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Going into today's match, I fully believed we were going to upset the odds and beat Man U and eventually retain the title. I and I imagine all of you were deeply disappointed. In my opinion Carlo should not of threatened to take Luiz off in the first minute, not really the way to build confidence. Bringing on a midfielder and a defender at half time when we needed goals. I don't know about you but we seemed a bit more lively up front when Torres came on.

I was all for giving Carlo another season, but after today a must win game, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing, and I think he is the one holding Torres and Drogba playing in the same team back. We need a manager who can manage a TEAM of world class players and not only a few.

I say bring Ray Wilkins as full time manager. We were doing well when he was only the assistant, imagine what we could do if he was the actual manager.

Also we need to replace the likes of Ballack, Deco, Belletti which Carlo failed to do in both transfer windows this season.

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Going into today's match, I fully believed we were going to upset the odds and beat Man U and eventually retain the title. I and I imagine all of you were deeply disappointed. In my opinion Carlo should not of threatened to take Luiz off in the first minute, not really the way to build confidence. Bringing on a midfielder and a defender at half time when we needed goals. I don't know about you but we seemed a bit more lively up front when Torres came on.

I was all for giving Carlo another season, but after today a must win game, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing, and I think he is the one holding Torres and Drogba playing in the same team back. We need a manager who can manage a TEAM of world class players and not only a few.

I say bring Ray Wilkins as full time manager. We were doing well when he was only the assistant, imagine what we could do if he was the actual manager.

Also we need to replace the likes of Ballack, Deco, Belletti which Carlo failed to do in both transfer windows this season.

To paraphrase PIL. we could all fall to pieces gloriously.

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Wilkins isn;t a good manager.

If Carlo is to leave, which isn't certain yet of course, id' rather someone like Steve Clarke came in. Or a combination of Clarke and someone else, eg. Zola, Petrescu, Wise, etc... People who have played for the club and who know it in and out.

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Wilkins? not sure about that!

Doesn't matter who comes in though. Boas, Benitez, Warnock, Springsteen...

Chances are they will only be here for 18 months anyway.

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Keep Carlo, if we hadnt had the blip it would of been ours, its his fault though that we didnt get out of it earlier...

We need to ship out some players this summer and bring in new hungry ones, Ancelotti got to decide how he wants to play and he should really decide if he wants Drogba or Torres, none of them 2 are happy at the bench and I could see Drogba leaving for Marseille this summer, if not him Anelka.

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Experience would tell us if Wilkins was coming in it would be as Carlos number two...sounds like a good idea.

Clarkey and Zola? they done about as well as Avi at West Ham and I doubt anyone would be advocatinng the return of Avi even after he got us to a CL final.

If we keep changing managers when players underperform or are past their best and can't perform how we want we will never have a squad who respects the manager enough to bust a gut for him.

Todays game should have been motivation enough, the team Carlo chose was probably the one most on here would have chosen and the subs were quite telling and the right ones, he couldn't go out there and kick the ball for them but on the touchline he looked like he would have if he could.

I think people should face the fact we have some great players, some past their best and some up and coming but we made mistakes from the owner and coach through the team that were just too many to overturn once a couple of fresh faces gave the Manager a few more options.

Next season will be different, If Carlo stays (which I hope he does) he will have learned how to win a title and what errors can make a title winning team come up short, he will know what areas he needs to strengthen and what players he wants to build the team around, hopefully a close season and some games without pressure will see Torres find some form and hopefully the owner will have enough faith to give Carlo some of his loose change to use in areas he feels will strengthen the team enough for the righting of this seasons wrongs...a new face at the helm will have the same pressure and likely use the same established players to try to keep himself in the Job, I think if Carlo gets through the summer he will have more courage and confidence in his position to make the crucial decisions that will need making to get us fully back on track.

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Wilkins? not sure about that!

Doesn't matter who comes in though. Boas, Benitez, Warnock, Springsteen...

Chances are they will only be here for 18 months anyway.

Springsteen would be great, so long as he brought in Nils Lofgren as his #2

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Going into today's match, I fully believed we were going to upset the odds and beat Man U and eventually retain the title. I and I imagine all of you were deeply disappointed. In my opinion Carlo should not of threatened to take Luiz off in the first minute, not really the way to build confidence. Bringing on a midfielder and a defender at half time when we needed goals. I don't know about you but we seemed a bit more lively up front when Torres came on.

