If we don't make a move, PSG probably will and then he will come to the bridge and score against us and knock us out the CL!

Football is a beano at the best of times!

Just now, Kantesmini said:

Yeah I get what youre saying and i agree to a certain extent however if youre ronaldo, The best player by awards in the world, You do what you have to, To win

On talksport they were saying he never wanted to return to utd but man city didnt really want him that much and utd swooped in

He probably just wants CL footie and a good squad to play in, And i dont blame him for that, Utd as a club have been in freefall since bacon face left!

I mean, he isn't the first player to refuse to return to training to force a move but it is the way United will make excuses for him. Saying yesterday that it was agreed and they will do the same thing today. When Martial did that last season, United left him out to dry and stated he refused to return, which Ronaldo is doing but they let him get away with it. Like I say phenomenal player, but I would rather we don't have that type of egotistical player on our team.

1 minute ago, thebluekid said:

You lot on here are unreal. Imagine not wanting the greatest footballer to ever play the game put the blue shirt on. Disgraceful. He'd be immense under a WORLD CLASS manager.

Utd & Juve fans thought he would take them to another level but both teams regressed with him. He is on £500k/w; that is not the kind of risk you take on a 37yr old player, especially as he will demand a 2yr contract. Tied into the previous point we have a manager who in 1 1/2 seasons hasn’t been able to get his forward line firing, last thing you want is signing a player bigger than the club up front. If he fails, you can bet it will be Tuchel out of the club before Ronnie leaves. 
Sarri said it best when he described Ronaldo as an “institution” within the club who can wake up one morning and decide to skip training to go buy a Ferrari. Not exactly the player you want when you are rebuilding.

4 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

Yeah I get what youre saying and i agree to a certain extent however if youre ronaldo, The best player by awards in the world, You do what you have to, To win

On talksport they were saying he never wanted to return to utd but man city didnt really want him that much and utd swooped in

He probably just wants CL footie and a good squad to play in, And i dont blame him for that, Utd as a club have been in freefall since bacon face left!

Didn't Utd finish second the year before Ronaldo joined? Almost as if the squad completely lost all harmony and concentrated on getting Ronaldo goals instead of concentrating on squad tactics to win games. 

Are we still on this...? Why would he move to a direct rival..? I never saw this as a possibility.

4 minutes ago, STATS said:

I mean, he isn't the first player to refuse to return to training to force a move but it is the way United will make excuses for him. Saying yesterday that it was agreed and they will do the same thing today. When Martial did that last season, United left him out to dry and stated he refused to return, which Ronaldo is doing but they let him get away with it. Like I say phenomenal player, but I would rather we don't have that type of egotistical player on our team.

Thats utd, I would hazard a guess that its because of club revenues now given utd are huge its not a huge loss but its looking like the utd spin machines been turned on and theyre slowly admitting hes gone - along with the sponser money shirt sales and general merch profits

Utd failed ronaldo lets be real, He probably expected to challenge and be part of the old utd and now hes gone after 1 season hehe

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Didn't Utd finish second the year before Ronaldo joined? Almost as if the squad completely lost all harmony and concentrated on getting Ronaldo goals instead of concentrating on squad tactics to win games. 

yeah good point however the stats say a lot for utd this year, ronaldo got more goals than our top scorer, Its the main reason i care tbh, Hes the best goal scorer around esp as hes done it everywhere, thats what makes him better on paper than messi, Ronaldo is a 'variety streamer' haha

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6 minutes ago, evissy said:

Are we still on this...? Why would he move to a direct rival..? I never saw this as a possibility.

Mainly hot air i suspect but after dropping 3/4 targets he really isnt a bad option, esp if we get him on a year or 2 contract, If he wrecks the harmony we can get rid

Either way we really need to see some quality come in, Im hesitant to say anyone as we all know what a disaster that can turn into but sheesh, Squeaky bum time as he would say

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1 minute ago, Kantesmini said:

yeah good point however the stats say a lot for utd this year, ronaldo got more goals than our top scorer, Its the main reason i care tbh, Hes the best goal scorer around esp as hes done it everywhere, thats what makes him better on paper than messi, Ronaldo is a 'variety streamer' haha

With the goals though i feel like we'd lose the creativity and press that someone like Kai offers at number 9. One of the same reasons Lukaku didn't work up top for us, kinda wish we'd pursued Jesus or Richarlison a bit harder. It's the same reason i'd be willing to give someone like Broja, who will be hungry to impress, a run instead. 

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

Are we still on this...? Why would he move to a direct rival..? I never saw this as a possibility.

Ronaldo has no loyalty, he wanted to join City over Utd. He'd certainly move to a direct rival if it meant more personal glory. 

 

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

No doubt Ronaldo would come and be our top scorer but it would be to the detriment of the team. As you saw with Ronaldo last season, scored plenty of goals for Utd but as a team they were much better the year before. Hope this deal doesn't happen, stupid transfer. 

That's because a lot of their players (and manager) have no standards and were in their comfort zone merely finishing top four and bottling every competition.

Ronaldo came in and actually started demanding significant results and many of the players couldn't cope, especially Maguire by many accounts.

47 minutes ago, Argo said:

That's because a lot of their players (and manager) have no standards and were in their comfort zone merely finishing top four and bottling every competition.

Ronaldo came in and actually started demanding significant results and many of the players couldn't cope, especially Maguire by many accounts.

