That change in medical department sure was a great call...super, super Todd...

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

That change in medical department sure was a great call...super, super Todd...

I mentioned it in a few of my rants the biggest mistake this new ownership made was trying to rip and replace everything in a short space of time. You need a phase transition period 12 -18 months to keep continuity but this lot decided “to hell with that” let’s do it Ted Lasso style!!!

8 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

We likely need to replace and rebuild again the medical and fitness departments with people who know about the kicking kind of football.

 

I'd happily take anyone with a background from the NFL, they are world leaders when it comes to sports medicine and performance. 

Unfortunately our owners' domain is in MLB baseball, where it's easy to accomodate guys with dad bods by only requiring them to do about 3 minutes of actual physical activity each game, and 'sports performance' is just shorthand for steroid use.

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by SydneyChelsea

6 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I'd happily take anyone with a background from the NFL, they are world leaders when it comes to sports medicine and performance. 

Unfortunately our owners' domain is in MLB baseball, where it's easy to accomodate guys with dad bods by only requiring them to do about 3 minutes of actual physical activity each game, and 'sports performance' is just shorthand for steroid use.

I don't think it it translateable though. NFL is a very different sport. Far more physical but you only play one phase of the game hence you have tons of rest. 

 

10 hours ago, El regreso said:

I mentioned it in a few of my rants the biggest mistake this new ownership made was trying to rip and replace everything in a short space of time. You need a phase transition period 12 -18 months to keep continuity but this lot decided “to hell with that” let’s do it Ted Lasso style!!!

Your right, we definitely didnt have injury problems the few years before Todd arrived now did we....and its not like there are any specific circumstances to this season that could mean clubs have more injuries....you know, like a world cup in the middle of it...Current injury table highlights

 

Chelsea 10
Everton 10
Forest 10
Leeds 8
Leciester 7
Man Utd 7
Newcastle Utd 7
 

At times this season other teams have had as many or even more injury problems than us.

28 minutes ago, dkw said:

Your right, we definitely didnt have injury problems the few years before Todd arrived now did we....and its not like there are any specific circumstances to this season that could mean clubs have more injuries....you know, like a world cup in the middle of it...Current injury table highlights

 

Chelsea 10
Everton 10
Forest 10
Leeds 8
Leciester 7
Man Utd 7
Newcastle Utd 7
 

At times this season other teams have had as many or even more injury problems than us.

Absolutely, we have been having some bad injury problems for a few seasons now, including when Roman was the owner and there was no plan to freeze his assets. But, anything seems good to bash the new owners and the Club, because you know...

8 minutes ago, RMH said:

Absolutely, we have been having some bad injury problems for a few seasons now, including when Roman was the owner and there was no plan to freeze his assets. But, anything seems good to bash the new owners and the Club, because you know...

One can twist it however one likes but the drastic change of the medical department upset and unsettled the players. On top of everything else it was an absolutely idiotic move and it's played a part in our downfall.

 

18 minutes ago, RMH said:

Absolutely, we have been having some bad injury problems for a few seasons now, including when Roman was the owner and there was no plan to freeze his assets. But, anything seems good to bash the new owners and the Club, because you know...

Its so tedious isn't it, but fully expected as its the first time some fans have been involved in the club having a hard time, all they've known is success and us being top dog.

17 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

One can twist it however one likes but the drastic change of the medical department upset and unsettled the players. On top of everything else it was an absolutely idiotic move and it's played a part in our downfall.

 

And still we've had similar number of injuries as recent seasons.

Look, I'm not trying to make it as if all the sudden changes done to the Club have been good for it, I don't think it was too clever to have such a drastic change of staff (including Marina whom I expected to stay through the whole of the summer window), but this constant bashing of the Club and owners for things that are not even correlated with them (yes, if the number of injuries is similar to those of previous seasons, then there's no correlation with the change of ownership as yet, will need to see the trend in the future) is getting tedious.

2 minutes ago, RMH said:

And still we've had similar number of injuries as recent seasons.

Look, I'm not trying to make it as if all the sudden changes done to the Club have been good for it, I don't think it was too clever to have such a drastic change of staff (including Marina whom I expected to stay through the whole of the summer window), but this constant bashing of the Club and owners for things that are not even correlated with them (yes, if the number of injuries is similar to those of previous seasons, then there's no correlation with the change of ownership as yet, will need to see the trend in the future) is getting tedious.

Maybe i'm wrong here but as far as I can remember only last season compares and a lot of last seasons troubles was down to us having the worst schedule in all of Europe with a thin squad and we also happened to be the only club who never got a single Covid break. This season we've had a huge squad, a kind schedule compared to many others (due to going out early in domestic cups) and it's still been disasterous in terms of injuries. So I think thats something that should be taken into consideration as well.

