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Following Our Nearest and Dearest Rivals, 2014-15

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When people talk about the lack of black managers in the league it shows how they've not broken the numbers down.

 

92 clubs in the league with an average squad of 25 thats 2300 players (ish) of which there are only 92 places for them to be managers, then take into account that some managers have been successful for years so that will take up shall we say another 20 spots, so now we're down to 72 spots.

 

I think at the moment there are 4 black managers, and a few I can think of that have tried without success to be a manager, so if there were or had been 10 black managers in the last decade is that percentage that low?

 

Have some that have complained about not being given a chance offered to coach in lower leagues for little money, or do they think that "I'm Sol Campbell" so I shouldn't have to do that?

 

Look at Chris Powell, started coaching, then moved up, has John Barnes offered to be a coach anywhere? Or does he believe he has a devine right to be a manager?

 

In the case of John Barnes, whenever I hear him talk about football he always spouts nonsence anyway, so he's best kept away from management.

When people talk about the lack of black managers in the league it shows how they've not broken the numbers down.

 

92 clubs in the league with an average squad of 25 thats 2300 players (ish) of which there are only 92 places for them to be managers, then take into account that some managers have been successful for years so that will take up shall we say another 20 spots, so now we're down to 72 spots.

 

I think at the moment there are 4 black managers, and a few I can think of that have tried without success to be a manager, so if there were or had been 10 black managers in the last decade is that percentage that low?

 

Have some that have complained about not being given a chance offered to coach in lower leagues for little money, or do they think that "I'm Sol Campbell" so I shouldn't have to do that?

 

Look at Chris Powell, started coaching, then moved up, has John Barnes offered to be a coach anywhere? Or does he believe he has a devine right to be a manager?

 

In the case of John Barnes, whenever I hear him talk about football he always spouts nonsence anyway, so he's best kept away from management.

 

Not exactly how it works I know but it is maybe worth pointing out that 3% of the UK population is black (source Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom). 

 

So for there to be 4 black managers in charge out of the 92 English league sides that means that they are actually over represented in regards to UK population percentages. 

This highlights just what a prick sol Campbell is perfectly:-)

Immodest Campbell lets his ego do the talking

A few weeks back, the sports minister, Helen Grant, arranged a summit at Whitehall to discuss why there are so few black managers and coaches in the game. Senior figures from the Football Association were there, along with the Premier League, the Professional Footballers’ Association and the Football League. There were guests from Kick It Out and Show Racism the Red Card and Sol Campbell also received an invitation, as an ex-England player who is frustrated, understandably, by the lack of opportunities.

What Campbell does not appear to realise, perhaps, is that the best way to get a point across is without ego or too much self-esteem.

On this occasion he wanted the FA’s technical director, Dan Ashworth, to explain why Gary Neville had been fast-tracked through the system to become one of Roy Hodgson’s assistants with the England team. Ashworth started talking about the favourable impression Neville had made on Hodgson and the players and was running through the processes that were involved when Campbell put out his hand to interrupt him. This is when things started to get a little strange.

“But I am Sol Campbell.”

As you might imagine, that isn’t a particularly easy sentence to come back from. Ashworth did his best to continue because, well, what else could he do? But it is fair to say the entire room had been engulfed in awkwardness and when Ashworth stopped talking there was another tumbleweed moment. Campbell, hand out, ended the conversation in the same way he had started it.

“But I am Sol Campbell.”

He was correct. But whether he gets an invitation the next time there is one of these discussions is not entirely clear.

 

He actually said "But i am Sol Campbell" ? This guy :face_palm:

 

He should never be invited to events about the kick it out campaign ever again, he doesn't help things at all.

Not exactly how it works I know but it is maybe worth pointing out that 3% of the UK population is black (source Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom). 

 

So for there to be 4 black managers in charge out of the 92 English league sides that means that they are actually over represented in regards to UK population percentages. 

 

I know it's not how it works, but as you just pointed out, when you break the numbers down the representation is about right.

 

My ire is directed at those players that seem to feel they have a 'right' to be a manager.

