So the club want to spend little with the potential of great return.  While the manager wants to spend whatever amount to get sure things.  Color me surprised, one's job relies on business the other's depends on results.  

“I’d be very surprised if I’m sitting here in 12 months’ time and he’s the Chelsea manager. I think he’s the type of manager who won’t accept the involvement from people above, especially on the back of winning the title.”

“He’s not going to go quietly and it’s not great for the club when the manager is coming out and speaking the way he is.”

That`s from Carrager.

 

Carjacker will never have anything good to say about Chelsea. Scouse twat first , pundit second.

@brakeit Conte's a passionate chap yet expect if he gets the players he thinks he needs he will stay and probably be here next season too. 

Agree there needs to be a balance with the board.

 

3 hours ago, Argo said:

His tactics and management in the second season were absolutely dreadful, he had no idea to revert the winter crisis we found ourselves in and just sat there with his hands in his pocket and waited for the players to pull themselves out of the rut, which luckily enough they eventually did. He also didn't change one game from the bench that season, even AVB had that infamous Kalou/Malouda sub vs WBA. Even in the double season there was worrying signs, but the way we ended papered over the cracks.

Also he has no track record for a rebuild which we needed at the time.

Mourinho got three months to get us out of the rut we were in, no other club on our level would have stuck by a manager performing the way we did that season, even Fergie would have been sweating for his job.

I can`t agree on that.

First off, the board messed hard there. They get no one in the summer, and in the winter they made panic buys with Torres.

Sorry but we started great - 4 wins in a row, and out of no where, this shi** fired Ray Wilkins, cause of problems with Emanalo, and they appointed Emanalo for assistant manager.
So not Carlo, the board ruin everything that season. With their sh** in the summer transfer window and brought no one. It`s a deja vu. We become Champion, they are hugely passive in the transfer windows ...

What was Carlo fault ? Did you fu*** see how he comunicate with the Emanalo ? There was zero, absolutely zero bound between them.

Assistant manager is very imporant and of course we will ruined, when they fired Ray after 4 games, which we won and we was first !!! And appoint someone who the manager clearly don`t like and don`t want.

The first time Mourinho was fired was a idiotic move, same goes for the sacking in Carlo. We lose to Inter and United in the CL, but both matches the referee fu** us hard. Especially against Inter, when they didn`t give us atleast 3 clear penalty.

And we finished just second, when the board messed hard and they fired him ....

If Conte is gone, the only manager that will come here, will be guys, who knows they will get fired and get huge money from it. They won`t be like Conte.

After Conte we are going backwards big time. And that will happen, thanks to the sick ..... board.

 

 

1 hour ago, brakeit said:

I can`t agree on that.

First off, the board messed hard there. They get no one in the summer, and in the winter they made panic buys with Torres.

Sorry but we started great - 4 wins in a row, and out of no where, this shi** fired Ray Wilkins, cause of problems with Emanalo, and they appointed Emanalo for assistant manager.
So not Carlo, the board ruin everything that season. With their sh** in the summer transfer window and brought no one. It`s a deja vu. We become Champion, they are hugely passive in the transfer windows ...

What was Carlo fault ? Did you fu*** see how he comunicate with the Emanalo ? There was zero, absolutely zero bound between them.

Assistant manager is very imporant and of course we will ruined, when they fired Ray after 4 games, which we won and we was first !!! And appoint someone who the manager clearly don`t like and don`t want.

The first time Mourinho was fired was a idiotic move, same goes for the sacking in Carlo. We lose to Inter and United in the CL, but both matches the referee fu** us hard. Especially against Inter, when they didn`t give us atleast 3 clear penalty.

And we finished just second, when the board messed hard and they fired him ....

If Conte is gone, the only manager that will come here, will be guys, who knows they will get fired and get huge money from it. They won`t be like Conte.

After Conte we are going backwards big time. And that will happen, thanks to the sick ..... board.

