17 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

We've forgotten what top strikers look like. they do not go missing for large periods in a season and they make and create goals themselves. This guy is a mid table premieship player at best. If another club wants to give us the 60 million, he'll be out the door.

No better or worse than Jackson and his goals havent helpd us improve on our mid table rivals Brighton who sit above us in the table. 5 more goals for us since his move than last season. Nah, guy is bang average

10 goals more from open play for us than Brighton. Of the 10 goals he scored in 24/25, half were penalties. If he was taking penalties for us, he's a 20+ goal a season striker. Not sure what more you could want.

31 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

We've forgotten what top strikers look like. they do not go missing for large periods in a season and they make and create goals themselves. This guy is a mid table premieship player at best. If another club wants to give us the 60 million, he'll be out the door.

No better or worse than Jackson and his goals havent helpd us improve on our mid table rivals Brighton who sit above us in the table. 5 more goals for us since his move than last season. Nah, guy is bang average

Balderdash. With respect.

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

10 goals more from open play for us than Brighton. Of the 10 goals he scored in 24/25, half were penalties. If he was taking penalties for us, he's a 20+ goal a season striker. Not sure what more you could want.

for 60 million I dont want someone who replicates jacksons output.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Balderdash. With respect.

We currently sit lower in the table with Pedro up top than we did with Jackson. The club who sold him are above us in the league, as are Brentford who have Igor thiago who has scored 22 goals (8 pens- but still scores more than Pedro)

Dont get me wrong, he's looked ok in spells but we've not improved with him as our main striker and we dropped 60 million on him. We're also out of CL this season, struggling to qualify for Europa/ conference. Hope we miss out completely.

1 minute ago, bluelightening said:

for 60 million I dont want someone who replicates jacksons output.

We currently sit lower in the table with Pedro up top than we did with Jackson. The club who sold him are above us in the league, as are Brentford who have Igor thiago who has scored 22 goals (8 pens- but still scores more than Pedro)

Dont get me wrong, he's looked ok in spells but we've not improved with him as our main striker and we dropped 60 million on him. We're also out of CL this season, struggling to qualify for Europa/ conference. Hope we miss out completely.

Meaningless because it doesn't take into account the massive decline in the entire team's performance.

39 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

for 60 million I dont want someone who replicates jacksons output.

He's already scored more than Jackson managed for us.

Pretty sure in both our title winning seasons Diego Costa went missing in the 2nd half of the season.

47 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

Dont get me wrong, he's looked ok in spells but we've not improved with him as our main striker and we dropped 60 million on him. We're also out of CL this season, struggling to qualify for Europa/ conference. Hope we miss out completely.

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Jow Pedro has performed despite the sh1tty players around him. Yesterday he scored a spectacular over head kick goal. He is a proper footballer. He is a striker. He knows how to play football.

31 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Jow Pedro has performed despite the sh1tty players around him. Yesterday he scored a spectacular over head kick goal. He is a proper footballer. He is a striker. He knows how to play football.

Great, scored an overhead goal when the game was lost. Where was he in the previous 90. sorry, not good enough. bang average season no better than Jackson.

46 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

He's already scored more than Jackson managed for us.

One league goal more than Jackson... I have some straw you can cling to before you look at where we are in the table... despite his goals.. one more than Jackson - we're lower in the league than where we were last season. Cling to the sinking ship folks, big up bang average players... Not the best Brazilian striker in the league... he's at Brentford and cost less than half the price.

We need someone better.

30 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

Great, scored an overhead goal when the game was lost. Where was he in the previous 90. sorry, not good enough. bang average season no better than Jackson.

One league goal more than Jackson... I have some straw you can cling to before you look at where we are in the table... despite his goals.. one more than Jackson - we're lower in the league than where we were last season. Cling to the sinking ship folks, big up bang average players... Not the best Brazilian striker in the league... he's at Brentford and cost less than half the price.

We need someone better.

JP is 10x the player Nicholas Jackson dreams of being. That is not even up for debate.

I struggle to see who is better given the output... His goals couldn't secure us top four... arguably when Pedro went missing so did our top four aspiration and the manager walked after a series of bad results and did this contribute to his departure? Not even going to check that stat..

He's sh*t, Jackson is sh*t, we need better. Its that simple.

I'd rather we sold Delap, Jackson and Pedro and reinvested into a proper striker. but given the state of the club, we're going to have to put up with Pedro leading the line and if that's the case, we aint getting out of mid table obscurity.

We are in a relegation battle next season.

Edited May 5May 5 by bluelightening

9 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

I struggle to see who is better given the output... His goals couldn't secure us top four... arguably when Pedro went missing so did our top four aspiration and the manager walked after a series of bad results and did this contribute to his departure? Not even going to check that stat..

He's sh*t, Jackson is sh*t, we need better. Its that simple.

I'd rather we sold Delap, Jackson and Pedro and reinvested into a proper striker. but given the state of the club, we're going to have to put up with Pedro leading the line and if that's the case, we aint getting out of mid table obscurity.

We are in a relegation battle next season.

Edited May 5May 5 by dermott
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1 minute ago, dermott said:

Hoist by your own petard.

Ive said what I think, happy with that. Is he good enough, no. Never. Signed from a mid table club who are finishing above us.

