1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If he had one shot that's on him. He's unlikely to get many easier chances than the sitter against Forest, the back post header against West Ham, not to mention the one Mudryk gave him on a plate 1 on 1 yesterday. Then there was Mudryk's ball across the face of goal where a ST was nowhere to be seen. 

Have you not seen Jackson run head down into defenders in the box? Most normal strikers shoot on sight. 

You keep banging on about Haaland, yet we've created the same amount of big chances as City. 

It's actually not on him at all. Yes I bring up Haaland because guess what he missed even more big chances than Jackson so it's actually impossible that we create the same amount since Jackson clearly didn't have the same amount of chances to miss as Haaland.

Aside from the obvious Colwill/Chilwell left back decision I don’t think poch can be blamed here, for some reason not one of these players can strike the ball cleanly in front of goal

30 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Finishing is clearly the issue, but then if you KNOW that your forwards aren't very clinical then surely you need to maximise their chances of scoring by giving them as many chances as possible ? I'd like to see us trying for 20+ shots in every game, of which at least 8 on target. If their keeper makes 8 saves then fair play to him. I'd expect 2 goals from 8 shots on target though, given that the very best keepers are saving 75% or so.

We've had 91 shots (15.17 per game) since the start of the season and managed to keep 28 (4.67 per game) of them on target yet only scored 5. Not far from your ideal. 

We're creating chances in abundance. We're just incredibly wasteful at finishing any chances. 

4 minutes ago, dan_cfc said:

Aside from the obvious Colwill/Chilwell left back decision I don’t think poch can be blamed here, for some reason not one of these players can strike the ball cleanly in front of goal

He definitely needs to find a way to create more opportunities in the final third. We don't have many players crashing the box and our set up is leaning towards pragmatic with the way we utilize both Enzo and Gallagher. 

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

It's actually not on him at all. Yes I bring up Haaland because guess what he missed even more big chances than Jackson so it's actually impossible that we create the same amount since Jackson clearly didn't have the same amount of chances to miss as Haaland.

Y'know chance creation is a 2 way thing. Passing the ball and also the strikers movement.

As a team we create as many chances as City yet somehow our striker only manages one shot all game. What's the common denominator here? Where was our striker when a ball was fired through the 6 yard box and came out the other side? You know Haaland would have been there...

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Y'know chance creation is a 2 way thing. Passing the ball and also the strikers movement.

As a team we create as many chances as City yet somehow our striker only manages one shot all game. What's the common denominator here? Where was our striker when a ball was fired through the 6 yard box and came out the other side? You know Haaland would have been there...

My point remains, Jackson isn't getting nearly enough from the team. Well, I can make it two points, there is nothing wrong with Jackson's movement off the ball, and there is clearly not enough players creating chances for him.

Also this might come as a surprise for you but this isn't a new problem for us, we have had the striker problem for years actually so there is a strong body of evidence that it's not about Jackson as a player but about the coaching and about the systematic team problem.

 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We've played 29 Premier League games in 2023 and won 5.   

 

Luton

Bournemouth

Leicester

Leeds

Palace. 

It’s a shame two of those are now in the championship. Perhaps we’ll meet again!

Related, heard a stat that in calendar year 2023 we are 17th out of 17th in the premier league if you exclude all promoted/relegated sides. That’s pretty alarming, not a small sample, and relegation fodder. Things need to improve quickly. 

The team looks clunky and slow but are still creating chances to be fair. Not sure how much playing Chillwell at left back will improve the situation , he’s been absolutely dire this season. I think things will begin to turn positively soon, surely can’t keep up missing so many chances/Injuries/harsh red cards. 

16 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We've had 91 shots (15.17 per game) since the start of the season and managed to keep 28 (4.67 per game) of them on target yet only scored 5. Not far from your ideal. 

We're creating chances in abundance. We're just incredibly wasteful at finishing any chances. 

20 shots per game would be 120 in our 6 games. so if we are on 91 then we're 29 short of my ideal. 8 on target per game, would be 48, so we're 20 short of that. 5 from 28 is a couple short of the 25% conversion rate of shots on target. Score those extra 2, plus another 4 goals from the other 20 on target that we haven't had and we've probably hauled ourselves into the top 6. More attacking intent required for me ... 

49 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

My point remains, Jackson isn't getting nearly enough from the team. Well, I can make it two points, there is nothing wrong with Jackson's movement off the ball, and there is clearly not enough players creating chances for him.

Also this might come as a surprise for you but this isn't a new problem for us, we have had the striker problem for years actually so there is a strong body of evidence that it's not about Jackson as a player but about the coaching and about the systematic team problem.

 

I agree we've had a problem creating chances in previous seasons when we had the likes of Jorginho in the 11. We fixed that issue and we're creating an abundance of chances now, sadly the personnel couldn't finish their dinner these days. 

Put Abraham in this team and for all his weaknesses he's have 5 goals by now.  

47 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

20 shots per game would be 120 in our 6 games. so if we are on 91 then we're 29 short of my ideal. 8 on target per game, would be 48, so we're 20 short of that. 5 from 28 is a couple short of the 25% conversion rate of shots on target. Score those extra 2, plus another 4 goals from the other 20 on target that we haven't had and we've probably hauled ourselves into the top 6. More attacking intent required for me ... 

'not far from' being the key words in my post. 

21 shots against Forest, zero goals. 