 

 

So it's the boards fault Carlo got tactically bent over by Roy Hogsdon, Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy twice and a past it Dalglish who was managing for the first time since the 90's? We also fired Wilkins in November, his last few games entailed a loss at home to Newcastle, getting outplayed at home to Wolves with Cech saving our arse and battered at Anfield by a Liverpool side who were bang in the middle of there own Chelsea 15/16 "moment" under Roy. The warning signs where there long before Wilkins departed and the crisis was already under way by then, it was obvious something was wrong as early as the Blackpool game. Furthermore i highly doubt Wilkins had any input tactically, Paul Clement was almost certainly Carlo's go to guy in that regard and i highly doubt such a collapse would occur due to Ray going, i mean you seriously believe a dressing room with Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech and Ash in it would self combust because Ray Wilkins left? We also finished 2nd on 71 point's, usually that's not enough for top 4 and we only even got there due to the first 5 games.

Carlo also constantly put us at a disadvantage by naming lineup's during pressers, surely he could see the advantage that was giving the opposition? For example when he revealed Bruma would play vs Villa, to which gave Houllier a whole 24/48 hours to work out a plan to exploit a nervous teenager making his full PL debut, which he did and it cost us two point's.

Ofcourse the board have had there f**k up's but that does not excuse Carlo's bizzare decision making and tactical performance's all season long.

1 hour ago, charierre said:

Carjacker will never have anything good to say about Chelsea. Scouse twat first , pundit second.

Instead of paying for sky I can read better opinions on here for free.

Seems there's s fair few people/places reporting that all is not as well as it could/should be with Conte right now.

Hopefully the board pull their thumbs out of their collective arses and bring in the players he/wants needs by the close of the window because if we lost him so early into his reign because of an ineptitude of signing players, especially after selling so many players, it would be criminal. 

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

So it's the boards fault Carlo got tactically bent over by Roy Hogsdon, Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy twice and a past it Dalglish who was managing for the first time since the 90's? We also fired Wilkins in November, his last few games entailed a loss at home to Newcastle, getting outplayed at home to Wolves with Cech saving our arse and battered at Anfield by a Liverpool side who were bang in the middle of there own Chelsea 15/16 "moment" under Roy. The warning signs where there long before Wilkins departed and the crisis was already under way by then, it was obvious something was wrong as early as the Blackpool game. Furthermore i highly doubt Wilkins had any input tactically, Paul Clement was almost certainly Carlo's go to guy in that regard and i highly doubt such a collapse would occur due to Ray going, i mean you seriously believe a dressing room with Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech and Ash in it would self combust because Ray Wilkins left? We also finished 2nd on 71 point's, usually that's not enough for top 4 and we only even got there due to the first 5 games.

Carlo also constantly put us at a disadvantage by naming lineup's during pressers, surely he could see the advantage that was giving the opposition? For example when he revealed Bruma would play vs Villa, to which gave Houllier a whole 24/48 hours to work out a plan to exploit a nervous teenager making his full PL debut, which he did and it cost us two point's.

Ofcourse the board have had there f**k up's but that does not excuse Carlo's bizzare decision making and tactical performance's all season long.

The facts are that Carlo was doing great and was sacked for nothing. The facts are before the Rat Wilkins drama thanks once again to Emanalo, the team was first.

And of course if you think the board was not to blame, by buying exactly no one in the summer - okay. You can li** as much as you can. It`s your problem to not see the clear problem.

You will post the same sh** when Conte is sacked or decide to leave at the end of campaign. And again will be his fault, that the board is meesed.
And only mad man, who knows nothing about football, will say the sacking of assistant manager is nothing and appoint a guy who Carlo clearly doesn`t like and not communicate.

Carlo is the only man that won us a double. And he did it in his first season. Without splashing big. And he is the guy with most CL trophy.

So i`m pretty sure experience manager like him know better then you, what to speak on press and what tactic to use.

And why you forget to say that we BEAT every single team in top 4 in his first season.

And the facts it`s we finish second, no matter the point. We was first, before the board messed again. They buy him no one, because they always do this, when we win the title. It`s easier.

That`s what they always did.

They making the same mistake over and over again.

 

 

 

I think Carlo was harshly sacked. There were some poor performances during that season, but he wasn't backed properly in the summer, which meant we had a weaker squad than the previous season, which resulted in games with Ferreira filling in at centre back. 

I think finishing 2nd the year after winning the double should be enough to buy you a 3rd season, and considering Carlo was a proven success, not only in England, but also in the champions league, he should have been given time to build a team here, as he never had that opportunity here. 

