10 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

Redcafe has been at peak delusion lately

Every player going they're like ''he was ours'' and every signing top 4 clubs make they're sh*tting on them haha more like bitter utd now I swear, I take some relief in hoping most are but younglings but jesus christ this transfer window and year has been nuts

Some even still go on about our finances, Its a mental hospital!

they are in big trouble as all of their reported targets are Eredivisie players, who have rarely worked in the PL. I don't see De Jong joining them, he would have to be dragged there for him to go. Malacia is on Malang Sarr's level, Eriksen is a good transfer and Anthony would be a good transfer but don't see him being sold

18 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Seen a few reports floating around Man U are braced for a bid from us, some reports saying we may bid £14m for him. Like so many on here I'm torn, he's one of the goats no doubt in my mind. If he was even a few years younger we wouldn't even debate this, I think we're all for this.

Personally I don't think we need an out and out number 9, we won the UCL with such a fluid style of play. I'm more in favour of switching to a back 4 and having more creative players on the field at the same time. I think any combination of 4 forward thinking players should do it whether that's in a 4231, 433 or 4222. 

With Sterling all but done I'd like another forward player but more a hybrid like Sterling who could play at least either wing and perhaps either number 10 also or false 9. 

That said Ronaldo would feast on goals here  TT is genius enough to tailor make a system to get the best out of him and everyone else. Unlike Lukaku he won't necessarily wait for the ball to come to feet, he will move around and cause chaos. I also think he would be a great role model for Kai to base his game on and for the others like Mount, Pulisic, CHO etc to see what it takes to be the very best. Commitment to fitness. 

My stance is the same if he comes I'm ok with it maybe slightly excited since it tells me Tuchel has agreed to it. Which means he has a plan. If he doesn't come I'll see it as the right decision for all the cons we've pointed out.

Was agreeing with your points until you mentioned “Tuchel was a genius enough to tailor a system..” somehow ALL our forward players have been awful under him.

Ronaldo is also a box player that won’t press. Think he was just ahead of Lukaku in the league in that respect. As for benching a £67m player for him; he is in his 3rd season here, last season he played 2nd fiddle to Lukaku also. We are just wasting his & our time. If I were him & Broja; once you sign Ronaldo, I am handing in a transfer request (especially Havertz in a World Cup year).

You'd think Ronaldo would love to lead the press ... a good cardio work out each game would keep him in tip top shape for all his instagram preening ... 

Hard pass from me. As dkw has alluded to ... he sucks the life (and goals) out of the rest of the team ...

Edited July 7, 20224 yr by Sexyfootball

10 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

he sucks the life (and goals) out of the rest of the team ...

What goals?

Jorginho finished as our top scorer the in 2020/2021 with 8

Only mount scored 10 league oals for us last season.

I don't want Ronaldo but it's not like he can take any goals away from Pulisic and Ziyech!  We have no goals to suck.

Edited July 7, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

Just now, HazardousChoice said:

What goals?

Jorginho finished as our top scorer the in 2020/2021

Only mount scored 10 goals last season.

I don't want Ronaldo but it's not like he can take any goals away from Pulisic and Ziyech!

In your desire to have your latest pop at Pulisic, you seem to have missed the whole crux of the argument, in that last year was our third highest season in the Roman era for goals scored, with goals spread across the whole team, which is most likely going to be impacted by Ronaldo wanting to be the main man for goalscoring and channel everything through him, viz a viz dfw's post above about Juventus and Manchester United scoring less goals with Ronaldo than they did in the previous season without him, and hence the inference that the same trend would continue if he came to us ...  :-) 

12 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

You'd think Ronaldo would love to lead the press ... a good cardio work out each game would keep him in tip top shape for all his instagram preening ... 

Hard pass from me. As dkw has alluded to ... he sucks the life (and goals) out of the rest of the team ...

Man utd are so crap they had to rely on him, had leaks pouring out the dressing room, The clubs a beano, Ronaldo in a decent team only kicks off if they're doing rubbish, Our lot could use a kick up the arse here and there we also lack some exp although silva but at a bargain price on a one or two year deal I see it as cheat code tbh, Very decent stop gap

12 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

, you seem to have missed the whole crux of the argument, in that last year was our third highest season in the Roman era for goals scored

That's a meaningless stat because we played more games this season than in all but 1 season under Roman.

Reaching both domestic cup finals,  the super cup, club world cup. Champions league QF (we only missed 3 possible games this season)

4 Finals we reached based on our defence and we managed 3 goals in nearly 500 minutes across them. 1 being a penalty.

In terms of goals per game our numbers weren't quite so good.

United suffered due to Ronaldo because previous consistent goal scorers like Bruno, Rashford and Sancho didn't score as much as before.

