Hi all, 

I wanted to make a thread because we have too many problems in the club right now and nobody expressing any actual solutions. These are my solutions (not a complete list) 

- get rid of poch

- get rid of the sporting directors, get one world class director of football and one world class manager and let them collab and get on with it instead of the 6-10 people in the club voicing different opinions. 

- Play a back 5 to support an aging silva or change tactics because pressing with a 39 yr old defender is just stupid. 

- Remove the headless chicken gallagher in midfield and sort the distance between defenders and midfielders

- Make sure we sell 100M of players (gallagher, broja) or we'll get a points reduction next season

I would suggest getting rid of the owners but they have to be here for 10 years so thats not really a proper solution... 

Let me know what solutions you guys have

 

Edited February 7, 20242 yr by Conte

Let Poch see out the season. 

Bring in a fresher manager with the personality to manage a top team. 

Sign Osimhen. 

Loan Mudryk. Sell Sterling. Sign a replacement. Sell Gallagher. 

Let Silva retire. 

That's it. Don't go overboard.

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Let Poch see out the season. 

Bring in a fresher manager with the personality to manage a top team. 

Sign Osimhen. 

Loan Mudryk. Sell Sterling. Sign a replacement. Sell Gallagher. 

Let Silva retire. 

That's it. Don't go overboard.

I'd say the first 2 will likely happen at this point. I also suspect that Silva will retire after this season. The rest is probably dependent on FFP restrictions. Even if we sell some of the newer signings like Sterling it will likely be at a loss for FFP. We will almost certainly target academy-produced players for sales as they will generate 100% profit. Gallagher is probably on that list and several other obvious ones like Maatsen, Broja, Chalobah. But, if we cannot find buyers at decent prices for these players, that list may expand. If decent amounts can be generated for those players, then we may be able to look at bringing in some new targets this summer (e.g. a striker)

17 minutes ago, Conte said:

- Make sure we sell 100M of players (gallagher, broja) or we'll get a points reduction next season

Where's the other £60m coming from?

We might get £40m for gallagher with a year on his contract but we'd be lucky to get a tub of Jellied Eels for Broja.

In all honesty I think we're screwed, we need to move on 12-15 players we've signed under Boehly and I just don't think it's feasible with ffp as we'd take a massive hit on them.

The damage has already been done by our inept owners now we're saddled with long contracts for expensive dross that will never be worth half of what we paid.

Edited February 7, 20242 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

16 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Where's the other £60m coming from?

We might get £40m for gallagher with a year on his contract but we'd be lucky to get a tub of Jellied Eels for Broja.

In all honesty I think we're screwed, we need to move on 12-15 players we've signed under Boehly and I just don't think it's feasible with ffp as we'd take a massive hit on them.

The damage has already been done by our inept owners now we're saddled with long contracts for expensive dross that will never be worth half of what we paid.

Sorry I didnt write the full list lol

Gallagher 40M (fingers crossed at this point) 

Maatsen 25M

Broja 15M?? Not even sure with this one

Chalobah 20M

Lets be honest, clubs know we need 100m so they have the power, if we can sell all even for 90M then we can generate the 10M selling some loan players. The problems will arise if we gallagher doesn't wanna leave and the players go for half for what I expect then good luck to the board because they have failed us on a footballing perspective and a FFP money perspective 

 

Edited February 7, 20242 yr by Conte

Get rid of Poch at the end of the season. Until then, have a contingency plan and identify the right manager to take over in the summer. 

-Bring in a proper Sporting Director to support the first team. Preferably before the next manager is identified. 

-Limit Winstanley and Stewart's responsibilities to outgoings only.

-Continue utilizing Joe Shields and his team for our global scouting network. 

33 minutes ago, Conte said:

Sorry I didnt write the full list lol

Gallagher 40M (fingers crossed at this point) 

Maatsen 25M

Broja 15M?? Not even sure with this one

Chalobah 20M

Lets be honest, clubs know we need 100m so they have the power, if we can sell all even for 90M then we can generate the 10M selling some loan players. The problems will arise if we gallagher doesn't wanna leave and the players go for half for what I expect then good luck to the board because they have failed us on a footballing perspective and a FFP money perspective 

 

I think Newcastle are committed to giving us a fee for Hall so I assume that would count towards the 100m

30 minutes ago, Conte said:

Sorry I didnt write the full list lol

Gallagher 40M (fingers crossed at this point) 

Maatsen 25M

Broja 15M?? Not even sure with this one

Chalobah 20M

Lets be honest, clubs know we need 100m so they have the power, if we can sell all even for 90M then we can generate the 10M selling some loan players. The problems will arise if we gallagher doesn't wanna leave and the players go for half for what I expect then good luck to the board because they have failed us on a footballing perspective and a FFP money perspective 

 

If, as we think , this lot are purely looking at maximising the profit on capital, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they focus on Reece James' rehabilitation, make sure he remains fit into the close season and then look to move him on for as much as they can get. And could i see Wan Bissaka being sent packing and ETH replacing him at OT with Reece using Sir Jim's new money. Yep, definitely.

