4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So for those who want Pochettino out, who is out there we can get who will be the yes man the board is willing to accept?

Cause they won't accept a manager not towing the party line, that's why Tuchel was sacked, and why neither Enrique or Nagelsmann moved forward in the interview process.

So only realistic suggestions of managers like that sort of personality, like Ranieri is, Eddy Howe etc not a Jose or Simione.

I don't see how Eddie Howe is realistic. Newcastle will be genuine title challengers in 2-3 years, once the Saudis really start splashing the cash.

 

Sacking Poch in September is way too harsh, though I do think he will inevitably be gone by Feb/March. 

 

Realistically I think we should go all out for De Zerbi, he's gotten a mid table squad into the top 6 whilst playing some of the best attacking football in the league, and we could probably triple whatever he's earning at Brighton. Hansi Flick would be another option, though I don't know if he'd want to come here. 

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

40 million for a 'support option' is just crazy though, we have Broja and Datro Fofana, they're perfectly fine as back ups.

 

We're overspending on players that wouldn't get near the 2015 Chelsea team, let alone the 2005 one.

106mill was crazy for Enzo, 115mill was crazy for Caicedo, 62mill was crazy for Cucurella, 58mill for an injury prone Lavia was crazy, 78mill for an always injured Fofana was crazy.

 

So 30mill for a backup striker seems perfectly normal. I firmly believe Poch wanted him as a CF back up and mainly coming off the left. Wanting a new signing competing with Broja. I believe Poch wanted Mitrovic but the board said no due to his age.

 

Based on various rumours, I believe Poch wanted:

 

Sterling/Madueke 

Nkunku/Carney

Jackson/Mudryk

 

Mitrovic/Broja

 

I don't believe Poch wanted Palmer.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

I don't see how Eddie Howe is realistic. Newcastle will be genuine title challengers in 2-3 years, once the Saudis really start splashing the cash.

 

Sacking Poch in September is way too harsh, though I do think he will inevitably be gone by Feb/March. 

 

Realistically I think we should go all out for De Zerbi, he's gotten a mid table squad into the top 6 whilst playing some of the best attacking football in the league, and we could probably triple whatever he's earning at Brighton. Hansi Flick would be another option, though I don't know if he'd want to come here. 

Would it not be a step down for RDZ? Europe this season, possibly next as well, to a side with no European football 2 seasons in a row.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ahh yes, selling Jorginho is the reason we're struggling. Obviously nothing to do with the ownership change and complete revamp of club personnel from top to bottom.

I've shown you ample evidence that we're creating plenty. 21 shots against Forest. Twenty One. ZERO goals. 

I'm happy to keep Jackson up top for the season, its pretty much a write off anyway, but at some point he has to repay the faith given to him.

Anyone that honestly believes that we're missing more chances now in comparison of those that Havertz, Werner, Lukaku and others were missing from some years back is 100% deluded so this means you actually have no idea what you're saying when you out of the blue mention Jorginho that left a long time ago.

So you before blamed Jorginho, a midfielder for everything and said that without him we're a top team that can fight for the title AUTOMATICALLY, now you're ready to scapegoat Jackson.

We scored 38 goals last season, a goal per match. Which is exactly what we're doing now, 6 matches, 6 PL goals so far. Was Jackson playing last season too? You make no sense idiot.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ahh yes, selling Jorginho is the reason we're struggling. Obviously nothing to do with the ownership change and complete revamp of club personnel from top to bottom.

I've shown you ample evidence that we're creating plenty. 21 shots against Forest. Twenty One. ZERO goals. 

I'm happy to keep Jackson up top for the season, its pretty much a write off anyway, but at some point he has to repay the faith given to him.

The problem in the Forest game was that only 2 of the 21 shots were on target. Nowhere near enough. Forest did block 13 of the 21, so I guess you have to credit their defenders for that. 

Against Luton we had 19 shots, 8 on target, and scored 3 goals ; vs AFC Wimbledon we had 9 on target and scored 2 goals.

Our 7 games to date :

 

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

The problem in the Forest game was that only 2 of the 21 shots were on target. Nowhere near enough. Forest did block 13 of the 21, so I guess you have to credit their defenders for that. 

Against Luton we had 19 shots, 8 on target, and scored 3 goals ; vs AFC Wimbledon we had 9 on target and scored 2 goals.

Our 7 games to date :

 

Liverpool, West Ham and Aston Villa have the same amount of shots on target, we won none of those matches so it really looks like we need to attack better and have more than 4 shots on target, it really shouldn't be that hard to do.

