden, who both work well there considering they are involved in the build up and move the ball better. Something you are willing to die by the sword on with in your defence of Havertz's pathetic goal tally. 

 

26 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yes, because we missed a trick here and its utterly laughable reading some people's arguments suggesting we are apparently too good for him. 

Also, coming from a poster who continues to defend Havertz' abysmal performances because he allows the team to be "free flowing", its a bit strange you are comparing Jesus to Werner. 

 

 

I have been watching the game Sconnie and the way Arsenal are set up and playing is completely different to us. There have been periods in that half, particularly the last 10 minutes, where there have been occasions where they have had just one centre-back and their keeper in their own half. Zinchenko has been their best player and has roamed all across the pitch. Tuchel would never play such a role fluid formation as that.

2 minutes ago, just said:

I have been watching the game Sconnie and the way Arsenal are set up and playing is completely different to us. There have been periods in that half, particularly the last 10 minutes, where there have been occasions where they have had just one centre-back and their keeper in their own half. Zinchenko has been their best player and has roamed all across the pitch. Tuchel would never play such a role fluid formation as that.

There is no different in the way Jesus performs than our current attacking set up. It's dynamic. He isn't ever in one place. He either gets involved in the build up or is making runs from either side. 

Literally the same thing our front three is responsible in doing. 

2 minutes ago, just said:

I have been watching the game Sconnie and the way Arsenal are set up and playing is completely different to us. There have been periods in that half, particularly the last 10 minutes, where there have been occasions where they have had just one centre-back and their keeper in their own half. Zinchenko has been their best player and has roamed all across the pitch. Tuchel would never play such a role fluid formation as that.

He literally had Chilwell and James basically as number 10s in possesion before their injuries.

We were playing so high at Everton one ball over the top led to Gray 1 on 1 vs Silva.

Fair enough criticising the attacking performances at times but the narrative Tuchel is a defensive manager is utter nonsense.

 

34 minutes ago, Argo said:

He literally had Chilwell and James basically as number 10s in possesion before their injuries.

We were playing so high at Everton one ball over the top led to Gray 1 on 1 vs Silva.

Fair enough criticising the attacking performances at times but the narrative Tuchel is a defensive manager is utter nonsense.

 

Again, disagree with you Argo. When Leicester scored to make it 3-2 there were 15 minutes left. Arteta and Arsenal continued to pour players forwards in numbers and that directly resulted in the fourth goal. TT would never have done that. We would have sat deep, try to keep possession and run the clock down.

Even now in this game 82nd minutes gone on my stream, and Arsenal had six players in the Leicester box on their last quick fire attack!

1 minute ago, just said:

Again, disagree with you Argo. When Leicester scored to make it 3-2 there were 15 minutes left. Arteta and Arsenal continued to pour players forwards in numbers and that directly resulted in the fourth goal. TT would never have done that. We would have sat deep, try to keep possession and run the clock down.

Even now in this game 82nd minutes gone on my stream, and Arsenal had six players in the Leicester box on their last quick fire attack!

He did against the same opponents last season, and against Juve to name two.

Arsenal fans biggest criticism of Arteta is how he sits back and holds leads, some have even gone as far as to compare him to Pulis.

Just now, Argo said:

He did against the same opponents last season, and against Juve to name two.

Arsenal fans biggest criticism of Arteta is how he sits back and holds leads, some have even gone as far as to compare him to Pulis.

Can you post up the match reports?

3 minutes ago, just said:

Again, disagree with you Argo. When Leicester scored to make it 3-2 there were 15 minutes left. Arteta and Arsenal continued to pour players forwards in numbers and that directly resulted in the fourth goal. TT would never have done that. We would have sat deep, try to keep possession and run the clock down.

Even now in this game 82nd minutes gone on my stream, and Arsenal had six players in the Leicester box on their last quick fire attack!

You can swing this another way though. When Arsenal went 3-1 up, they could have taken the tempo out of the game and played out a comforable 3-1 win. By continuing to push on like they have, they let Leicester back in. Yes, they got the goal again straight after, but they can't keep doing that all season.

And another point @Argo. Have you noticed how Party and Xhaka are both regularly getting forwards when the situation dictates? Neither of them are just sitting deep and playing short passes!

3 minutes ago, just said:

Can you post up the match reports?

"But Chelsea, who stretched their lead at the top to six points before Saturday's later kick-offs, could have had more as Schmeichel saved smartly from Chilwell and Callum Hudson-Odoi curled inches over.

The Blues had also three goals ruled out for offside, the assistant's flag foiling Hudson-Odoi, Reece James and substitute Christian Pulisic, who slotted home Chelsea's third from Hakim Ziyech's cross."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59271458

"James, Hudson-Odoi and Silva all saw efforts saved either side of the break before the England right-back superbly controlled a headed clearance, taking it away from the defender as he did so, before volleying past Szczesny and a couple of defenders who were attempting to get back.

The England defender joins Liverpool's Mohamed Salah as the only Premier League player to have scored five goals and provided five assists in all competitions this season.