Plus, everyone is going to know that we're gagging for it, if the rumours turn out to be true, so 60m -65m? We will howl and scowl but with his fitness record, its a deal i think could happen, and if they get Maatsen and Hall money along with Reece, they they are over the threshold.

Remember it can't be a firesale, FFP is the gift that keeps giving, we will need to hold some of our pure profit lads back for future reportign periods as well.

31 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Get rid of Poch at the end of the season. Until then, have a contingency plan and identify the right manager to take over in the summer. 

-Bring in a proper Sporting Director to support the first team. Preferably before the next manager is identified. 

-Limit Winstanley and Stewart's responsibilities to outgoings only.

-Continue utilizing Joe Shields and his team for our global scouting network. 

Hopefully the second item makes the third redundant. We don't need two sporting directors doing the whole job, let alone two of then sharing half the role. Hopefully if we could get an Edwards or someone, they would also be able to trade out as well as in. 

Let's be honest anyone coming in is going to have to play both sides of the coin for a while i reckon.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

If, as we think , this lot are purely looking at maximising the profit on capital, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they focus on Reece James' rehabilitation, make sure he remains fit into the close season and then look to move him on for as much as they can get. And could i see Wan Bissaka being sent packing and ETH replacing him at OT with Reece using Sir Jim's new money. Yep, definitely.

Plus, everyone is going to know that we're gagging for it, if the rumours turn out to be true, so 60m -65m? We will howl and scowl but with his fitness record, its a deal i think could happen, and if they get Maatsen and Hall money along with Reece, they they are over the threshold.

Remember it can't be a firesale, FFP is the gift that keeps giving, we will need to hold some of our pure profit lads back for future reportign periods as well.

If we are facing similar challenges for FFP next year too then I totally agree. Although in that scenario I could see Reece being offered to Madrid, and Colwill is one of the other academy products that might generate a big return.

Just now, forbzy said:

If we are facing similar challenges for FFP next year too then I totally agree. Although in that scenario I could see Reece being offered to Madrid, and Colwill is one of the other academy products that might generate a big return.

Could only put up one emoji. Ideally i would have given this the Thumbs up and the Sad face!

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Could only put up one emoji. Ideally i would have given this the Thumbs up and the Sad face!

I know what you mean. Lets hope we don't have to revisit this one.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Hopefully the second item makes the third redundant. We don't need two sporting directors doing the whole job, let alone two of then sharing half the role. Hopefully if we could get an Edwards or someone, they would also be able to trade out as well as in. 

Let's be honest anyone coming in is going to have to play both sides of the coin for a while i reckon.

Edwards isn't going back into football. He started his own consulting firm. 

There is a lot we can criticize Winstanley and Stewart on but we should still commend them in their ability to get rid of players effectively. Some of these players we thought we would never be able to sell. We will likely see the same this summer. United just picked off Omar Berrada away from City who was their CEO and highly responsible for their strategy in giving players 2 years to either perform or to sell. Our current CEO Chris Jurasek looks like he is primarily responsible in growing the commercial side vs the actual footballing side. 

-Sporting Director

-Manager

-Joe Shields

-Winstanley/Stewart 

 

This is what we should be doing vs hiring this Todd Kline fella from Spurs who even Spurs fans didn't even know what the f**k his role was at the club. 

 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Edwards isn't going back into football. He started his own consulting firm. 

There is a lot we can criticize Winstanley and Stewart on but we should still commend them in their ability to get rid of players effectively. Some of these players we thought we would never be able to sell. We will likely see the same this summer. United just picked off Omar Berrada away from City who was their CEO and highly responsible for their strategy in giving players 2 years to either perform or to sell. Our current CEO Chris Jurasek looks like he is primarily responsible in growing the commercial side vs the actual footballing side. 

-Sporting Director

-Manager

-Joe Shields

-Winstanley/Stewart 

 

This is what we should be doing vs hiring this Todd Kline fella from Spurs who even Spurs fans didn't even know what the f**k his role was at the club. 

 

He wasn't the CEO at Manchester City. 

This is what he did : (copy/paste from his LinkedIn entry)

Omar is Chief Football Operations Officer for City Football Group. He is a C-suite sports executive with expertise in the management of club business and football operations, including player transactions, sponsorship and media rights with 20 years of senior-level experience in the football industry and 5 years in the telecommunications sector. Omar has extensive experience in managing football club operations, through both his time as Manchester City’s COO and his current role as City Football Group‘s Chief Football Operations Officer. He also has a proven track record in negotiating with major global brands and companies, having delivered multi-million-pound sponsorship and media-related contracts for FC Barcelona and Manchester City. Omar’s personal background is quite diverse and international; having lived in 6 different countries with a fluent command of four languages has helped him develop an extensive global network of industry contacts.