Jackson so far has 7 shots on target in 6 matches played and 1 goal, Haaland has 17 shots on target and 8 goals so it kinda looks like it grows exponential the more you do it.

 

52 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Would it not be a step down for RDZ? Europe this season, possibly next as well, to a side with no European football 2 seasons in a row.

And the Scouse beckoning when Klopp walks in a year or so.

21 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

And the Scouse beckoning when Klopp walks in a year or so.

Fair point. You would be silly to pick us over Liverpool with how unstable we are.

It’s obvious the team is low on confidence. Blame is on the owners, the coach and the players. Plenty to go round. However the owners have put the money in and are involved and have a clear plan. 
I increasingly do blame Poch. He clearly doesn’t trust the players, doesn’t trust chilwell  etc, doesn’t trust the defence without the Silva security blanket, wants the security of not playing with an attacking midfielder. This pushes too much load onto the front three. And they fluff their lines. 
‘it’s fine margins, apparently we are fifth in the table based expected goals for and against. But in fact we are in a bad place. 
 

it’s not the players that need a talking to, it’s a quiet but very firm word to Poch to tell him to trust the players and go for it  he needs to believe in himself. 

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Would it not be a step down for RDZ? Europe this season, possibly next as well, to a side with no European football 2 seasons in a row.

Definitely would be, but money does talk as the Saudis have shown this year.

 

Whatever we were paying Potter was likely more than 3x whatever De Zerbi's currently earning at Brighton

Edited September 25, 20232 yr by Drogba1

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Definitely would be, but money does talk as the Saudis have shown this year.

 

Whatever we were paying Potter was likely more than 3x whatever De Zerbi's currently earning at Brighton

Liverpool would pay him well too. 

Poch has made his fare share of mistakes so far, but owner and players have done worse. Manager will experiment and make mistakes, if we can't afford that, may as well let Boehly manages the team ( think that day still may come). Why would De Zerbi even considering us right now? He wants money, he could go to the Saudis. He wants trophies, just have to wait for a Manchester or even Liverpool job to be available in a year or two

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Poch has made his fare share of mistakes so far, but owner and players have done worse. Manager will experiment and make mistakes, if we can't afford that, may as well let Boehly manages the team ( think that day still may come). Why would De Zerbi even considering us right now? He wants money, he could go to the Saudis. He wants trophies, just have to wait for a Manchester or even Liverpool job to be available in a year or two

Only ones who should consider us right now are those unemployed and desperate to get back to work. 

No top manager should consider working for the owners we have. 

3 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Poch has made his fare share of mistakes so far, but owner and players have done worse. Manager will experiment and make mistakes, if we can't afford that, may as well let Boehly manages the team ( think that day still may come). Why would De Zerbi even considering us right now? He wants money, he could go to the Saudis. He wants trophies, just have to wait for a Manchester or even Liverpool job to be available in a year or two

I agree. Money talks of course. But after the craziness of the last year many managers would not want to risk their reputation with our circus right now. We are being run like Leeds and Watford were before they were relegated. In fact if Poch was to go, we would be more likely to hire somebody like Jesse Marsch than De Zerbi.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

I agree. Money talks of course. But after the craziness of the last year many managers would not want to risk their reputation with our circus right now. We are being run like Leeds and Watford were before they were relegated. In fact if Poch was to go, we would be more likely to hire somebody like Jesse Marsch than De Zerbi.

I don't think we are run like Leeds. Imo we are being run more like brighton but we just push it even further.

Brighton keep signing young player but they also keep  their senior player. 

This is brighton lineup vs united. It is basically mix of senior player and some young raw player. 

Every line from back to front you have at least 50:50 split. 

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 20232 yr by Bob stark

50 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think we are run like Leeds. Imo we are being run more like brighton but we just push it even further.

Brighton keep signing young player but they also keep  their senior player. 

This is brighton lineup vs united. It is basically mix of senior player and some young raw player. 

Every line from back to front you have at least 50:50 split. 

 

 

 

Looks a sh*t line up on paper but RDZ gets them playing like warriors.

23 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Looks a sh*t line up on paper but RDZ gets them playing like warriors.

 

But what happen when you replace your senior front 3 with raw player and you play poor bournemouth instead of united. Your opinion of RDZ will change. 

 

14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Anyone that honestly believes that we're missing more chances now in comparison of those that Havertz, Werner, Lukaku and others were missing from some years back is 100% deluded so this means you actually have no idea what you're saying when you out of the blue mention Jorginho that left a long time ago.

