The club struggled to get over the line in the second half of the season and were totally out-classed in Europe, in my opinion. Even if they weren't, the conventional wisdom is when you win the league you need to improve to go again with a couple of big signings.

 

The club struggled in the second half was due mostly to lack of rotation. Now before you say what options do we have on the bench, i would like to point out Barcelona as a reference, their bench is mostly youth players and they picked up the treble last season.

 

We either stagnated or weakened the squad (and improved a rival's). So what exactly was the club stating as it's ambitions for the new season? To go and be better? No. To retain? Maybe but it was going to be a struggle.

 

No team strengthened its rival more than Arsenal and theirs was even due more to financial restraint and they always made a minimum of top four. Cech to Arsenal isnt a stick to beat the board with for lack of ambition. 

 

Top Four? I think this was the aim.

 

Yes, as is it with every other top club in England who has ambitions.

Edited February 14, 201610 yr by lesblues

It's one thing to not get Stones (through our own incompetence and hubris I might add) but to then have no back-up beyond Djilobodgi is ridiculous. Everyone accept the squad needed improving by now don't they? So there has to be some kind of plan B, C and D(jilobodgi) in place doesn't there?

 

Plus fanboys? Really? Come on mate, we're all wanting the best for the club and for them to give any coach a weakened squad to start the season is unacceptable isn't it?

 

I would like to know on what possible reason that you keep bringing that up? surely you can't think that our bad run is caused by failing to land a CB, do you? it's not even part of the reason for our bad run.. why do we need  a back up CB when we have JT/Cahill/Zouma? If it's for the future, well, no point to be so hasty, there is always next summer.. 

Love and loved Jose, but how long has he been gone now?

 

The club struggled to get over the line in the second half of the season and were totally out-classed in Europe, in my opinion. Even if they weren't, the conventional wisdom is when you win the league you need to improve to go again with a couple of big signings.

 

The club struggled in the second half was due mostly to lack of rotation. Now before you say what options do we have on the bench, i would like to point out Barcelona as a reference, their bench is mostly youth players and they picked up the treble last season.

 

We either stagnated or weakened the squad (and improved a rival's). So what exactly was the club stating as it's ambitions for the new season? To go and be better? No. To retain? Maybe but it was going to be a struggle.

 

No team strengthened its rival more than Arsenal and theirs was even due more to financial restraint and they always made a minimum of top four. Cech to Arsenal isnt a stick to beat the board with for lack of ambition. 

 

Top Four? I think this was the aim.

 

Yes, as is it with every other top club in England who has ambitions.

 

 

Barcelona are a difficult model to emulate for one specific reason - those youth players came up through Barcelona B playing competitive football in a team who played exactly like Barcelona. That experience is something we simply can't offer and I think it's a huge advantage in developing youngsters and easing the transition from youth to senior football. 

 

But you're right, I think we were a couple of players short and we didn't remedy that in the summer.

 

Cech to Arsenal is a shocking transfer. You undermine the coach, you make his job more difficult and you help a rival that the supporters hate. I'll never think that transfer was justifiable.

 

As for the ambition thing, in Jose's second season the ambition was clearly the title. The moves we made, the sounds we were making, everything was geared towards the title. This season I didn't see that at the Bridge, but I saw it at Man City and I think that scared the board I think.

 

I think the commitment to providing Jose with the tools to retain the title was absent and you've said as much by saying we stagnated. You can't stand still in this league anymore, it's far too competitive.

I would like to know on what possible reason that you keep bringing that up? surely you can't think that our bad run is caused by failing to land a CB, do you? it's not even part of the reason for our bad run.. why do we need  a back up CB when we have JT/Cahill/Zouma? If it's for the future, well, no point to be so hasty, there is always next summer.. 

 

No I think the lack of ambition allowed complacency and mediocrity to creep in and that manifested itself on the pitch. 

 

The reason I bring it up is because in any business, the tone set by those at the top has far-reaching ramifications and the tone this board set was flawed at best. 

No I think the lack of ambition allowed complacency and mediocrity to creep in and that manifested itself on the pitch. 

 

The reason I bring it up is because in any business, the tone set by those at the top has far-reaching ramifications and the tone this board set was flawed at best. 

 

That, complacency, at best is an assumption.. I could make an assumption that having extra international who sits on the bench would be negative for the team morale.. 

