Why can't Jose and Eva settle their differences by talking? Why? I'd think two adults are able to do that. Why involve lawyers? Why involve doctors association? Why let this thing live its life in the press? People can be so stupid! Enfuriates me reading headlines of this incident.

If Jose can't live with Eva as her doctor settle it behind closed doors somehow.

It wouldn't surprise me if the process of mediation was undertaken and agreed to by both parties with lawyers present. Eva seems determined for a payout of some kind and undertaking a mediation is the most painless, cheapest and informal way of settling a legal dispute. 

 

Going to court to resolve a legal matter will only be a last resort if all else fails.

The press are really going after Mourinho with a vengeance over Eva. To be fair Hazard was on the ground for a prolonged period of time and Mourinho's first duty of care should be to his players welfare. I have lost a lot of respect for him over this and his stubborn attitude in general.

 

The atmosphere around the club and with the players does not appear to be good and as she was there for 5 years a lot of the players with have a good connection with her and of course they have to be wondering about themselves in Hazards situation.

 

This could result in a bigger problem between Mourinho and the dressing room which could cost us points on the pitch.

The press are really going after Mourinho with a vengeance over Eva. To be fair Hazard was on the ground for a prolonged period of time and Mourinho's first duty of care should be to his players welfare. I have lost a lot of respect for him over this and his stubborn attitude in general.

 

The atmosphere around the club and with the players does not appear to be good and as she was there for 5 years a lot of the players with have a good connection with her and of course they have to be wondering about themselves in Hazards situation.

 

This could result in a bigger problem between Mourinho and the dressing room which could cost us points on the pitch.

And if Eva were a man?

Darogba might know where Jose has misplaced the dressing room.

I think this was 100% Joses fault and he should have apologized to Eva and reinstate her position.

Not sure what the charges are. Cutting Eva off the team, public humiliation or something else? If a player is cut off the first team after his boss thinks he's done a mistake he is cut off the team. If he disagrees with the boss he is usually cut off the team. No one helps him. He just bites his lip and tries harder. If not he looks for a move away.

the little B is looking for a big pay day, and she will get one

 

no class, goodbye into obscurity 

Good riddance. We don't need staff members who think they're above their colleagues, we don't need a doctor who show lack of loyalty to the club the moment there's some disagreement. Clearly she had an attitude and all the compliments about being an influential woman in a man's world made her think she was bigger than her job. We'll get a better doctor and move on.

 

And please, don't fall for the media garbage, "Jose's greatest mistake", "dark day for football" Comical. She was nothing more than another staff member, easily replaceable.

the little B is looking for a big pay day, and she will get one

 

no class, goodbye into obscurity 

 

 

And it was classy of Jose to try to tell a doctor how to do her job, shout at her and her colleague in public, ignoring the fact that both the referee and Hazard had asked for her help?

And if Eva were a man?

Darogba might know where Jose has misplaced the dressing room.

Good grief, Droog, P-H has a perfectly servicable theory, and you keep dragging gender back into it. And you don't think to ask "And if Jose were a woman" :-)

No idea how some people are so certain either way without knowing the full story.

It's an easy process to analyze facts or actions and draw logical conclusions.

Especially when one is familiar with the legal system this will go to. She will get less than 6 figures in a constructive dismissal claim unless she is unable to find work for longer than a year or if she can some how prove CFC have seriously impaired her ability to earn equal or better wages in the future. That's if she wins. Ran a simulation where she won the court, was out of work for a year and make 10 a week net ( and I highly doubt she is getting a net salary of 520,000 a year). The estimated claim awarded was under 100,000.....unless you go for discrimination or harassment. Sad thing is, her strongest point will be the sexism inherent in the industry, not at CFC.

So it's pretty clear she is going for a settlement aka payout. Two reasons for that logical assumption 1) the above and the fact that if she really has a top sports lawyer their clients will make more in a week than Eva does in year, you don't ignore caviar clients for peanuts pack lawsuits unless their is something more....2 ) the vast majority of law suits ever filed never have the intention of going to court but rather towards a settlement. Ask any lawyer, barrister or solicitor you like.

Or are there people here who honestly believe the clubs corporate culture is one infested in sexism and discrimnation? Can't explain how two employees in two identical roles, in two identical situations have had such different outcomes. To me Eva is the difference and not the treatment of her. I might be wrong but I'd be more than willing to put my money where my mouth is.