Create as many chances as you want, won't make a difference if they don't bother learning how to finish. 

 

As for conversion rates:

Edited September 25, 20232 yr by RIP Mourinho

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

It is a fair question. Some of the blame is on Poch, a lot is on the owners.

It is also fair to ask is it Pochettinos responsibility to put the ball in the Net? Or are Jackson, Sterling (twice) and Chilwell responsible for not taking simple chances?

The owners are definitely more to blame, we've spent hundreds of millions on completely unproven attackers (though Poch likely sanctioned the signings this season).

 

Even then, we should still have more than enough quality to be beating the likes of Forest and Bournemouth, bad recruitment or not

7 hours ago, coco said:

That’s not true, he’s been really poor this season, he made a couple of chances yesterday by pushing forward down the wing, nothing special, he gets outmuscled a lot, not scapegoating him but he is one of our experienced players.

Agreed, although in his defense he is not being played in his favored role of left back.

12 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

The owners are definitely more to blame, we've spent hundreds of millions on completely unproven attackers (though Poch likely sanctioned the signings this season).

 

Even then, we should still have more than enough quality to be beating the likes of Forest and Bournemouth, bad recruitment or not

I doubt Poch had much say in the signings given the setup at the club. I would maintain that Jackson was a decent signing as a backup/support option for striker. Problem is that we have no main option. Nkunku was probably the plan but even he is not a natural striker. Either way once the club knew he was out for months they should have brought in another option that could provide some goals, even on loan.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I agree we've had a problem creating chances in previous seasons when we had the likes of Jorginho in the 11. We fixed that issue and we're creating an abundance of chances now, sadly the personnel couldn't finish their dinner these days. 

Put Abraham in this team and for all his weaknesses he's have 5 goals by now.  

Coming from the person that openly said that as soon as we take out Jorginho that we would be a title contender... And here we are with 200m spent on Enzo and Caicedo and with 6 goals in 6 matches played where half of them came from playing a Championship team Luton.

Our striker literally had only one shot last match and you believe we're creating an abundance of chances and you dare to blame the striker in this situation... You just scapegoat, that's your whole point, no real substance.

Go ahead lets buy Abraham back, I bet in a week you'll be blaming another player instead of Jackson but Tammy wouldn't be at fault...

Clueless.

 

One thing I would like to recognize is the different ways our players manage to find to miss chances hard to miss than score.

As someone said yesterday I don't even move when watching us if we are in on goal anymore, I just wait to see how we manage to mess it up.

Enzo set the tone with that awful penalty. Since that moment our finishing has been like Sterlings form. A one off good showing and multiple inept ones.

Ok this made me laugh.

Even none football entities are laughing at our expense. Domino's pizza put out on the socials that they have "delivered approximately 859,000 pizzas since Chelsea FC last scored a goal"

 

Lmao.

35 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Coming from the person that openly said that as soon as we take out Jorginho that we would be a title contender... And here we are with 200m spent on Enzo and Caicedo and with 6 goals in 6 matches played where half of them came from playing a Championship team Luton.

Our striker literally had only one shot last match and you believe we're creating an abundance of chances and you dare to blame the striker in this situation... You just scapegoat, that's your whole point, no real substance.

Go ahead lets buy Abraham back, I bet in a week you'll be blaming another player instead of Jackson but Tammy wouldn't be at fault...

Clueless.

 

Ahh yes, selling Jorginho is the reason we're struggling. Obviously nothing to do with the ownership change and complete revamp of club personnel from top to bottom.

I've shown you ample evidence that we're creating plenty. 21 shots against Forest. Twenty One. ZERO goals. 

I'm happy to keep Jackson up top for the season, its pretty much a write off anyway, but at some point he has to repay the faith given to him.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Ok this made me laugh.

Even none football entities are laughing at our expense. Domino's pizza put out on the socials that they have "delivered approximately 859,000 pizzas since Chelsea FC last scored a goal"

 

Lmao.

We are Arsenal level of banter club now from a few years ago

Spirit of Jorginho lives on in Silva.

Slowing the play down with side to side passes. Getting absolutely rinsed on the defensive transition. 

Poch can be blamed for the set up of the team.

Poch can’t be blamed for Sterling having 0 football IQ or awareness or Jackson being the worst striker I’ve seen at the club in a long time, has me longing to see Alvaro Morata 

The more time Sterling has to think the worse he is. 

8 minutes ago, El regreso said:

We are Arsenal level of banter club now from a few years ago

Nah we are worse than them. Our spending and that we are the most hated top flight clubs means we get it more.

So for those who want Pochettino out, who is out there we can get who will be the yes man the board is willing to accept?

Cause they won't accept a manager not towing the party line, that's why Tuchel was sacked, and why neither Enrique or Nagelsmann moved forward in the interview process.

So only realistic suggestions of managers like that sort of personality, like Ranieri is, Eddy Howe etc not a Jose or Simione.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

I doubt Poch had much say in the signings given the setup at the club. I would maintain that Jackson was a decent signing as a backup/support option for striker. Problem is that we have no main option. Nkunku was probably the plan but even he is not a natural striker. Either way once the club knew he was out for months they should have brought in another option that could provide some goals, even on loan.

40 million for a 'support option' is just crazy though, we have Broja and Datro Fofana, they're perfectly fine as back ups.

 

We're overspending on players that wouldn't get near the 2015 Chelsea team, let alone the 2005 one.