 

You seem to have a fix mindset that every season the club has to spend big in order to compete regardless whether it's really needed or not and I don't agree with that..

 

It's also well noted that you don't give too much attention on the other side  of a football club, there is a need to keep the balance (financially) to keep the club healthy, by not having to spend big on a position that is not crucial, I think it's a wise decision... Our squad is pretty good, the board provided us well.. I wouldn't use this season to reflect how good our squad is because there was 'weird' problem self created by the previous manager.. 

That, complacency, at best is an assumption.. I could make an assumption that having extra international who sits on the bench would be negative for the team morale.. 

 

 

It's an assumption based on what I've seen on the pitch and the way we started the season. 

 

I believe that once you've reached an objective, it's over and you have to set yourself the next target and attack that. We won the league and everything seemed to stop. 

 

That doesn't necessarily mean every season you need to spend, but you do need to rejuvenate things and when there are glaring issues attempt to fix them. I don't think we did that and more worryingly, I don't think there was that desire to.

 

But if you honestly believe the club went all out to retain the title and go further in Europe based on what they did in the summer then that's a perfectly fine opinion to have. I don't agree and I don't really see much evidence to change my mind. What I do hope is that this summer we have a renewed vigour to go out and try to be the best around with a unified vision.

Talking about lacking ambition etc is fine but the club was in 16th position when Jose left with the atmosphere in a bad way.

Even with the players we have, there's no way the club should have been in 16th. 6th-10th would have been considered bad but 16th...was absolutely awful.

Jose failed big time this season. Yes he was let down by lack of signings but there's no way the club should have been where they were.

FWIW, I actually think the club were targeting CL this year and planned their preseason around getting into peak form around end of the season

Edited February 14, 201610 yr by JM7

And to use the stupid high valuation we refused to pay as the cost we wanted to pay is a waste of time. Jose wanted Koke but Atletico said he'd cost 70 mil so Jose wanted to spend 70 mil, it's misrepresenting the facts to further an agenda. We can argue hypotheticals all year.

There would (should?) have been backup options etc. You never put all your eggs in one basket. The bringing up of stones and pogba is just for proof that he wanted to freshen the squad, not that he wanted to spend 120 million on 2 players. We were linked to more than just those 2.

Wanting CB backup and getting djob is the problem, not 'wanting to spend 50 mil on stones'.

Well put

It's an assumption based on what I've seen on the pitch and the way we started the season. 

 

I believe that once you've reached an objective, it's over and you have to set yourself the next target and attack that. We won the league and everything seemed to stop. 

 

That doesn't necessarily mean every season you need to spend, but you do need to rejuvenate things and when there are glaring issues attempt to fix them. I don't think we did that and more worryingly, I don't think there was that desire to.

 

But if you honestly believe the club went all out to retain the title and go further in Europe based on what they did in the summer then that's a perfectly fine opinion to have. I don't agree and I don't really see much evidence to change my mind. What I do hope is that this summer we have a renewed vigour to go out and try to be the best around with a unified vision.

 

We started quite well against swansea, full of energy, crisp passing, intense running right up to that red card and then that incident.. after that game, it's not the same, you name it complacency but I call it interference in team morale..

 

Our 1st XI is pretty good, there is only a handful of players in the world that can be considered as an improvement to that and we all know it's always complicated to get them plus, if it's not broken then don't tweak it..

If we're talking about squad players, I think the club is pretty generous in providing a 20mils as a back up.. Obviously we're coming from a different pov regarding our struggle this season so we may not quite able to see things the same way.. 

 

We'd spend next summer, no doubt about it, however, taking everyting into consideration, I still would like it be a sensible spending.. If the likes of varane/griezman/koke/isco/pogba is available at less than 50mils and the club doesn't go all out to get them then I'd share your view about the club ambition in question but until then, nope.. 

Harry Redknapp: "From the people I know who are in the know, it seems Jose Mourinho to United is a done deal." #CFC #MUFC (SiriusXM FC)

Reliable source so looks likes it's all done.

It's sad to say I am still numb. I have virtually no interest in the games and no emotion when we score  or they do. To here how much we have improved! NO..Costa,, FAB and co started showing up for the CLUB.....Hazard hasn't but that because he feels bad about what he did...  Where would we be if Costa had scored like he is now, in the first half of the season :( I am really hoping something happens in the summer to turn this around ... 