Edit: I'd also ask what do these pro-Eva people think she has been doing since the incident? Trying to prove Mourinho wrong and get back on the bench like Fern? Waiting desperately by the phone for Mourinho to call and apologize so all can be well? Or maybe out shopping for lawyers and quizzing on how to get the best settlement?

I'd also be curious, if she goes the sexism route, why she initiated no legal action when she suffered massive sexism abuse at Old Trafford. Would seem quite contradictory if she goes for sexism against the club who made her the face of women on football benches as opposed to the stands full of fans who did nothing but shout abuse with no sanctions from club or FA.

Edited September 23, 201510 yr by Barry Bridges

Good riddance. We don't need staff members who think they're above their colleagues, we don't need a doctor who show lack of loyalty to the club the moment there's some disagreement. Clearly she had an attitude and all the compliments about being an influential woman in a man's world made her think she was bigger than her job. We'll get a better doctor and move on.

And please, don't fall for the media garbage, "Jose's greatest mistake", "dark day for football" Comical. She was nothing more than another staff member, easily replaceable.

And you know all this for certain how exactly? As I mentioned before, it's amazing that so many people know what is going on behind the scenes and in the minds of everybody involved. Plus we have no idea what, if anything, Carneiro decides to do.

Why don't you wait to see what happens, and then throw her under the bus (unparked)? Same request for every other clearvoyant.

Edited September 23, 201510 yr by Valerie

It wouldn't surprise me if the process of mediation was undertaken and agreed to by both parties with lawyers present. Eva seems determined for a payout of some kind and undertaking a mediation is the most painless, cheapest and informal way of settling a legal dispute. 

 

Going to court to resolve a legal matter will only be a last resort if all else fails.

but a tribunal has a cap 25,000 I believe.

And it was classy of Jose to try to tell a doctor how to do her job, shout at her and her colleague in public, ignoring the fact that both the referee and Hazard had asked for her help?

He wasn't telling a doctor how to do their job but rather how to act on the bench. In no way did Mourinho bring her medical abilities into question, just naive on the bench and how it would impact the team on the pitch.

To me it's like a mechanic who rushes to the front of the shop because they are being summoned by a non staff member, rubs against a client and gets them dirty. The manager then chides them infront of the whole shop for going into areas they shouldn't in that context.

Neither the mechanic nor Eva were told they were poor mechanism or doctors, just that they need to be more aware of the impact their actions have on the whole organization.

And let's never forget the fact she rushed out to give treatment to a player who did not need it. So if judging those situations are part of her job then perhaps the criticism was 100% merited, just to play devils advocate. Be curious to read the laws governing the powers ref's have to summon medical staff onto the pitch. If there is nothing there then what?

Was she or was she not instructed by the referee to attend to the player?  Did Hazard or did he not call for help?

 

Is it the referee's job or the manager's job to call on the medical team when he thinks a player has been injured?

Lot's of differing opinions in here, all make good points to consider. 

One thing that is clear is that anybody attempting to attach a sexism label anywhere near our club would do well to remember that we employ THE most powerful woman in football in Marina and up to last year (may still be the case now, idk) were the ONLY club in the Women's PL to have a female manager.

Edited September 23, 201510 yr by startedwithglenn

And you know all this for certain how exactly? As I mentioned before, it's amazing that so many people know what is going on behind the scenes and in the minds of everybody involved. Plus we have no idea what, if anything, Carneiro decides to do.

Why don't you wait to see what happens, and then throw her under the bus (unparked)? Same request for every other clearvoyant.

 

She has done a great job for us, that's not the point.

 

I didn't need more than her "thanks for the support" message, that's a clear stance against your boss that shows lack of loyalty to the working environment. You go out with a message in public that portray your employer as some evil boss. Now, she left the club. I didn't see Fearn shouting back at Jose, I didn't see Fearn putting himself above his colleagues with public messages and I didn't see him quitting his job at the first sign of disagreement.

 

We don't need people like that at the club. Moving on to better things.

Was she or was she not instructed by the referee to attend to the player?  Did Hazard or did he not call for help?

 

Is it the referee's job or the manager's job to call on the medical team when he thinks a player has been injured?

Those are good questions and I suspect both would call on the medical team when they think the player is hurt.... but no one yet has shown me the rule that the doctor needed to follow the orders of the ref. There is a rule that states the team seeking treatment would be down a man if they sought treatment for the player. Was Eva not aware of this?