I was all for giving Carlo another season, but after today a must win game, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing, and I think he is the one holding Torres and Drogba playing in the same team back. We need a manager who can manage a TEAM of world class players and not only a few.

I say bring Ray Wilkins as full time manager. We were doing well when he was only the assistant, imagine what we could do if he was the actual manager.

Also we need to replace the likes of Ballack, Deco, Belletti which Carlo failed to do in both transfer windows this season.

You're joking, right?

First of all, how do you know that Carlo threatened to take Luiz off? If he hadn't replaced him with the admirably-performing Alex, I would bet my last dollar that you and ten thousand others would be screaming that Carlo "has no balls" and "lacks the authority" to substitute a fan-favourite player in Luiz.

Second of all, throwing more strikers on does not equal more goals. If that was the case, we should start every game 6-0-4; who needs a midfield? Drogba was rubbish, the entire front three was rubbish, and the midfield had no control and Luiz (who is a 23-year old, non-English speaker) had lost confidence in a huge game.

You are entitled to your opinion but it is very shortsighted.

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You're joking, right?

First of all, how do you know that Carlo threatened to take Luiz off? If he hadn't replaced him with the admirably-performing Alex, I would bet my last dollar that you and ten thousand others would be screaming that Carlo "has no balls" and "lacks the authority" to substitute a fan-favourite player in Luiz.

Personally, I was screaming at Ancelotti to take Ivan off at half-time before he got a red card.

Yet again, Ancelotti got the team selection wrong and the tactics wrong - a lot of his fans will say he made good substitutions, but if he'd picked the right team and tactics to start with, he wouldn't have had to. The sooner he leaves Chelsea the better.

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Personally, I would take off Ivanoic and put Alex on, Luiz to play right. However reading from Carlo's post match view, Luiz had a problem before the match, and he took a knock from Rooney. Ivanoic was all over the places and unlucky to stay on, but he actually recovered well in the second half. We lost because player's incompetence, Carlo had little option after going 0:2. He picked the players most fans want, used a system that the players wanted, only to saw us throw it away from the kick off. My only biff was not giving Yossi a run when we were desperately short of ideas, but I'm sure there will be plenty of criticism if he made that move and didn't pay off. No manager would have saved us yesterday, we were fortunate not to go 3 or 4 behind in the first half.

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I think people just need to come to terms with our squad just wasnt good enough this season and it isnt ancelloti's fault, players who the fans have looked too this season to shake things up have not performed at all and we've lacked the killer instinct aswells, We've had no screamers , Not spectacular games and not really had a player thats took hold of games and delivered goals , always thought we should of gave ballack & Joe Cole another year as they gave us that muscle in the midfield which is what we need against big teams , We need a better assistant manager and we need some new blood. The winning mentality hasnt been there for us since our loss against arsenal at the start of the year, since that game iv always thought chelsea wouldnt win a thing this year and unfortunaly i was thinking correctly, But saying this chelsea have got a big summer ahead of them , and im sure were going to be saying good bye to some greately admired players. Champions league next season is a must for me and we need to keep ancelloti, if we sack him then i can see us having another trophyless or just scraping the title next year.

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Personally, I was screaming at Ancelotti to take Ivan off at half-time before he got a red card.

Yet again, Ancelotti got the team selection wrong and the tactics wrong - a lot of his fans will say he made good substitutions, but if he'd picked the right team and tactics to start with, he wouldn't have had to. The sooner he leaves Chelsea the better.

Oh comeon he picked the team almost everyone on this forum was screaming for and he made the best subs available. He started Drogba in the middle of the 433 and went with the tried and tested, and the players didn't show up. Short of going out and playing himself, what more could he have done? All 3 of his subs improved us substantially. Alex solidified our shattered defence, Ramires put some life back into midfield, and Torres did a lot better than Kalou and Drogba. How exactly did he pick the wrong team when everyone here was crying for that exact lineup save for maybe Kalou? The man just can't win.