29 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Maybe i'm wrong here but as far as I can remember only last season compares and a lot of last seasons troubles was down to us having the worst schedule in all of Europe with a thin squad and we also happened to be the only club who never got a single Covid break. This season we've had a huge squad, a kind schedule compared to many others (due to going out early in domestic cups) and it's still been disasterous in terms of injuries. So I think thats something that should be taken into consideration as well.

They literally scheduled a World Cup in the middle of a desert for 6 weeks mid season.

27 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Maybe i'm wrong here but as far as I can remember only last season compares and a lot of last seasons troubles was down to us having the worst schedule in all of Europe with a thin squad and we also happened to be the only club who never got a single Covid break. This season we've had a huge squad, a kind schedule compared to many others (due to going out early in domestic cups) and it's still been disasterous in terms of injuries. So I think thats something that should be taken into consideration as well.

I haven't found the numbers, only those for last season and we were the team with the largest number of injuries (and I remember complaining about the number of injured players previous seasons as well, but don't know if it was my perception as a fan rather than actual numbers). Yes, played the highest number of games last season together with Liverpool, so that was certainly a part of the reason. This season has also been awkward in that we had a WC in the middle of the season, and many of our players went to play to their national teams. Plus, the high number of injuries from last season has probably played a part in the number of injuries this season (we can't look at seasons as independent events in my opinion). What I'm trying to say is that, although the drastic changes of personnel done by the new owners has probably not helped, we can't entirely blame this on the present owners alone. But it is taken as another reason to bash the club and owners when we should be more rational about it, really.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Your right, we definitely didnt have injury problems the few years before Todd arrived now did we....and its not like there are any specific circumstances to this season that could mean clubs have more injuries....you know, like a world cup in the middle of it...Current injury table highlights

 

Chelsea 10
Everton 10
Forest 10
Leeds 8
Leciester 7
Man Utd 7
Newcastle Utd 7
 

At times this season other teams have had as many or even more injury problems than us.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Its so tedious isn't it, but fully expected as its the first time some fans have been involved in the club having a hard time, all they've known is success and us being top dog.

 

Where did I mention we didn’t have injuries before Todd?

I said ripping and replacing has caused more issues than helping including the treatment room. Didn’t they have to rehire someone because the players requested them back?

I have have been around a very long time way before success, and if I wasn’t what the feck does that matter.

why do some fans  think they are more of a Chelsea fan than others?

Do you think the club can get bigger without having new fans from around the world?

What do you think clubs like City, United, Real and Barcelona want ? New fans to help grow globally.

this stupid idea that new fans aren’t welcome is so stupid!!!

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by El regreso

 

 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

 

Where did I mention we didn’t have injuries before Todd?

I said ripping and replacing has caused more issues than helping including the treatment room. Didn’t they have to rehire someone because the players requested them back?

 

Has it, you have proof of that?

 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

 

this stupid idea that new fans aren’t welcome is so stupid!!!

Where did anyone say new fans arent welcome, your just making sh*t up now.

More nonsense on here...

tripe like "the drastic change of the medical department upset and unsettled the players"; and"replacing (the medical team) has caused more issues"

I love how so many of us know the inner workings of our club, the players thoughts, their feelings and their wants and needs....hilarious.

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

More nonsense on here...

tripe like "the drastic change of the medical department upset and unsettled the players"; and"replacing (the medical team) has caused more issues"

I love how so many of us know the inner workings of our club, the players thoughts, their feelings and their wants and needs....hilarious.

It's literally been all over the media.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/01/13/chelsea-launch-medical-review-injury-crisis-due-player-fears/

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

It's literally been all over the media.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/01/13/chelsea-launch-medical-review-injury-crisis-due-player-fears/

The medical department was a shambles before the changes though, ever since Mourinho called Eva a slag or whatever he did. The changes have had minimal affect on whether a player gets injured or not. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The medical department was a shambles before the changes though, ever since Mourinho called Eva a slag or whatever he did. The changes have had minimal affect on whether a player gets injured or not. 

Even if that was true its also true that the players in fact was unsettled and didn't appreciate the change.

9 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Even if that was true its also true that the players in fact was unsettled and didn't appreciate the change.

So the players are spoilt babies that don't like change and threw the toys out the pram to get the old sh*t guys back, who are here when Badiashile got injured. If anything Todd's in the wrong for not sticking with the change. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So the players are spoilt babies that don't like change and threw the toys out the pram to get the old sh*t guys back, who are here when Badiashile got injured. If anything Todd's in the wrong for not sticking with the change. 