I know it's not how it works, but as you just pointed out, when you break the numbers down the representation is about right.

 

My ire is directed at those players that seem to feel they have a 'right' to be a manager.

 

It just feels like if you are an aspiring black manager or even a washed up black former player... If you can't get work you can blame institutional racism for your lack of employment. 

 

But for every John Barnes surely there are 10 (or more) Iain Dowie's? 

Well done JT!

Lots of Liverpool fans praising him after the charity game for coming to chat to them and sign a few autographs. A lot about it on Twitter if you want more info.

He seems to be making amends to his character a lot in recent seasons. Love him.

Not exactly how it works I know but it is maybe worth pointing out that 3% of the UK population is black (source Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom). 

 

So for there to be 4 black managers in charge out of the 92 English league sides that means that they are actually over represented in regards to UK population percentages. 

 

That's kind of a pointless statistic. Most squads have a healthy percentage of black players, yet there is a far lower percentage of black managers.

 

However I agree with others, if you can't land the plum job you think you deserve Sol, why not do what JFH has done and manage lower down the leagues, or in less glamorous countries. Plenty of white managers have to do that too.

 

Paulo Sousa couldn't get a job, a famous name who won the CL as a player. After a couple of jobs in England he had to go to Romania to manage. Was that beneath him? No. Now he's got the Basel job. Good luck to him.

 

Nigel Clough. An England player, the son of the most famous manager of them all. He managed Burton Albion for over 10 years before getting a league club. Good luck to him too.

 

Les Ferdinand complains about a lack of opportunity for black managers. He says the only job he was offered was the Bournemouth one. Well Les, if you really want to be a manager, go to Bournemouth and prove yourself, would be my advice.

That's kind of a pointless statistic. Most squads have a healthy percentage of black players, yet there is a far lower percentage of black managers.

 

But that higher percentage of black players has not always been the case in Premier League so the number of black ex-players is probably still quite disproportionate to the number of white managers. 

 

In another 10 years time for arguments sake when there are more and more black players looking to go into management then I would expect the number of those that successfully get the jobs will increase. 

 

As it is at the moment statistically the jobs are more likely to go to white managers simply because there are a lot more of them. 

 

But as you say, unless the likes of Les Ferdinand cut their teeth at lower league sides such as Bournemouth or like JFH has done at Burton then they can't piss and moan about a lack of opportunities if they think they are above the roles they've been offered. 

Les Ferdinand complains about a lack of opportunity for black managers. He says the only job he was offered was the Bournemouth one. Well Les, if you really want to be a manager, go to Bournemouth and prove yourself, would be my advice.

 

Exactly, surely Eddie Howe's successes at Bournemouth are proof that if you are talented enough and work hard enough then anything is possible in football?  

 

This is Bournemouth's fifth season ever even in the second tier of English football - as it stands they are currently seven games away from being promoted to the Premier League. Ferdinand should have been grateful to get an opportunity at all - I don't see why he thinks he should walk into a Premier League job with no prior managerial experience.

 

It seems ridiculous to be a snob about it. Using the example of Jimmy Floyd again, Burton Albion have only been in the Football League at all since 2009. He's only been there for five months and he's already led them to their best season ever.

Well done JT!

Lots of Liverpool fans praising him after the charity game for coming to chat to them and sign a few autographs. A lot about it on Twitter if you want more info.

He seems to be making amends to his character a lot in recent seasons. Love him.

 

This is something JT ( and most footballers ) has always done throughout his career. If the media focused on this side of Terry more often then people wouldn't be so negative towards him. It's sad how easily people's minds are controlled by what the media has to say.

Gary Linekar is clearly not a fan of coitus interruptus having said it is a  disgrace if England stars pulled out of Euro U21s. 

 

Clearly not concerned with overpopulation; under-21s are likely to be the most fertile people around.

8/10, got lazio player, and 7 titles wrong:(

Liking these quizzes though!

Not bad... 8 is quite difficult I would imagine.

Seriously liking these quizzes too!

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