10 hours ago, Argo said:

The most clueless post I've ever seen here. Embarrassing!

Remind me what happened the match after these two again.

Different times and Eden Hazard.

And we faced a poor United in the final. We are NOT facing a poor Liverpool so apples and oranges.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Mana

18 minutes ago, Mana said:

Different times and Eden Hazard.

And we faced a poor United in the final. We are NOT facing a poor Liverpool so apples and oranges.

It's always "different this time".

Let's not pretend at the time there wasn't loads of doomsday theories going on about Jose's record in FA Cup finals (and Conte's poor record in cups full stop).

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's always "different this time".

Let's not pretend at the time there wasn't loads of doomsday theories going on about Jose's record in FA Cup finals (and Conte's poor record in cups full stop).

Doesn’t matter. And it is really different this time. When was the last time we went to a domestic cup final facing a stronger side than us (and win?)

 

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Mana

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Doesn’t matter. And it is really different this time. When was the last time we went to a domestic cup final facing a stronger side than us (and win?)

 

2018- Wembley-  CFC vs Man Utd - Hazard penalty wins it.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by strider6004

10 minutes ago, Mana said:

Doesn’t matter. And it is really different this time. When was the last time we went to a domestic cup final facing a stronger side than us (and win?)

 

We haven't lost in regulation play to this very side under Tuchel if you want to play that game.

Infact we've been the better side on every occasion (admittedly our usual brain freeze in front of goal cost us truly taking advantage more often than not).

9 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

2018- Wembley-  CFC vs Man Utd - Hazard penalty wins it.

You didn’t answer the question. United were not stronger than us.

58 minutes ago, Evenflow20 said:

Nope!

We will be the new Man U! The new owner is here for the money not the club or love of football. He's our Glazer

Enjoy the top 4 conversations while we still can ladies & gentlemen! 

Wow, someone who can see into the future, aren't we lucky...

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

We haven't lost in regulation play to this very side under Tuchel if you want to play that game.

Infact we've been the better side on every occasion (admittedly our usual brain freeze in front of goal cost us truly taking advantage more often than not).

????
We still lost to Klopp? The final does not have to end in 90 minutes. The LC final is almost the same as this FA Cup final. The only difference really is the name.

And we lost to them.

1 hour ago, Evenflow20 said:

Can you blame them?

 

Yes! They get paid millions and they can’t get a grip to be eager to beat mid table and relegation fodder? Still have to get Chelsea, the Club that pays them sh*t loads of money, into the CL next season. Unprofessional is the least we can call them, and yes, we’ve got a right to ask from them the best they can while they are under contract with Chelsea.

17 minutes ago, Mana said:

????
We still lost to Klopp? The final does not have to end in 90 minutes. The LC final is almost the same as this FA Cup final. The only difference really is the name.

And we lost to them.

Technically speaking it counts as a draw as Jose 1.0 is classed as unbeaten domestically at Stamford Bridge despite the Charlton shootout.

Either way it certainly shows that this narrative you're spinning about how it's going to be a cricket score doesn't really stand up to the recent history of this fixture and certainly doesn't stand up to the history of Klopp vs Tuchel (especially since it's been a more even playing field since the latter left Mainz) or Tuchel's big game record for that matter.

And we were in sh*t form before the Bridge and the last final too just in case "we were better then" is your next move.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Argo

23 hours ago, The Don Antonio said:

The issue with us playing 4 at the back is that alonso can't play left back and we don't have a pure defensive midfielder that can protect the back 4. Jorginho is not athletic enough and kante is too mobile to just sit in front of the defense. 

 

If we wanted to play that back four, we have the option of playing Malang Sarr at that left back. And I'm still suprised that a club as big as Chelsea does not have any deep lying defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the defense. This is the premier league, and matches are going to be difficult, how do we expect Jorginho to defend in that Midfield?

When we started using the 343 formation under Conte, I think it was Matic and Kante that played that Midfield, and that shows you the kind of players that should be in that midfield, but now we are using Jorginho, how will it work?

I expected us to get a good defensive midfielder last summer, and this is one of the reasons why I get annoyed at Thomas Tuchel.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by hephzibah

13 hours ago, Argo said:

The most clueless post I've ever seen here. Embarrassing!

Remind me what happened the match after these two again.

I was in a bad mood and I apologise for my blasphemy.

Unbelievable Jeff!

3 hours ago, Mana said:

Doesn’t matter. And it is really different this time. When was the last time we went to a domestic cup final facing a stronger side than us (and win?)

 

Stronger than us? They have beaten everyone this season, ....bar Chelsea FC, three attempts, zero wins, .....ZERO. Even when down to 10 men they can't beat us.

Some of our newer members were obviously born with ZERO backbone.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

It's always "different this time".

Let's not pretend at the time there wasn't loads of doomsday theories going on about Jose's record in FA Cup finals (and Conte's poor record in cups full stop).

I am pretty sure this was the season we beat Arsenal in the Europa under Sarri. Definitely Eden played a big part but different opposition.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Stronger than us? They have beaten everyone this season, ....bar Chelsea FC, three attempts, zero wins, .....ZERO. Even when down to 10 men they can't beat us.

WTF are you trying to say? So are you saying we are stronger than them?