I don't think that Roman will sack conte unless we go on an abysmal run, although I wouldn't put it past conte walking if he feels the club aren't matching his ambitions. 

I really hope he stays long term. 

30 minutes ago, brakeit said:

The facts are that Carlo was doing great and was sacked for nothing. The facts are before the Rat Wilkins drama thanks once again to Emanalo, the team was first.

And of course if you think the board was not to blame, by buying exactly no one in the summer - okay. You can li** as much as you can. It`s your problem to not see the clear problem.

You will post the same sh** when Conte is sacked or decide to leave at the end of campaign. And again will be his fault, that the board is meesed.
And only mad man, who knows nothing about football, will say the sacking of assistant manager is nothing and appoint a guy who Carlo clearly doesn`t like and not communicate.

Carlo is the only man that won us a double. And he did it in his first season. Without splashing big. And he is the guy with most CL trophy.

So i`m pretty sure experience manager like him know better then you, what to speak on press and what tactic to use.

And why you forget to say that we BEAT every single team in top 4 in his first season.

And the facts it`s we finish second, no matter the point. We was first, before the board messed again. They buy him no one, because they always do this, when we win the title. It`s easier.

That`s what they always did.

They making the same mistake over and over again.

 

He wasn't doing great to which i have already explained. He was tactically poor and naive all season.

59 minutes ago, Argo said:

He wasn't doing great to which i have already explained. He was tactically poor and naive all season.

If a tactically poor and naive manager can bring us a double in his first season (breaking records enroute to that title too, mind) and a second place finish next seasondespite board interference and a weakened squad, care to explain how that squad didn't win far more titles?

Also curious why a tactically poor and naive manager would be given opportunities at the biggest club (or one of) in each ofthe 5 biggest leagues within Europe.....

Not doing great?  Perhaps, but you'd struggle to find another manager who'd have done better in the circumstances.  It would seem though, we might find out if Conte can do better considering he looks to be facing the same circumstances of having a board weaken the squad after wining the BPL title.... Let's just hope his assistant doesn't get randomly sacked in a few months.....

3 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

If a tactically poor and naive manager can bring us a double in his first season (breaking records enroute to that title too, mind) and a second place finish next seasondespite board interference and a weakened squad, care to explain how that squad didn't win far more titles?

Also curious why a tactically poor and naive manager would be given opportunities at the biggest club (or one of) in each ofthe 5 biggest leagues within Europe.....

Not doing great?  Perhaps, but you'd struggle to find another manager who'd have done better in the circumstances.  It would seem though, we might find out if Conte can do better considering he looks to be facing the same circumstances of having a board weaken the squad after wining the BPL title.... Let's just hope his assistant doesn't get randomly sacked in a few months.....

So when we win it's all the manager's great work but when we lose they are totally innocent and it's the boards fault? Got it.

1 hour ago, big blue said:

I think Carlo was harshly sacked. There were some poor performances during that season, but he wasn't backed properly in the summer, which meant we had a weaker squad than the previous season, which resulted in games with Ferreira filling in at centre back. 

I think finishing 2nd the year after winning the double should be enough to buy you a 3rd season, and considering Carlo was a proven success, not only in England, but also in the champions league, he should have been given time to build a team here, as he never had that opportunity here. 

I don't think that Roman will sack conte unless we go on an abysmal run, although I wouldn't put it past conte walking if he feels the club aren't matching his ambitions. 

I really hope he stays long term. 

Some poor performance's? Understatement of the decade.

Not being backed doesn't excuse the error's he made throughout the season, and reapatedly aswell. I wouldn't have actually minded to much if he got another season to make amends  (equally wasn't bothered he left either tho) but the excuses people make for his performance that season are almost as bad as the one's made for Torres during his time here.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

So when we win it's all the manager's great work but when we lose they are totally innocent and it's the boards fault? Got it.

You essentially state that the squad won a record breaking double (& came 2ND with a weaker squad the following season)despite an incompetent manager , to which I ask why didn't they win far more titles then? 

So you can toss another strawman argument if you like or you can defend your stance which seems to be that Carlo was a liability and the squad succeeded despite him.....so again I ask, if that squad was so god to win despite a poor manager why didn't they win more titles?