I don't think it is that. Ronaldo is a "me, me, me" type of player, and demands that all attacks go through him, with the rest of the team playing for him. It is no coincidence that Benzema is having his best days at Real Madrid after Ronaldo has gone and Juve and Utd regressed as teams with him. He is also a player that would not start the press high up the pitch as Tuchel's system demands, basically leaving us weaker defensively, very much like Lukaku did.

I think we're all mostly on the same page about CR7, had this been last season instead of Lukaku then maybe. Now despite how good he looks after his body and the ability he still possess it feels like it's a move that doesn't really make any practical sense and would suggest we learned nothing from last season. 

He doesn't fit the playstyle that allowed us to compete with City and Liverpool on equal footing. For us to be able to reach our top performance levels we need mobile players from the front to the back, that means the ability to press. Unless it's something similar to Silva,in which we just look at it and say he can help the younger ones then maybe. 

I never thought I'd see the day we would turn down Ronaldo, but yeah I'd rather sign Sterling and MDL. That being said if we sign the two players aforementioned and go in for CR7 I won't exactly cry about it. My opinion on signing ronaldo is very simple if he comes I'll support him and I will not complain because he only comes in my honest opinion if Tuchel agrees. So if TT wants him that's enough justification for me.

Don't want that arrogant man-child anywhere near our team. 

13 minutes ago, RMH said:

I don't think it is that. Ronaldo is a "me, me, me" type of player, and demands that all attacks go through him, with the rest of the team playing for him. It is no coincidence that Benzema is having his best days at Real Madrid after Ronaldo has gone and Juve and Utd regressed as teams with him. He is also a player that would not start the press high up the pitch as Tuchel's system demands, basically leaving us weaker defensively, very much like Lukaku did.

Don't get me wrong I do agree the cons outweigh the pros of getting a 37 year old Ronaldo but I think blaming him for United's downfall is too easy a get out for some of the rest of those players who are probably worse than Ronaldo in ego when you ratio it against talent and achievements, some of those players literally cannot take any criticism (for example McTominay got aggy with a reporter who pointed out Ragnick's criticism of many stray passes). Ronaldo has worked incredibly hard to get where he is and you can only imagine how it was for him as an inconsistent teenager under Fergie and having Roy Keane as his skipper.

Also if United truly were a better team without Ronaldo then we'd have seen it the times he didn't play (like with us and Lukaku) but they didn't win a single game he didn't feature in after his arrival.

What better way to disrupt a sound group than bring someone like Ronaldo in. He basically ousted OGS and controlled things at UTD.

One of the best players ever, no doubt and would score 10-15 goals with ease but I want a team player rather than him.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

That's because a lot of their players (and manager) have no standards and were in their comfort zone merely finishing top four and bottling every competition.

Ronaldo came in and actually started demanding significant results and many of the players couldn't cope, especially Maguire by many accounts.

So you agree he completely ruined all of the squads confidence and harmony? 

The team as a whole scored 16 goals less in the league than the year before, but at least Ronaldo scored a bunch of goals for himself. 

28 minutes ago, RMH said:

I don't think it is that. Ronaldo is a "me, me, me" type of player, and demands that all attacks go through him, with the rest of the team playing for him. It is no coincidence that Benzema is having his best days at Real Madrid after Ronaldo has gone and Juve and Utd regressed as teams with him. He is also a player that would not start the press high up the pitch as Tuchel's system demands, basically leaving us weaker defensively, very much like Lukaku did.

After he left utd the first time evereyone thought that but then he went and became even better and it suddenly wasnt the ronaldo show

He was in a sh*te utd squad this time and they didnt even get CL

Any player regardless would be right to move if you want CL esp if you think the squad isnt up to it and the club just isnt the same as before

IMO players who throw their toys out because ronaldo is getting all the attention or is being played over them was always hilarious because you knew its just child like jelousy and show bad character in those that act like that esp at utd this time

All ronaldo needs is a quality squad because he wants to win and we should use him if we get a chance, Who cares about anything else, Our no 1 issue is goals

shore up defence and mid and find a goalscorer is the remit

Goldbridge is on it, I agree largely with his take on it tbh

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10 minutes ago, Argo said:

Don't get me wrong I do agree the cons outweigh the pros of getting a 37 year old Ronaldo but I think blaming him for United's downfall is too easy a get out for some of the rest of those players who are probably worse than Ronaldo in ego when you ratio it against talent and achievements, some of those players literally cannot take any criticism (for example McTominay got aggy with a reporter who pointed out Ragnick's criticism of many stray passes). Ronaldo has worked incredibly hard to get where he is and you can only imagine how it was for him as an inconsistent teenager under Fergie and having Roy Keane as his skipper.

Also if United truly were a better team without Ronaldo then we'd have seen it the times he didn't play (like with us and Lukaku) but they didn't win a single game he didn't feature in after his arrival.

I partially agree with you that Utd's woes are not uniquely called Ronaldo, but having bought him has had a negative impact in some of their better players, like Fernandes not being as effective as he'd been before, or Cavani (who was keeping them alive the 20/21 season) not featuring as much and being les dangerous. 

 

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So you agree he completely ruined all of the squads confidence and harmony? 

They had "confidence and harmony" because they were in their comfort zone not achieving anything and turning on the style when it didn't really matter.

41 minutes ago, Argo said:

They had "confidence and harmony" because they were in their comfort zone not achieving anything and turning on the style when it didn't really matter.

their comfort zone was still more successful than under the guise of Ronaldo