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It really pisses me off when people of this forum state what team they want, and carlo has the same opinon, plays them and when it goes wrong they want his head because he didn't win bla bla. Remember the team you chose, you fans are dissapointing tbh no f**king pleasing you. Carlo fone everything with in his capabilities for us to win that game. Yesterday he proved to me the amount he wants us to suceed, his emotions were crazy and showed a unbelievable amount of passion. Lads, just give him a break and a anotheer season with some money to bring in fresh blood.

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Personally, I was screaming at Ancelotti to take Ivan off at half-time before he got a red card.

Yet again, Ancelotti got the team selection wrong and the tactics wrong - a lot of his fans will say he made good substitutions, but if he'd picked the right team and tactics to start with, he wouldn't have had to. The sooner he leaves Chelsea the better.

That's pretty harsh BB, though I agree with you about Ivan.

Not sure exactly what you're demanding of the guy. We were chasing the game from 30 seconds in which pretty much throws everything in terms of tactics out the window. I think the team selection however was perfect justified. Kalou was the only real question mark and given his scoring record recently he couldn't really leave him out.

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On reflection every single one of us would have taken second place two or so months ago.

Carlo and the lads have to be commended for that, but if we are totally honest, given the changes made in the summer and our trimmed squad in terms of quality and depth did we really expect to win anything?

Carlo inherited an ageing team, won a double that none of us could have expected given our defeat to Inter,

Personally I feel when it matters however, when things go wrong in games he has no tactical awareness or plan B to turn things to our advantage.

He has missed Ray Wilkins let us not kid ourselves, turning to two blokes with no credentials at this level is nothing but suicidal and the board or whoever made that decision have to share any blame.

I think the decision has already been made, it has been for a while, Carlo is off in the summer. For me he has done brilliantly given the circumstances and acted with dignity throughout a bit like Claudio Ranieri when he knew his fate.

He has failed tactically in three key games this season against Man Utd and against lnter Milan last season, given that nobody can argue Roman swinging the axe.

We need players in key positions - we are crying out for width, Valencia tore us apart at the Weekend , we need someone like that - Sanchez remains my choice bur we need two.

We still need that number 10, a player that can pick as pass a Wesley Sneider type, otherwise Torres will be the most expensive failure in history - our second alongside Shevchenko.

We maybe need Van der Weil a modern day full back if there ever was one.

However Man City are in the Champions League or are likely to be !

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On reflection every single one of us would have taken second place two or so months ago.

Carlo and the lads have to be commended for that, but if we are totally honest, given the changes made in the summer and our trimmed squad in terms of quality and depth did we really expect to win anything?

Carlo inherited an ageing team, won a double that none of us could have expected given our defeat to Inter,

Personally I feel when it matters however, when things go wrong in games he has no tactical awareness or plan B to turn things to our advantage.

He has missed Ray Wilkins let us not kid ourselves, turning to two blokes with no credentials at this level is nothing but suicidal and the board or whoever made that decision have to share any blame.

I think the decision has already been made, it has been for a while, Carlo is off in the summer. For me he has done brilliantly given the circumstances and acted with dignity throughout a bit like Claudio Ranieri when he knew his fate.

He has failed tactically in three key games this season against Man Utd and against lnter Milan last season, given that nobody can argue Roman swinging the axe.

We need players in key positions - we are crying out for width, Valencia tore us apart at the Weekend , we need someone like that - Sanchez remains my choice bur we need two.

We still need that number 10, a player that can pick as pass a Wesley Sneider type, otherwise Torres will be the most expensive failure in history - our second alongside Shevchenko.

We maybe need Van der Weil a modern day full back if there ever was one.

However Man City are in the Champions League or are likely to be !

Great post! Agree fully.

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Oh comeon he picked the team almost everyone on this forum was screaming for and he made the best subs available. He started Drogba in the middle of the 433 and went with the tried and tested, and the players didn't show up. Short of going out and playing himself, what more could he have done? All 3 of his subs improved us substantially. Alex solidified our shattered defence, Ramires put some life back into midfield, and Torres did a lot better than Kalou and Drogba. How exactly did he pick the wrong team when everyone here was crying for that exact lineup save for maybe Kalou? The man just can't win.

I agree that a lot of posters on here were happy with the team selection. However, I wasn't, and rarely am happy with his team selections. And, just a thought, if he'd picked the right team in the first place he wouldn't have had to make those 'substantially improving' substitutions.