 

Ps, if a manager fails the second season (and by fail or "lose", we mean still do better than every single team in the league save one, the champions) then yes answers must be provided.....answers like having  a smaller and weaker squad despite title rivals strengthening, like having the board interfere with the running of the team and go over the manager's head on major decisions etc....

1 hour ago, brakeit said:

You will post the same sh** when Conte is sacked or decide to leave at the end of campaign. And again will be his fault, that the board is meesed.
 

Forgot to respond to this. Before i start are you the returned ex member Bola by any chance?

If we fail to defend our title i will access Antonio on his own merit's, if for hypothetical sense we play the season with this squad, relitevely struggle but Antonio gives us the best season he possibly can under the circumstances thanks to his tactics and management i wouldn't have a single complaint, if he makes reapeated blunders like Carlo circa 10/11 or Jose 15/16 then yes i will say the " same sh*t".

Just now, Barry Bridges said:

You essentially state that the squad won a record breaking double (& came 2ND with a weaker squad the following season)despite an incompetent manager , to which I ask why didn't they win far more titles then? 

So you can toss another strawman argument if you like or you can defend your stance which seems to be that Carlo was a liability and the squad succeeded despite him.....so again I ask, if that squad was so god to win despite a poor manager why didn't they win more titles?

I never said he was incompetent, stop twisting thing's, what i said was his performance in 10/11 was poor, which it was. Do you also believe Jose had no blame for 15/16 and it was "all the board"? The double season is a different argument, when the hell did i say we won the league despite him? He did a good job overall that season.

4 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

Ps, if a manager fails the second season (and by fail or "lose", we mean still do better than every single team in the league save one, the champions) then yes answers must be provided.....answers like having  a smaller and weaker squad despite title rivals strengthening, like having the board interfere with the running of the team and go over the manager's head on major decisions etc....

So the club's actions must be looked at but his managerial performance not? And for the record i agree with the assessment of the board that summer, what im contesting is it being used to excuse Carlo any sin. And, apart from City in fullback, who has significantly strengthened? 

13 hours ago, enigma said:

saw this earlier, but take with a pinch of salt. 

 

In that case, we need to go all out for Matic. United might be willing to sell, if the price is right.

Argo, to be fair i find this forum kinda recently. I was typing in Bulgarian Chelsea forum before.

And to be fair most of the guy there was chilling the same s*** for Conte, after the loses from Arsenal and Liverool and how he is not good enough and bla, bla, bla ...

I was one of the few that defending him big, cause i knowed how good Conte is. And i defend him till the end.

I`m almost always behind the manager.

So don`t think i`m some random hater. I just don`t want to repeat the same s*** the board put us every single year, or at best in 2 years.
Fuc**** at the window, when we are champion and then sack the manager and then repeat the same s**** all over again.

You can`t build something big like that. This is not a long term project to me. And for once they should backup the manager and bring whatever the hell he wants, when he come in so difficult moment to us and win us the title in such hard competition.

That`s what i`m for. I`m tired of changing manager every season.

And people here want the manager to intergrate young guns. How to happen, when everyone know if the result are not deliever he is gone ??? Who will put his head for young player, that may cause hes head down and he won`t get the pops for integrated them in the first team. Van Gaal for example play a lot of young players, what that give him in exchange? And he was in United and it was given time to him. He would be sacked in Chelsea after 10 games ....

I said it 100 times. If Conte leave, forget a top tier manager to come here. Atleast before they know if they failed they will be sacked, but will get huge money for transfer and great players. Now they can be certain, that they will be sacked, but won`t get a top tier players and the players that will come will not be their choice, but Emanalo .... No one with respect and talent will want to come here ....

Only money hunters, who knows they will be sacked and will get big money for it. There is a lot better destination then us now. City and United for example give more money and as well give more time to the managers.

And for Carlo did you realize, that our last title was in 2005-2006, before Carlo won it. And after that season, the title in the league come in 2014-2015 ....

So Carlo back then did almost the same as Conte. Except he didn`t take the team from 10 place. But when he come, Chelsea was not won a title in 4 years. And after him there was exactly the same amout of time, we didn`t win the title.