Look at who he has scored against. None in the league against Arsenal, United, Liverpool, city. ALL OF HIS GOALS HAVE COME AGAINST SIDES BELOW US IN THE LEAGUE except for Villa and he scored 4 against them. six of those ten goals have come against Relegation fodder.

Only joy in this run in is if we relegate spurs, but we cant even score. The table you shared says a winger has scored more than the strikers for us and arsenal.

Defo believe unless we sign some quality, get a proper manager on board, we're fighting relegation next season.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Pretty sure in both our title winning seasons Diego Costa went missing in the 2nd half of the season.

He was a key striker, scoring 52 Premier League goals in 89 appearances.

Costa was a one goal in two games. top top player. foolish to compare a striker who lifted two titles for us against some midtable blowhard. Pedro isnt fit to lace Costas boots.

29 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

He was a key striker, scoring 52 Premier League goals in 89 appearances.

Costa was a one goal in two games. top top player. foolish to compare a striker who lifted two titles for us against some midtable blowhard. Pedro isnt fit to lace Costas boots.

Per your own argument, you said top strikers don't go missing for large periods. Diego Costa only scored 6 goals in 5 months during the 2nd half of our title winning season in 2017. This happens.

Joao Pedro is also averaging a goal contribution every 118 mins of football in a club that is in absolute turmoil from top to bottom.

I wouldn’t say it’s any stretch at all that of the entire 1st team squad JP is the absolute last name on the list for criticism this season.

He’s plenty good enough for a title winning side, hence the Barcelona links.

1 hour ago, bluelightening said:

One league goal more than Jackson... I have some straw you can cling to before you look at where we are in the table... despite his goals.. one more than Jackson - we're lower in the league than where we were last season. Cling to the sinking ship folks, big up bang average players... Not the best Brazilian striker in the league... he's at Brentford and cost less than half the price.

We need someone better.

Igor Thiago has scored less goals than J.Pedro from open play. Once again, let Pedro take penalties and he's a 20+ goal a season striker. The only player that's scored more in open play is Haaland in the entire league.

19 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Igor Thiago has scored less goals than J.Pedro from open play. Once again, let Pedro take penalties and he's a 20+ goal a season striker. The only player that's scored more in open play is Haaland in the entire league.

Let it go. There's no reasoning with a phobe.

4 minutes ago, dermott said:

Let it go. There's no reasoning with a phobe.

Mate, leave out the insults. Im simply stating what I think like you guys defending a lower half premier striker. Its cool. Run it by yourselves agains tall the teams he has scored against. Guy doesnt score against top sides.

J Pedro is probably one of our better players this season. Maybe even a candidate for POTY. Not too shaby a finish yesterday.

7th February 2026

Wolves is the last time Chelsea scored in a league game when J Pedro didnt score. ( Im discounting Hincapies OG as he doesnt but should have been signed by our SDs ).

Edited May 5May 5 by OTL

It is hilarious that people bemoan jackson and call him dog sh*te and yet, a player who costs twice as much has scored one more league goal than his first campaign. If Jackson isnt good enough, neither is Pedro...

Lets face it, Pedro is the scraps off the top table we used to dine at. We can and should do better.

We have far more pressing concerns in the squad and boardroom to address first.

Claiming there's no difference between Pedro and Jackson showd your either and have never actually watched them play or you're an idiot.

8 hours ago, bluelightening said:

Great, scored an overhead goal when the game was lost. Where was he in the previous 90. sorry, not good enough. bang average season no better than Jackson.

One league goal more than Jackson... I have some straw you can cling to before you look at where we are in the table... despite his goals.. one more than Jackson - we're lower in the league than where we were last season. Cling to the sinking ship folks, big up bang average players... Not the best Brazilian striker in the league... he's at Brentford and cost less than half the price.

We need someone better.

Jackson scored 30 goals in 81 games.

Pedro has 23 in 50.

Saying he is no better than Jackson is just factually incorrect. Jackson could barely score a goal unless it was put on a plate for him, and even then, he still found ways to f**k it up at times. Jackson also had the benefit of playing with players in better form. If Palmer was in the form he was in last season, Pedro would have even more goals. There are compilations of Jackson messing up Palmer's passes, but if you stick Pedro on the end of them, you would fancy him to score all of them.

It's not just the goals either, it's the way they play. Joao Pedro doesn't make a complete fool of himself when he plays, Jackson did that multiple times. He was an infuriating player to watch.

Edited May 5May 5 by Scott Harris

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Claiming there's no difference between Pedro and Jackson showd your either and have never actually watched them play or you're an idiot.

Neither of your conclusions, it's called opinion dude. Ive watched them play... I see bang average players in both. Sorry. go into next season with pedro leading the line we'll struggle again. Stats back it up. Hasnt scored against any side above us except Villa. Fair to say we are above the teams he scores against. Mid-table. Sorry if this isnt something you like to hear.. honest question, Where does Pedro fit in the top ten strikers weve had in the past twenty years.

1. Drogba

2. Costa

3. JFH

4. Anelka

5. Gudjohnson

6. Flo

7. Giroud

8. Crespo

9. eto'o

10. x3 names that I'd have in front of Pedro.