Hudson-Odoi rounded off an excellent Chelsea performance with a composed finish after James, Hakim Ziyech and Ruben Loftus-Cheek combined in a slick move."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59379437

Just now, Scott Harris said:

You can swing this another way though. When Arsenal went 3-1 up, they could have taken the tempo out of the game and played out a comforable 3-1 win. By continuing to push on like they have, they let Leicester back in. Yes, they got the goal again straight after, but they can't keep doing that all season.

How do you know they would have seen it out? Slowing the game down, inviting Leicester forward. How do you know?

 

Just now, just said:

How do you know they would have seen it out? Slowing the game down, inviting Leicester forward. How do you know?

 

Because it tends to happen in football more often than not. 3-1 up in football on 70 minutes, you slow the game down with possession which saps all of the energy out of the opposition leaving gaps to be exploited. You can't keep trying to play high intensity football for 90 minutes in every game, it becomes harder and harder to maintain as the season goes on and teams find themselves throwing away points from winning positions.

I don't think Tuchel wants a small striker, height is probably a requirement according to his record of who he plays there: Kai, Lukaku, Broja, chasing Aubameyang, Lewa and not being linked with the likes of Jesus and Icardi etc.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

"But Chelsea, who stretched their lead at the top to six points before Saturday's later kick-offs, could have had more as Schmeichel saved smartly from Chilwell and Callum Hudson-Odoi curled inches over.

The Blues had also three goals ruled out for offside, the assistant's flag foiling Hudson-Odoi, Reece James and substitute Christian Pulisic, who slotted home Chelsea's third from Hakim Ziyech's cross."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59271458

"James, Hudson-Odoi and Silva all saw efforts saved either side of the break before the England right-back superbly controlled a headed clearance, taking it away from the defender as he did so, before volleying past Szczesny and a couple of defenders who were attempting to get back.

The England defender joins Liverpool's Mohamed Salah as the only Premier League player to have scored five goals and provided five assists in all competitions this season.

Hudson-Odoi rounded off an excellent Chelsea performance with a composed finish after James, Hakim Ziyech and Ruben Loftus-Cheek combined in a slick move."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59379437

You're joking right? The first game we were 3-0 up! The second game we were 4-0 up! How does that possibly compare, in any way whatsoever, to being pegged back to 3-2 at home with 15 minutes left and still pushing players forwards in numbers and going on the attack to win the game!

Wolves and Burnley at home last season, (and to a slightly lesser extent Everton too), are classic examples of games we were leading and he tried to close up shop only to invite more pressure and concede late equalisers.

 I am TT fan Argo and believe he's currently the best man for the job, but he is a defend first manager no doubt. I believe, well hope, that he will loosen the reins and play a more free flowing style of football when he gets the right personnel under him.

Just now, just said:

You're joking right? The first game we were 3-0 up! The second game we were 4-0 up! How does that possibly compare, in any way whatsoever, to being pegged back to 3-2 at home with 15 minutes left and still pushing players forwards in numbers and going on the attack to win the game!

Wolves and Burnley at home last season, (and to a slightly lesser extent Everton too), are classic examples of games we were leading and he tried to close up shop only to invite more pressure and concede late equalisers.

 I am TT fan Argo and believe he's currently the best man for the job, but he is a defend first manager no doubt. I believe, well hope, that he will loosen the reins and play a more free flowing style of football when he gets the right personnel under him.

Yes, but we didn't sit back after scoring that's the point.

Wolves I'll give but Burnley? That was probably the best performance I've ever seen in a match we didn't win, would have been 5 or 6 if it weren't for Pope.

13 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Because it tends to happen in football more often than not. 3-1 up in football on 70 minutes, you slow the game down with possession which saps all of the energy out of the opposition leaving gaps to be exploited. You can't keep trying to play high intensity football for 90 minutes in every game, it becomes harder and harder to maintain as the season goes on and teams find themselves throwing away points from winning positions.

I agree Scott. You can't play every game at high intensity, fast pace for 90 minutes. But that is not we are talking about here is it? The point we are discussing is Arteta's decision to keep pushing players forwards in a bid to score again, not sit deep and try to hold what they had.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Yes, but we didn't sit back after scoring that's the point.

Wolves I'll give but Burnley? That was probably the best performance I've ever seen in a match we didn't win, would have been 5 or 6 if it weren't for Pope.

Yep, had lots of chances against Burnley and didn't take them. But we dropped deeper and deeper in the latter stages of the game to try and hold the ball and protect the lead. It didn't work.

"Burnley created very little until the 70th minute when they started to improve and, while Vydra's goal was not inevitable, it was not completely against the run of play.

The visitors could have won it too. Jay Rodriguez lacked conviction in injury-time when he headed for the corner flag instead of going for goal, and Vydra hit a half-volley wide from a long Pope clearance."

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Are we going to hear this every time he scores?

Werner has just scored too.

Well we hear pulisic is rubbish every three posts

5 hours ago, Argo said:

Are we going to hear this every time he scores?

Werner has just scored too.

I guess now isn't a good time to tell you that Lukaku just scored as well LOL