So you before blamed Jorginho, a midfielder for everything and said that without him we're a top team that can fight for the title AUTOMATICALLY, now you're ready to scapegoat Jackson.

We scored 38 goals last season, a goal per match. Which is exactly what we're doing now, 6 matches, 6 PL goals so far. Was Jackson playing last season too? You make no sense idiot.

Swap Jorginho for Enzo in previous years and we compete. I know you don't watch many games but we actually swapped the entire starting 11 and bench with kids so surprisingly its not the same team to compete anymore. If you read my previous post you'll see i'm not scapegoating Jackson, i'm just pointing out that his finishing is some of the worst i've ever seen in a Chelsea shirt and he's arguably on par with that first year we had of Torres. I'll repeat it again but we need to stick with him now but he needs to repay that faith given to him.

Last season we passed the ball around our defence with very little offered from from an attacking viewpoint. Would you be surprised to hear that our conversion rate last season was actualy 62.5% higher than it is currently for this season. Chances are created, we're just worse at finishing them now.

No need for name calling either, Gol. Bit of maturity please.

14 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

The problem in the Forest game was that only 2 of the 21 shots were on target. Nowhere near enough. Forest did block 13 of the 21, so I guess you have to credit their defenders for that. 

Against Luton we had 19 shots, 8 on target, and scored 3 goals ; vs AFC Wimbledon we had 9 on target and scored 2 goals.

Our 7 games to date :

 

Like i said, finishing isn't good enough. 

17 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

I don't see how Eddie Howe is realistic. Newcastle will be genuine title challengers in 2-3 years, once the Saudis really start splashing the cash.

 

Sacking Poch in September is way too harsh, though I do think he will inevitably be gone by Feb/March. 

 

Realistically I think we should go all out for De Zerbi, he's gotten a mid table squad into the top 6 whilst playing some of the best attacking football in the league, and we could probably triple whatever he's earning at Brighton. Hansi Flick would be another option, though I don't know if he'd want to come here. 

Why would we want Hansi Flick? His career does not convince me at all. Yes, he won the CL with Bayern but since then it was constantly downhill. The German national team was shockingly bad under him.

Until we get the injured players back surely we want Gallagher further forward willing to take a shot, not that he scores just forces their keeper to parry for a corner or creating a secondary opportunity just don't think Enzo is that player.

Never heard of Jackson before he came and now can see why, he tries hard and the goal I recall he got was in the middle from I think a Sterling cross.

Will be interesting to see how Poch tries to use Broja who is also not an orthodox striker. 

 

Unfortunately I seen Poch as deadman walking at the moment

 

if he only gets 5 point out of such easy schedule, he will get a fat ZERO when the run against all the top 6 sides and we will be heading in a situation where we have 6 point at the end of November and bottom 3 position

 

at that point he will and should get sacked, it is not his fault, it is all the owners fault but obviously they are cowards and arrogant people who won’t admit their mistake and will make Poch the scapegoat instead 

17 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

at that point he will and should get sacked, it is not his fault, it is all the owners fault but obviously they are cowards and arrogant people who won’t admit their mistake and will make Poch the scapegoat instead 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Poch has to shoulder some of the blame. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he decide to sign for us and then had an entire pre-season to set up the team and his tactics. Sure there were a couple of injuries to important players that may have thrown a spanner in his plans but there is no way a team comprising of the players that we have should be underperforming to an extent where we cannot even score a freaking goal for 288 minutes. Unless you're of the opinion that all the players that we have bought are absolute duds.

14 minutes ago, Girish said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Poch has to shoulder some of the blame. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he decide to sign for us and then had an entire pre-season to set up the team and his tactics. Sure there were a couple of injuries to important players that may have thrown a spanner in his plans but there is no way a team comprising of the players that we have should be underperforming to an extent where we cannot even score a freaking goal for 288 minutes. Unless you're of the opinion that all the players that we have bought are absolute duds.

Not all but mostly are duds and those aren’t are massively overpaid because of the terrible ownership

 

Poch has to take blame ofc but I would say 85-90% of the blame lies on the ownership. It doesn’t matter you put a Pep+Jose hybrid as the manager you simply cannot purchase a full team of u23 and expect to play well in a competitive league like Premier League. This team looks like a f**king Olympic Games team with so many u23s

18 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Not all but mostly are duds and those aren’t are massively overpaid because of the terrible ownership

Can't disagree with that.

We've signed so many poor young players you can't even say we have a lot of potential but because we've paid 5x their value people think they're top prospects.

Can't fault Poch as he didn't want all these duds he asked for experienced players multiple times before pre season and the board didn't even attempt to deliver them.