For his current role, Omar is responsible for managing and optimising group football operations for almost 100 teams across 11 clubs on 5 continents, managing several departments across CFG including player transactions, data analytics, sports science and scouting in order to develop talent, maximise on-pitch performance and generate value for the group. He has also represented Manchester City and the Group in multiple governing bodies (such as the European Clubs Association and the Women’s Super League FA board). Before the actual role, Omar was COO for Manchester City Football Club. In this role, he was responsible for all business aspects of the club; reporting to the City Football Group CEO and working in close collaboration with the Football Director in relation to the club’s football operations (including player contracts and transfers). 

Prior to this role as COO, Omar was SVP – Group Commercial Director, forming part of the Group’s Executive Leadership Team and reporting to the board on a quarterly basis. His remit included leading the commercial department across the global organisation by overseeing 4 business units: Partnership Sales, Partnership Activation, Retail & Licensing, and Tours. The SVP role focused on creating the vision and building a global commercial department that now has a presence in over 10 cities on 5 continents.

 

His roles at City do provide some interesting insight into what these types actually do day-to-day !

 

Honestly, there isn't a correct answer. There are too many moving peices and there is too much wrong with the whole club at the moment to establish one action plan to resolve it. 

The managerial shift and transfer suggested above sound great, but the fact that we are naming the type of manager that we want, not a specfic name, is an indication of the managerial market right now. There isn't one name in football that you could suggest that would both a) not be a risk b) want to come to our club.

Realistically, the best way forward is to establish some security within the club. Just give Poch the year, put together a transfer plan that doesn't involve ripping everything out root and stem but instead is actually crafted to enhance what we have. It may not seem like it, but I really beleive we have some very good players. We also have some awful ones. Rather than vacuuming up any young talent with no regard for where they fit into our squad, we just need to target 1 or 2 key positions of quality and possibly 1 or 2 for depth. 

Lets also give the sporting directors a bit more time. If there is anything worse than throwing millions at a manager to buid a squad and then moving them on, it would be giving billions to sporting directors to build a squad and then moving them on. 

Edited February 7, 20242 yr by Niall1905

1) Ring up John Terry

2) Pay for him to get the Chelsea badge tattooed all over his face

3) Install him as Manager

4) Win the cup, the league, and the f**king Champions League

Keep Poch until the end of the season, assess in the summer (most likely would need to sack him by then).

Balance out FFP with player sales in the summer and for the love of god stop signing players.

Work on getting the players we have fit. Identify those on loan who can help the first team, and try to work with what we have.

Won't be pretty or easy, but for me the major headache is this constant threat of FFP breaches looming over our heads. I would say sorting this out is the top priority. With a massive point deduction nothing we do on the pitch matters anymore.

 

 

Time ... and patience ... might be all that is needed ?

Stamford Bridge wasn't built in a day !

Where is Dr Who when you need him/her? we need to borrow the tardis 😉

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Where is Dr Who when you need him/her? we need to borrow the tardis 😉

Jump back to 2004/5 ?  😀

The number 1 issue with the club are Paul and Lawrence. Their job needs to be under review and come the end of the season do not let them continue in their current capacity (I would prefer they get sacked they have failed every single coach they've worked with at Chelsea).

Asses Pochettino's performance including the context of injuries (even with the injuries did he underpeform), was he given a good enough squad and even if not (did he still underperform). Once this is done if termination is needed pull the plug accept that you need a world class sporting director and coach along with a world class infrastructure behind them.

Squad clear out like last season accept that the sporting directors brought in players that just aren't good enough (even with patience they're not good enough to do what the club needs currently) sell Mudyrk, Madueke, Broja, Kepa, Gallagher, Chalobah (like him and Gallagher but they're  assets), Ian to Dortmund (probably), Sterling if a good enough offer comes in, hope Ziyech moves on, sell Lukaku. Easily this is >£100m and I'm sure I've forgotten some more that need to go.

Consider having an actual manager and not a head coach, you can't want to emulate Liverpool and City whilst failing to acknowledge the huge role Pep and Klopp play on every aspect of the club especially player acquisition and club philosophy.

We are doing everything backwards and that is why the club is going backwards. Our owners believe they are revolutionaries but they are in fact doing what no one else is doing because that is not how you run an elite football club. 

 

Edited February 7, 20242 yr by LongtimerLurker
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It's really going to be groundhog day when some of these "crap" players get decent coaching again.

35 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's really going to be groundhog day when some of these "crap" players get decent coaching again.

We just need one thing and one thing only, and is so simple our owners cannot see it.

 

 

Appoint @Zetaas first team coach, and watch our players develop!

We saw step one and two of it tonight. 

1 - Players played like they wanted it.

2 - Ditched the slow paced football that holds us back game after game.