Let's not forget the fact the ref signaled twice. Why did Eva ignore it the first time? Either she has no obligation and knew it, didn't know and was exactly as naive as Mourinho claimed and needs to know better, or she ignored a direct order she knew she had to follow. You cant have it both ways.

If I was a slick lawyer at CFC I would simply hand Eva her pink slip and advice her that Mourinho was wrong to criticize her but she is being fired for failing to immediately attend to the needs of an injured player when the ref ordered her on. Sorry, but after Petr Cech nearly lost his life we need to ensure we have medical staff who can act promptly in an emergency and you've demonstrated you are not capable of this. Failure to fulfill duties and insubordination, viable cause for dismissal. Best of luck in the future.

No, Hazard did not signal for treatment. He was purely winded as even the non-medical professionals could tell in person or the millions of fans around the world could tell as they see this multiple times a game.

I would add this is nothing to do with sexism or being a woman. I think she is a strong and potentially stubborn person just like Mourinho. One who may put their pride, both professional and personal, before most things to the point they get caught up in over exaggerated and needless rows... like this.

Only thing is we already have a person like that on the bench and they are the manager. Doesn't matter the issue being argued, the team doctor will never win against the manager regarding football matters ( and this was a football issue not a medical issue, the comments prove that and so does the lack of a medical situation at the time)...especially when that manager is Mourinho and the club CFC.

It's an easy process to analyze facts or actions and draw logical conclusions.

Especially when one is familiar with the legal system this will go to. She will get less than 6 figures in a constructive dismissal claim unless she is unable to find work for longer than a year or if she can some how prove CFC have seriously impaired her ability to earn equal or better wages in the future. That's if she wins. Ran a simulation where she won the court, was out of work for a year and make 10 a week net ( and I highly doubt she is getting a net salary of 520,000 a year). The estimated claim awarded was under 100,000.....unless you go for discrimination or harassment. Sad thing is, her strongest point will be the sexism inherent in the industry, not at CFC.

So it's pretty clear she is going for a settlement aka payout. Two reasons for that logical assumption 1) the above and the fact that if she really has a top sports lawyer their clients will make more in a week than Eva does in year, you don't ignore caviar clients for peanuts pack lawsuits unless their is something more....2 ) the vast majority of law suits ever filed never have the intention of going to court but rather towards a settlement. Ask any lawyer, barrister or solicitor you like.

Or are there people here who honestly believe the clubs corporate culture is one infested in sexism and discrimnation? Can't explain how two employees in two identical roles, in two identical situations have had such different outcomes. To me Eva is the difference and not the treatment of her. I might be wrong but I'd be more than willing to put my money where my mouth is.

Edit: I'd also ask what do these pro-Eva people think she has been doing since the incident? Trying to prove Mourinho wrong and get back on the bench like Fern? Waiting desperately by the phone for Mourinho to call and apologize so all can be well? Or maybe out shopping for lawyers and quizzing on how to get the best settlement?

I'd also be curious, if she goes the sexism route, why she initiated no legal action when she suffered massive sexism abuse at Old Trafford. Would seem quite contradictory if she goes for sexism against the club who made her the face of women on football benches as opposed to the stands full of fans who did nothing but shout abuse with no sanctions from club or FA.

Well said Barry, its a pay cheque for her that's all it is. In today's world, no employer would put them self in such a vulnerable position as the media wants us to believe with their click bait stories. They would have settled it weeks ago before it got out of hand for the mere furore it would create. Mr Fearn takes criticism on board, justified or not isn't the issue, but keeps his head down and gets on with it. A woman with all the "supposed difficulties" a woman would face in a male dominated sport plays the I'll fight for my honour card a.k.a show me the money.

 

I feel disappointed but moreso for the women that try to justify her actions by telling us its sexism playing out and she has rights she should be defending. Those are the barriers in their way, barriers created by Eva and her kind when they decide that i'll just play this card and bank the cheque.

 

I would say to all those that may be offended by my opinion, don't expect an apology. Its my opinion. Have yours as well.

She has done a great job for us, that's not the point.

I didn't need more than her "thanks for the support" message, that's a clear stance against your boss that shows lack of loyalty to the working environment. You go out with a message in public that portray your employer as some evil boss. Now, she left the club. I didn't see Fearn shouting back at Jose, I didn't see Fearn putting himself above his colleagues with public messages and I didn't see him quitting his job at the first sign of disagreement.