That's not really a worry for us as we're not going to miss the pathetic output out attacking players bring.  That's the reason we're linked with Ronaldo in the first place.

I don't even want Ronaldo but him taking time/goals away from our terrible set of options isn't the reason.

Edited July 7, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

38 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Was agreeing with your points until you mentioned “Tuchel was a genius enough to tailor a system..” somehow ALL our forward players have been awful under him.

Ronaldo is also a box player that won’t press. Think he was just ahead of Lukaku in the league in that respect. As for benching a £67m player for him; he is in his 3rd season here, last season he played 2nd fiddle to Lukaku also. We are just wasting his & our time. If I were him & Broja; once you sign Ronaldo, I am handing in a transfer request (especially Havertz in a World Cup year).

That's fair, I just feel like if Tuchel agrees to signing him then he's more than capable of concocting some sort of system to bring out the best in him and those around him. After all Tuchel is a genius, you have to be to win the ucl with that team after picking them up 9th in the league with no real direction out of the slump during that time. 

Whilst attacking players have underperformed under him, none of them are players he bought aside from Lukaku which we've now come to find was a board signing. Yes some blame for the lack of consistent performances from our forwards must fall at his door. Yet we scored more goals last season than we have in a long time, we had a ridiculous amount of different goalscorers and despite the boring football at times he's managed to assert almost complete control over most games with a squad featuring at least 4 different managers.

My point is I'm not for Ronaldo, but if he signs it's because Tuchel has a plan and I believe he is more than competent to make that plan succeed. There is a big difference in movement between Ronaldo and Lukaku, whilst the pressing issue may remain the same. The key difference will be Ronaldo would still in theory score much more goals to offset his lack of pressing actions unlike Lukaku who proved to be a liability in almost all aspects of play.

11 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

In your desire to have your latest pop at Pulisic, you seem to have missed the whole crux of the argument, in that last year was our third highest season in the Roman era for goals scored, with goals spread across the whole team, which is most likely going to be impacted by Ronaldo wanting to be the main man for goalscoring and channel everything through him, viz a viz dfw's post above about Juventus and Manchester United scoring less goals with Ronaldo than they did in the previous season without him, and hence the inference that the same trend would continue if he came to us ...  🙂

our forwards and midfield need to step up this season in terms of scoring goals. While most of the forward players sucked in every aspect of their game they are not bad players, they are internationals. To me its TT style of play, pragmatic and safety first, boring sideways football; now whether that's because the players he has he doesn't fit into the way he wants to play or they all had off seasons I don't know.  If he doesn't get our forwards playing to their strengths and not putting the ball in the back of the net TT's reputation goes down the toilet.  While I don't necessary believe that CR7 will be the magic bullet but he just might get our talented forwards scoring again.  You can play him, Havertz and Sterling up front with the understanding that's he's not going to press or necessarily charge back and defend...but he will score goals even given half a chance, and we created more than enough half chances last season all of which were squandered.   

If we can get one of the GOAT players and goal scorers for a decent price, then I'm in. I'm sure merchandise sales alone world wide will be more than enough to supplement his no doubt high wage demand. The only concern might be the rumours coming out of the Utd camp re how fragmented the dressing room was and that IMO was due the total mess they were in before he arrived, not solely because he returned and demanded to be played every game and upset everyone. 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Was agreeing with your points until you mentioned “Tuchel was a genius enough to tailor a system..” somehow ALL our forward players have been awful under him.

Ronaldo is also a box player that won’t press. Think he was just ahead of Lukaku in the league in that respect. As for benching a £67m player for him; he is in his 3rd season here, last season he played 2nd fiddle to Lukaku also. We are just wasting his & our time. If I were him & Broja; once you sign Ronaldo, I am handing in a transfer request (especially Havertz in a World Cup year).

Havertz doesn't have to play in the middle. And I'd argue Havertz is nowhere near as good a number 9 as most of the strikers our rivals have

Has Ronaldo ever played in a team as possession heavy as Tuchels? I just think he'll bag goals for fun for us given the amount of chances we'd create. As for him making teams worse, I don't think United won a single game without him last season

Not to mention despite his ego, Ronaldo is an extremely professional player. If Tuchel asked him to press he wouldn't exactly just say no would he.  

40 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

That's a meaningless stat because we played more games this season than in all but 1 season under Roman.

We played the same number of league games (38) as we do every year ... and we scored 76 goals, which is our 3rd highest total in the Roman era.

9 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Has Ronaldo ever played in a team as possession heavy as Tuchels? I just think he'll bag goals for fun for us given the amount of chances we'd create. As for him making teams worse, I don't think United won a single game without him last season

👏.. good question. Fergie’s Utd, Jose’s Madrid, Zidane’s Madrid & Allegri’s Juve don’t play possession football. Sarri’s Juve is probably the closest he got to playing in a possession team, but it wasn’t Sarri’s team but a team clobbered up and Sarri was only there for 1 season.