It's sad to say I am still numb. I have virtually no interest in the games and no emotion when we score  or they do. To here how much we have improved! NO..Costa,, FAB and co started showing up for the CLUB.....Hazard hasn't but that because he feels bad about what he did...  Where would we be if Costa had scored like he is now, in the first half of the season :( I am really hoping something happens in the summer to turn this around ... 

 

What's likely to happen in the Summer is that we lose our captain and the last person in a position of significance who actually understands what this club actually is leaves.

 

I totally understand your feelings about the club right now and you're definitely not alone in that. 

Maybe leaving the club to support another solves all problems. Moaning about the club doesn't.

Maybe leaving the club to support another solves all problems. Moaning about the club doesn't.

 

How do you even go about that? Most of us never chose to support a club in the first place.

 

Moaning about the club is what most people do before and after matches isn't it? I'm joking but you go around a boozer before the match and you hear quite a bit and maybe it serves no purpose but to allow people to vent. But maybe over time it mobilises people to get together and effect change. It's a long-shot because I don't think supporters are quite what they were 20 or 30 years ago but who knows?

How do you even go about that? Most of us never chose to support a club in the first place.

Moaning about the club is what most people do before and after matches isn't it? I'm joking but you go around a boozer before the match and you hear quite a bit and maybe it serves no purpose but to allow people to vent. But maybe over time it mobilises people to get together and effect change. It's a long-shot because I don't think supporters are quite what they were 20 or 30 years ago but who knows?

Moan about players, coach, ref, ticket prices, opposition players, FA, games? Yes I do all that but to moan about the club, owner, board members ( most who I don't even know their names)? Nope, I don't.

Moan about players, coach, ref, ticket prices, opposition players, FA, games? Yes I do all that but to moan about the club, owner, board members ( most who I don't even know their names)? Nope, I don't.

 

Some might argue that there's a huge amount of crossover between what you've taken a vow not to moan about and what you have.

 

But like I said, I respect however you choose to act and hope you do the same. Have a good season.

Some people on here need to stop their whining/moaning/mourning. Mourinho deserved to be sacked. He is DONE as a top manager and Manchester United will find that out to their great cost next season.

 

He was floundering and being outfoxed, week in, week out. He was a cretinous, insufferable bore and he massively failed us this season, on and off the pitch. Our future will be brighter without him.

Edited February 17, 201610 yr by Kablamo

Done as a top manager?

I supported him while he was here but now I do not wish to ever see him at the club again.

Some people on here need to stop their whining/moaning/mourning. Mourinho deserved to be sacked. He is DONE as a top manager and Manchester United will find that out to their great cost next season.

 

He was floundering and being outfoxed, week in, week out. He was a cretinous, insufferable bore and he massively failed us this season, on and off the pitch. Our future will be brighter without him.

One side of your seesaw is on the ground, the other up in the air, please could you balance it? Clue, lots of trophies and silver thingies need to go on one side, oh but then that side will be on the ground (scratches head).

Done as a top manager?

 

Laugh it up all you want, I'll be back in twelve months and then three years to collect my winnings on this one.

Laugh it up all you want, I'll be back in twelve months and then three years to collect my winnings on this one.

 

Good idea. The website takes donations I believe so maybe you should wager on that.

If people want to vent about Mourinho's sacking then they have every right to do so. It's a major decision that many supporters feel will impact in the club for many years to come. 

 

We may be proven wrong and it might be a good move with the benefit of hindsight but we won't reach that conclusion until we see what Jose produces at his next club and whether our own football club can get back on its foot and build something special again.

 

If you've moved on and think it was the right decision to sack him then good luck to you but don't patronise those that are still upset about Jose's sacking.

Edited February 17, 201610 yr by Jezz

If people want to vent about Mourinho's sacking then they have every right to do so. It's a major decision that many supporters feel will impact in the club for many years to come.

We may be proven wrong and it might be a good move with the benefit of hindsight but we won't reach that conclusion until we see what Jose produces at his next club and whether our own football club can get back on its foot and build something special again.

If you've moved on and think it was the right decision to sack him then good luck to you but don't patronise those that are still upset about Jose's sacking.