We don't need people like that at the club. Moving on to better things.

My point is that a lot of people hang her out to dry without having a clue still what has been going on behind the scenes or what is going to happen. And whatever Fearn did or did not do is neither here or there in the whole discussion.

I feel disappointed but moreso for the women that try to justify her actions by telling us its sexism playing out and she has rights she should be defending. Those are the barriers in their way, barriers created by Eva and her kind when they decide that i'll just play this card and bank the cheque.

I would say to all those that may be offended by my opinion, don't expect an apology. Its my opinion. Have yours as well.

I hope you don't deduce from my post, as one of the women posting here, that I try to justify her actions. I keep telling people they don't know what's been going on. Neither do I. So, if for the reason of not knowing, people shouldn't attack her, for the same reason people shouldn't defend or justify her.

My point is that a lot of people hang her out to dry without having a clue still what has been going on behind the scenes or what is going to happen. And whatever Fearn did or did not do is neither here or there in the whole discussion.

The Eva camp would strongly agree with that last bit.

However, when it comes to sexism against women, I don't know what could be more pertinent than knowing what would happen to a man in identical circumstances.

The Eva camp would strongly agree with that last bit.

However, when it comes to sexism against women, I don't know what could be more pertinent than knowing what would happen to a man in identical circumstances.

Are you saying that what happens to Carneiro is typical for every woman, and what happens to Fearn is typical for every man? I would say it depends on the person, not on the sex. Everybody makes different choices, so too did both Fearn and Eva.

BTW I'm not in any camp.

Edited September 23, 201510 yr by Valerie

Are you saying that what happens to Carneiro is typical for every woman, and what happens to Fearn is typical for every man? I would say it depends on the person, not on the sex.

BTW I'm not in any camp.

What I am saying is that if you were to be proving that sexist treatment to occured, it would be very inconvenient if someone showed that a man was in that exact ( not an exactly the same but exactly that incident) situation and treated the same as the woman.

The only thing this has to do with women or sexism is if Eva take it to court as such. Otherwise she is just an disgruntled employee. I don't think Eva is doing what she is doing because she is a woman or the same with John. That's just their personality and you may have noticed but I compared Eva's to being similar as Mourinho, I could see him acting the same.

The media have wanted to make this about sexism and unfortunately Eva has been talking to lawyers who will do the same. She might of been talked into or even a sort of seduced into this stance having never originally intended to get this far. Have no doubt there are dozens of women's organization /lawyers pleading with her to become some sort of heroine or spokes person for this issue (and not because they are women but because that is the goal of their organizations ).

Actually, it IS sexist, and also quite silly.

Replace in any such general sweeping statement as yours the word "women" for another group, for instance "men".  I'm assuming you're a man; do you hold the same opinions as all other men? Or do some men have one opinion, some other men hold a different opinion? Or use the word "jew", or "black", or "refugee", or "Brit", or "Capricorn". Perhaps you realise then how utterly ridiculous and discriminatory your statement is.

Why are you making this a male/female thing?

 

ive clearly stated that its about loyalty and integrity of your staff male female transgender cat or dog!!!!

 

My point is that, As soon as Jose has had a pop at BOTH medical staff, Eva has given him the finger, quit and is now preparing legal proceedings, Not because she is a women(as far as we know), But clearly a bad egg in the first place.

 

Obviously I will change my opinion when more info comes out..

What I am saying is that if you were to be proving that sexist treatment to occured, it would be very inconvenient if someone showed that a man was in that exact ( not an exactly the same but exactly that incident) situation and treated the same as the woman.

The only thing this has to do with women or sexism is if Eva take it to court as such. Otherwise she is just an disgruntled employee. I don't think Eva is doing what she is doing because she is a woman or the same with John. That's just their personality and you may have noticed but I compared Eva's to being similar as Mourinho, I could see him acting the same.

The media have wanted to make this about sexism and unfortunately Eva has been talking to lawyers who will do the same. She might of been talked into or even a sort of seduced into this stance having never originally intended to get this far. Have no doubt there are dozens of women's organization /lawyers pleading with her to become some sort of heroine or spokes person for this issue (and not because they are women but because that is the goal of their organizations ).

Oh okay, I misunderstood what you were saying about Fearn's involvement being pertinent.