I get really pissed off with some people in this forum who refuse to hear a bad word said against the manager. I don't like Ancelotti, and I don't rate him - never have done, and didn't want him here in the first place. That's just my personal opinion, and if you don't like it, then tough. I'm not alone in my opinion either, there are a few in TheShedEnd who share my views. I don't try to change other people's opinions, but I have the right to air my views as much as you do.

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On reflection every single one of us would have taken second place two or so months ago.

Carlo and the lads have to be commended for that, but if we are totally honest, given the changes made in the summer and our trimmed squad in terms of quality and depth did we really expect to win anything?

Carlo inherited an ageing team, won a double that none of us could have expected given our defeat to Inter,

Personally I feel when it matters however, when things go wrong in games he has no tactical awareness or plan B to turn things to our advantage.

He has missed Ray Wilkins let us not kid ourselves, turning to two blokes with no credentials at this level is nothing but suicidal and the board or whoever made that decision have to share any blame.

I think the decision has already been made, it has been for a while, Carlo is off in the summer. For me he has done brilliantly given the circumstances and acted with dignity throughout a bit like Claudio Ranieri when he knew his fate.

He has failed tactically in three key games this season against Man Utd and against lnter Milan last season, given that nobody can argue Roman swinging the axe.

We need players in key positions - we are crying out for width, Valencia tore us apart at the Weekend , we need someone like that - Sanchez remains my choice bur we need two.

We still need that number 10, a player that can pick as pass a Wesley Sneider type, otherwise Torres will be the most expensive failure in history - our second alongside Shevchenko.

We maybe need Van der Weil a modern day full back if there ever was one.

However Man City are in the Champions League or are likely to be !

This is the key and this, ultimately, is what will cost Carlo.

In the Champions League (Romans Holy Grail) , when it really mattered, against a strong team he wasnt able to deliver. I know people will point to a couple of penalty decisions in both ties but they weren't given and he had to get on with it - and it has to be said, losing all 4 matches , he didnt pass the test.

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I think Carlo should stay, at least for another season.

I'm not his biggest fan and I do feel his relaxed almost passive approach, especially during the game when changes need to be made, has certain drawbacks but the better question is who's a better manager out there that's available? You also have to consider the situation this current squad finds itself in. We're at the crossroads. The spine of the team that has carried it for the last seven years has aged and needs replacing. Doesn't mean these players have to be put out to pasture but rather they need to be treated differently. Ancelotti has experience dealing with older players and has been at the club here long enough to get things right. A new man, whoever it may be , will have to learn his way in and we're not in a good place right now for that to be happening. In 2007 when Jose took off the squad still had enough years, talent and leadership in it to persevere, no matter who took charge. Not anymore.

The likes of Lamps, Drogba and even JT will have to realize that their starting places are no longer guaranteed and certain steps need to be taken to prolong their careers in the top flight. A number of players needs to be shown the door and our best youngsters should be given a chance to prove their worth. There are at least two-three key positions that need to be strengthened through transfer market (winger, playmaker, right back) and with the sensible approach we can continue rebuilding the team and remain competitive on a pitch.

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I was very disapointed with the result yesterday. I think my high expectations going in added to the depression that ensued for most of Mothers Day. But to say that Carlo should go seems to be drastic to me. He has been here for two seasons, had a double the first and a complete meltdown in in the second and still challanged for the title this year. He deserves another year, but I am not going to be surprised if he goes in June.

With that said, who would be better than Carlo? I know that there has to be the mass number of firings in a few weeks so there will be more candidates (jose?...jk), but none of the available candidates seem to scream FIRE CARLO AND HIRE ME.

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If we do sack Carlo, I'd ask André Villas Boas if he'd like to come back to Chelsea. He knows the place and has been doing well at Porto. I have a feeling it will be a pretty chaotic summer at the club with people coming in and going out.

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hugely disappointing result yesterday, however I am all behind giving carlo one more season at the club. we have seriously lacked stability and that is not good for the club. If we finish trophyless again next season then at least we gave carlo a decent chance.

However should carlo leave then I would be all behind giving andre vila boas a crack, seems like one seriously talented manager, they are teaching the europa league lessons and I do think that final is little more than a formaility

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