That this team hold Liverpool by the neck? Because if I recall, we haven’t beaten Liverpool.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Some of our newer members were obviously born with ZERO backbone.

😂😂 

Just now, Mana said:

WTF are you trying to say? So are you saying we are stronger than them?

That this team hold Liverpool by the neck? Because if I recall, we haven’t beaten Liverpool.

😂😂 

YOU are the one saying "they are stronger than us", go check what you have written, then digest my reply, they have not beaten us, so how the f**k are they better than us ?

35 minutes ago, coco said:

YOU are the one saying "they are stronger than us", go check what you have written, then digest my reply, they have not beaten us, so how the f**k are they better than us ?

Well, I don’t know about you - but first thing I’ll do is fecking look at the league table. That should be easy.

Then the run of form. Only then our games against them. And I don’t care if it was a “draw”, Liverpool still beat us in the LC final.

Also by your logic, Everton are stronger than us. That’s how silly you’re putting this.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Mana

14 minutes ago, Mana said:

Well, I don’t know about you - but first thing I’ll do is fecking look at the league table. That should be easy.

Then the run of form. Only Then last our games against them. And I don’t care if it was a “draw”, Liverpool still beat us in the LC final.

Also by your logic, Everton are stronger than us. That’s how silly you’re putting this.

Oh yes silly me, you are right.

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Well, I don’t know about you - but first thing I’ll do is fecking look at the league table. That should be easy.

Then the run of form. Only then our games against them. And I don’t care if it was a “draw”, Liverpool still beat us in the LC final.

Also by your logic, Everton are stronger than us. That’s how silly you’re putting this.

But the problem is, you're claiming we will get hammered despite the fact in head to heads Tuchel has rarely lost a tactical battle against Klopp. 

Conte outcoached Klopp in his own back yard this weekend just gone, how exactly is it above Tuchel to do the same?

2 hours ago, Mana said:

Well, I don’t know about you - but first thing I’ll do is fecking look at the league table. That should be easy.

Then the run of form. Only then our games against them. And I don’t care if it was a “draw”, Liverpool still beat us in the LC final.

Also by your logic, Everton are stronger than us. That’s how silly you’re putting this.

They only beat us in the LC thanks to their friends the referees, otherwise Lukakus goal should have stand and we’d have walked with the Cup. And the refs are always there to give the victims a hand, f**k them.

On 07/05/2022 at 21:27, coombsie said:

Also I meant to add, Who, in the Police control room's bright idea was it to let Wolves fans, behaving as if they had just won the f**king Champions League out of the Shed End at PRECISELY the same time as the East Stand and the MH fans exiting at the Shed gate. The stewards looked shocked and a bit panicked, the Police, as usual did nothing, just let Wolves fans sing "Chelsea Rent boys" and 2-0 and you f**ked it up, all the way to Fulham Broadway. Surprised there wasn't more trouble and again I think that this was due to the mood of Chelsea fans, following our capitulation to a really poor team (again !!)

There was ONE very decent punch up, on the platform where a couple of 20's chavvy Wolves fans got a real pasting from some Chelsea lads, all over in about 30 seconds 😉

12 hours ago, Argo said:

But the problem is, you're claiming we will get hammered despite the fact in head to heads Tuchel has rarely lost a tactical battle against Klopp. 

The problem that I have isn't about TT and his tactics though. It's the players. They are mentally weak and currently all over the place at the moment. You think Chelsea going all panic stations in the last 15 minutes was part of Tuchel's plan? (even though his subs bar Alonso didn't help) I simply do not trust most of our players to get anything done now.

The only way I can give them an ounce of trust, is that they beat Leeds 4-0 (or similar).

12 hours ago, Argo said:

Conte outcoached Klopp in his own back yard this weekend just gone, how exactly is it above Tuchel to do the same?

Outcoached? Just because Spuds tightened the back doesn't mean Klopp was outcoached. 

Conte neutralised Klopp, but Conte still failed to beat Klopp and that's with Kane/Son the best PL duo. We don't have a Kane/Son or a clinical player to hurt them when it matters.

You cannot have a draw in a final, so just neutralising is not going to help.

Edited May 9, 20224 yr by Mana

1 hour ago, Mana said:

The problem that I have isn't about TT and his tactics though. It's the players. They are mentally weak and currently all over the place at the moment. You think Chelsea going all panic stations in the last 15 minutes was part of Tuchel's plan? (even though his subs bar Alonso didn't help) I simply do not trust most of our players to get anything done now.

The only way I can give them an ounce of trust, is that they beat Leeds 4-0 (or similar).

Outcoached? Just because Spuds tightened the back doesn't mean Klopp was outcoached. 

Conte neutralised Klopp, but Conte still failed to beat Klopp and that's with Kane/Son the best PL duo. We don't have a Kane/Son or a clinical player to hurt them when it matters.

You cannot have a draw in a final, so just neutralising is not going to help.

Yes yet Spurs were at Anfield not Wembley. 

33 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Yes yet Spurs were at Anfield not Wembley. 

It really doesn't matter if it was at Anfield or Wembley, Klopp wasn't outcoached. It's not like Spuds were unlucky at Anfield.

The only time I saw Klopp really outcoached in 2022 (even if it was 45 minutes), was Villarreal 2nd leg.

Edited May 9, 20224 yr by Mana