So it`s obvious who`s fault is.

Whatever you look it, it`s a fu**** hilarious to fired assistant coach, and put someone like Emanalo there, when it`s clearly Carlo doesn`t like him. You got to be blind to not see this. There was huge distance between them. They didn`t even communicate. How you expect Carlo to be ? Happy? Carlo was probably pissed hard with the board. You ruin your manager bond like that. And that will influence your team and coach perfrormance.

We start the season with 5 wins in a row and United have 2 draws already, they was 4 points behind us, and the board destroys it all.

And how imporant Ray was for Carlo:
 

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Ray is one of those select few, always present, noble in spirit, a real blue-blood, Chelsea flows in his veins ... without him we wouldn't have won a thing

That`s speak for itself.

It was idi*** act from the board, and whoever try to say the opposite is simply not right.

If they sack Conte assistant manager, for whatever reason, i`m pretty sure Conte will leave immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Argo said:

Forgot to respond to this. Before i start are you the returned ex member Bola by any chance?

If we fail to defend our title i will access Antonio on his own merit's, if for hypothetical sense we play the season with this squad, relitevely struggle but Antonio gives us the best season he possibly can under the circumstances thanks to his tactics and management i wouldn't have a single complaint, if he makes reapeated blunders like Carlo circa 10/11 or Jose 15/16 then yes i will say the " same sh*t".

I never said he was incompetent, stop twisting thing's, what i said was his performance in 10/11 was poor, which it was. Do you also believe Jose had no blame for 15/16 and it was "all the board"? The double season is a different argument, when the hell did i say we won the league despite him? He did a good job overall that season.

So the club's actions must be looked at but his managerial performance not? And for the record i agree with the assessment of the board that summer, what im contesting is it being used to excuse Carlo any sin. And, apart from City in fullback, who has significantly strengthened? 

I don't think you can compare jose in 15/16 to Carlo in 10/11. We were 16th in the table in November when jose left. In the whole of carlo' s 2nd season we never dropped lower than 5th. 

Once again Conte is talking about the team need new signing and how big lose Matic is and that it was not his decision to sell him.

When this board wake up ?

 

 

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

Argo, to be fair i find this forum kinda recently. I was typing in Bulgarian Chelsea forum before.

Fair enough, apologies for the mix up.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

And to be fair most of the guy there was chilling the same s*** for Conte, after the loses from Arsenal and Liverool and how he is not good enough and bla, bla, bla ...

I was one of the few that defending him big, cause i knowed how good Conte is. And i defend him till the end.

I certainly wasn't, i saw more than enough signs to see we were heading in the right direction, even after the shambles at The Emirates.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

So don`t think i`m some random hater. I just don`t want to repeat the same s*** the board put us every single year, or at best in 2 years.
Fuc**** at the window, when we are champion and then sack the manager and then repeat the same s**** all over again.

You can`t build something big like that. This is not a long term project to me. And for once they should backup the manager and bring whatever the hell he wants, when he come in so difficult moment to us and win us the title in such hard competition.

That`s what i`m for. I`m tired of changing manager every season.

So am i, but ill be even more tired of stability for the sake of it. Sticking by the wrong manager just because it's 'right' actually damages the club in the long run, look at United.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

I`m tired of changing manager every season.

And people here want the manager to intergrate young guns. How to happen, when everyone know if the result are not deliever he is gone ??? Who will put his head for young player, that may cause hes head down and he won`t get the pops for integrated them in the first team. Van Gaal for example play a lot of young players, what that give him in exchange? And he was in United and it was given time to him. He would be sacked in Chelsea after 10 games ....

No he wouldn't have been, he would however have been sacked long before he was at United, and rightly so.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

I said it 100 times. If Conte leave, forget a top tier manager to come here. Atleast before they know if they failed they will be sacked, but will get huge money for transfer and great players. Now they can be certain, that they will be sacked, but won`t get a top tier players and the players that will come will not be their choice, but Emanalo .... No one with respect and talent will want to come here ....

Only money hunters, who knows they will be sacked and will get big money for it. There is a lot better destination then us now. City and United for example give more money and as well give more time to the managers.