First of all they weren't sh*t. Laurent had 17 very successfull years at the club, Biosca had 11. Obviously some seasons were going to be more difficult than others but overall they did great - so perhaps don't be an idiot and talk about things you have no clue about.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything any more though, guys like you are prepared to throw good guys who's served the club well for decades to defend a private equity firm that only cares about making money off the club. 

16 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

First of all they weren't sh*t. Laurent had 17 very successfull years at the club, Biosca had 11. Obviously some seasons were going to be more difficult than others but overall they did great - so perhaps don't be an idiot and talk about things you have no clue about.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything any more though, guys like you are prepared to throw good guys who's served the club well for decades to defend a private equity firm that only cares about making money off the club. 

You're the one moaning about the bloody injuries! So what's the issue then, Todd shouldn't have sacked the medical department that was clearly underperforming for years? They should have hired someone different from what they did? They should have scrapped the medical department completely? You're only as good as your last season, i don't care how long they've been here sports science moves on. 

Guys like me? That's supposed to mean what exactly? How about taking off your tinted glasses and stop trying to mold every single thing that's going off with Chelsea into cheap point scoring exercises against the new owners you absolute moron. Every post by you on this thread at the minute is incredibly tedious to read because when your name appears you know the posts will just get derailed for you to cry about Todd and co again. Jesus christ man, lighten up. If the owners depress you this much go stand with a sign outside the bridge like Utd fans do with the Glazers. Funny how they only want to make money off the club when all it is currently is an endless black hole. How do you think they make money? That's right, winning things!

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by RIP Mourinho

12 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're the one moaning about the bloody injuries! So what's the issue then, Todd shouldn't have sacked the medical department that was clearly underperforming for years? They should have hired someone different from what they did? They should have scrapped the medical department completely? You're only as good as your last season, i don't care how long they've been here sports science moves on. 

Guys like me? That's supposed to mean what exactly? How about taking off your tinted glasses and stop trying to mold every single thing that's going off with Chelsea into cheap point scoring exercises against the new owners you absolute moron. Every post by you on this thread at the minute is incredibly tedious to read because when your name appears you know the posts will just get derailed for you to cry about Todd and co again. Jesus christ man, lighten up. If the owners depress you this much go stand with a sign outside the bridge like Utd fans do with the Glazers. 

Yeah, he obviously shouldn't have as they generally did great for the club for a long time, as I wrote. They were here for the most successfull period in club history and the players rated them. And then to bring in Remedy Health & Performance to replace them, mindblowing.

And yes, I don't fancy people who are prepared to throw great club servants under the bus to defend our owners who's only hurt the club. And that is obviously not isolated to the medical staff.

 

 

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by OriginalS

5 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Yeah, he obviously shouldn't have as they generally did great for the club for a long time, as I wrote. They were here for the most successfull period in club history and the players rated them. And then to bring in Remedy Health & Performance to replace them, mindblowing.

And yes, I don't fancy people who are prepared to throw great club servants under the bus to defend our owners who's only hurt the club. And that is obviously not isolated to the medical staff.

 

 

So they did a great job for years, sports science has moved on in that time and for the last 6 or 7 seasons we've been plagued by injuries so we shouldn't sack them? Mind blowing analysis. f**k it, give Terry a playing contract again he did well with the club once too. 

People don't keep their jobs by being servants to a club, they keep them by performing and advancing the club. 

19 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're the one moaning about the bloody injuries! So what's the issue then, Todd shouldn't have sacked the medical department that was clearly underperforming for years? They should have hired someone different from what they did? They should have scrapped the medical department completely? You're only as good as your last season, i don't care how long they've been here sports science moves on. 

Guys like me? That's supposed to mean what exactly? How about taking off your tinted glasses and stop trying to mold every single thing that's going off with Chelsea into cheap point scoring exercises against the new owners you absolute moron. Every post by you on this thread at the minute is incredibly tedious to read because when your name appears you know the posts will just get derailed for you to cry about Todd and co again. Jesus christ man, lighten up. If the owners depress you this much go stand with a sign outside the bridge like Utd fans do with the Glazers. Funny how they only want to make money off the club when all it is currently is an endless black hole. How do you think they make money? That's right, winning things!

The thing about making money by " winning things" isn't exactly true in our case though.

After 20 years of winning things we rarely made a profit and ended up with over a  £1.5 billion debt. . But if we carry on like this we'll have a similar debt and no trophies! No doubt the profit for our investors comes from selling the club on in  10 years time . 

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So they did a great job for years, sports science has moved on in that time and for the last 6 or 7 seasons we've been plagued by injuries so we shouldn't sack them? Mind blowing analysis. f**k it, give Terry a playing contract again he did well with the club once too. 

People don't keep their jobs by being servants to a club, they keep them by performing and advancing the club. 

You probably didn't know that but up until last season we generally had one of the best injury records in the league. For example:

So why make things up?