18 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

our forwards and midfield need to step up this season in terms of scoring goals. While most of the forward players sucked in every aspect of their game they are not bad players, they are internationals. To me its TT style of play, pragmatic and safety first, boring sideways football; now whether that's because the players he has he doesn't fit into the way he wants to play or they all had off seasons I don't know.  If he doesn't get our forwards playing to their strengths and not putting the ball in the back of the net TT's reputation goes down the toilet.  While I don't necessary believe that CR7 will be the magic bullet but he just might get our talented forwards scoring again.  You can play him, Havertz and Sterling up front with the understanding that's he's not going to press or necessarily charge back and defend...but he will score goals even given half a chance, and we created more than enough half chances last season all of which were squandered.   

If we can get one of the GOAT players and goal scorers for a decent price, then I'm in. I'm sure merchandise sales alone world wide will be more than enough to supplement his no doubt high wage demand. The only concern might be the rumours coming out of the Utd camp re how fragmented the dressing room was and that IMO was due the total mess they were in before he arrived, not solely because he returned and demanded to be played every game and upset everyone. 

Issue with him not pressing is your front man is the trigger for the rest of the team. Sure you can have Sterling lead the press on the left, issue is if Ronnie is just strolling around in the middle (which he does), the chain is broken. 

Ronaldo would 'probably' score a lot in our team, we create a lot of chances but have abysmal finishers considering. Obviously there are questions about his age/ability decline, and his temperament within the squad. 

11 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

We played the same number of league games (38) as we do every year ... and we scored 76 goals, which is our 3rd highest total in the Roman era.

In the league fair enough.  

But we're not competing against past Chelsea teams in different era's of football.  

We don't score enough goals to compete against City or Liverpool over the full season and it's not a small gap.  We're routinely 20-25 and sometimes even 30 goals behind over the course of a season

Do you think the attacking players at the club have the talent to score as many goals as City and Liverpools forwards do?

Edited July 7, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

1 hour ago, Kantesmini said:

Redcafe has been at peak delusion lately

Every player going they're like ''he was ours'' and every signing top 4 clubs make they're sh*tting on them haha more like bitter utd now I swear, I take some relief in hoping most are but younglings but jesus christ this transfer window and year has been nuts

Some even still go on about our finances, Its a mental hospital!

They have been like this for a few years now. They remind me of what Liverpool fans were like before Klopp. Every signing they make is apparently world class and every year it's "this is our year".

Remember when we signed Hazard and they signed Kagawa and they convinced themselves that they got the better player? 😆

 

25 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Has Ronaldo ever played in a team as possession heavy as Tuchels? I just think he'll bag goals for fun for us given the amount of chances we'd create. As for him making teams worse, I don't think United won a single game without him last season

Not sure about Juve but at Utd and Madrid they were very much about fast paced attack and counter attack, pretty much the exact opposite to how we currently play.

7 minutes ago, ducavis said:

👏.. good question. Fergie’s Utd, Jose’s Madrid, Zidane’s Madrid & Allegri’s Juve don’t play possession football. Sarri’s Juve is probably the closest he got to playing in a possession team, but it wasn’t Sarri’s team but a team clobbered up and Sarri was only there for 1 season.

Issue with him not pressing is your front man is the trigger for the rest of the team. Sure you can have Sterling lead the press on the left, issue is if Ronnie is just strolling around in the middle (which he does), the chain is broken. 

A lot will depend how TT sets the team up.  I still think though he'll end up in Europe somewhere and not the PL just to perhaps show some respect for Utd, plus the fans would give him a torrid time when he returns for us or any other PL club. If he wants Champions League football from a PL club his choice is limited to Spurs and us, cause he won't go to City and I very much doubt Liverpool are interested either.

All this talk of tactics are meaningless to me. One man doesn't change everything but if you want get goals for a season, I agree with Roy Keane for once, he will get 50 for us. 

Take a punt, leverage his contract towards pay per goal.  in the grand scheme of things he is not going to be that expensive compared to the revenue he will generate. If it don't work drop him. 

I would take a gamble,  he is still an incredible player. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Utd now saying hes for sale officially.

Get the juicer in!

Can I just stress how much I don't like him? He really makes my skin crawl.

Buying Ronaldo and selling Werner/Broja would make us the DiMatteo of football clubs. Won the Champions League, but really haven´t understood why it happened.

55 minutes ago, andy said:

All this talk of tactics are meaningless to me. One man doesn't change everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah that´s why Chelsea is paying Fatkaku to play for another club. Cause one man doesn´t change everything.

11 minutes ago, ElTerrible said:

Yeah that´s why Chelsea is paying Fatkaku to play for another club. Cause one man doesn´t change everything.

eh ?