Actually no, this is a dream job for any manager. If you win then you get you're reputation enhanced, and even if you fall hard you will still get another top job due to this utterly outrageous myth that it's the players, board, owners fault and never the managers at Chelsea. See Jose and AVB for that, both basically got a free pass and another chance due to the narrative of the players "downing tools" for them yet at there new club's the problems which ended their spells here were still apparent while our squad improved and performed better beyond any point under them, funny that.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

And for Carlo did you realize, that our last title was in 2005-2006, before Carlo won it. And after that season, the title in the league come in 2014-2015 ....

So Carlo back then did almost the same as Conte. Except he didn`t take the team from 10 place. But when he come, Chelsea was not won a title in 4 years. And after him there was exactly the same amout of time, we didn`t win the title.

No he didn't, Carlo did a good job in the double season but Conte is light years ahead of him, especially tactically. We didn't win many title's either side of 2010 mainly because of Ferguson, his drive and sheer hunger for success was inhuman and fighting against that was a nightmare. If he retired in 2001 like initially planned we would have dominated that period just like Liverpool 80's and United 90's.

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

Whatever you look it, it`s a fu**** hilarious to fired assistant coach, and put someone like Emanalo there, when it`s clearly Carlo doesn`t like him. You got to be blind to not see this. There was huge distance between them. They didn`t even communicate. How you expect Carlo to be ? Happy? Carlo was probably pissed hard with the board. You ruin your manager bond like that. And that will influence your team and coach perfrormance.

We start the season with 5 wins in a row and United have 2 draws already, they was 4 points behind us, and the board destroys it all.

I don't expect him to be particularly "happy", i also don't expect Mick McCarthy, Steve Bruce and Kenny Dalglish to tactically beat him with absolute ease and for him to stand there and do literally nothing while the performances were awful. Look at how Conte kept trying things until it stuck, even tho he f**ked up in the end Jose he came back in 2013 and kept rotating and switching things until the team got some form of consistency. Carlo's idea of pragmatism that season was starting one of Anelka or Kalou and switching the one who started for the other after an hour.

Also regarding this "And that will influence your team and coach perfrormance." The warning sign's were already there, no way was the decline solely down to Ray leaving. We are talking about a group of players that recovered from their father figure (Jose) leaving to come within touching distance of the two biggest prizes up against United's best ever side, a group of players that kept the club afloat while the likes of Scolari were basically sabotaging the place, the group that had the sheer mental capacity to come back from years and years of CL heartbreak and keep going and going until they eventually done it, and then the year they did it they kept coming back from the dead time after time after time, and you are telling me that group didn't have the mental strength to cope with Ray Wilkins leaving? 

Carlo is almost like the managerial version of Ozil, he is good at riding on the crest of a wave and sometimes even makes that wave stronger (our run in to the double, Madrid's 20 match winning run, Milan's CL wins), but when the team are short of form/inspiration and are in adversity he hides, when you need that motivation or tactical inspiration from the manager he just simply doesn't produce, that's why his league record is poor relative to the team's hes managed and that's why he isn't in the same league as prime Jose, Conte, Simeone, Fergie etc al....

4 hours ago, big blue said:

I don't think you can compare jose in 15/16 to Carlo in 10/11. We were 16th in the table in November when jose left. In the whole of carlo' s 2nd season we never dropped lower than 5th. 

You can't compare in that merit. I'm just basically saying both (admittedly Jose massively more extremely than Carlo) made some serious tactical f**k up's that can't be excused by the summer transfer window.

Edited August 9, 20178 yr by Argo

 

i get that conte probably didn't want matic to be sold, but the fact that matic didn't go on pre-season was a sign to me he was quietly pushing a move through and if he wanted the move, there's not much point keeping an unsettled player. 

 

When it's all said and done, Conte probably will be reinforced with players around 200m in total value.  After winning the league.  That's not too bad, considering we only lost two starters out of it.  

The real shame is the manner in which we depleted our club of players.  Squad players sold or loaned, matic sold without manager approval.  Something like 20 players in total are now unavailable to the squad since last year.  If I were Conte, and I saw Pep getting literally anyone he wanted, sometimes 3 at a position, I would be pissed, he won absolutely nothing last year with an extremely talented squad.