32 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I feel crushed now we're not getting Sandro. I've been clinging on to the dream of us signing a world class player in Sandro on deadline day... Why do we do this to ourselves? Stones, Koulibaly, Naingollan, now f*cking Sandro.

I'll include Rooney in that as well, I got really excited when we were bidding for him. I've always rated him as a domestic footballer not international, even though it was a blessing in disguise as we signed Costa instead but I think he would have been a joy to watch with Mata and Hazard. Anyway back to the point, we seem too happy to keep chasing targets all summer only to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I miss the days where we go ahead and sign the likes of Ballack and Ashley Cole without any complications or haggling.

Wouldn't really put Stones and Koulibaly on the world class scale . Even the other 2 are debatable. Sure good players in their own right but world class? I beg to differ.

Just can't wait for this window to done with now......I'd like to say something positive but I am having a hard time with this torrid mess; still there might be a couple of surprises over the next couple of weeks.....but Sandro it seems won't be one of them.

Sorry Tom looks like you didn't make it...

 

It's like Groundhog Day. In the summer of 2015 it was Stones, in 2016 it was Koulibali and Nainggollan, this time it was Sandro. I wonder who we'll decide to chase all summer next year.
 

Hulk!

Hard to blame the board for this one, if he doesnt want to go theres mot much to do.

12 minutes ago, Xfaxtor said:

Hard to blame the board for this one, if he doesnt want to go theres mot much to do.

Couldn't they figure it out a bit sooner?

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

Couldn't they figure it out a bit sooner?

Look at CAssano over the summer sometimes people just can't make up their minds.

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

Couldn't they figure it out a bit sooner?

You mean make a bid and then when Juve refused and said he isnt for sale then move on? If we operated like that we wouldnt have signed anyone. Its always assumed moving on is so easy, but every club is going to say that initially, the key is offering a deal that is too good to refuse. Whether or not they could have reached this conclusion sooner doesnt really matter, as they will continuisly have pursued other targets. And to be fair, any other year and we would have reached a deal for Sandro by now, but the ridiculous transfer fees beeing paid has completely ruined the market. We still could have gotten Sandro if we wanted, but we would have to pay well over 100 mill, and Roman would never sanction that.

10 minutes ago, Xfaxtor said:

You mean make a bid and then when Juve refused and said he isnt for sale then move on? If we operated like that we wouldnt have signed anyone. Its always assumed moving on is so easy, but every club is going to say that initially, the key is offering a deal that is too good to refuse. Whether or not they could have reached this conclusion sooner doesnt really matter, as they will continuisly have pursued other targets. And to be fair, any other year and we would have reached a deal for Sandro by now, but the ridiculous transfer fees beeing paid has completely ruined the market. We still could have gotten Sandro if we wanted, but we would have to pay well over 100 mill, and Roman would never sanction that.

What makes you think so? If anything, our recent struggles demonstrate that whenever we chase the player for a long period of time, we end up with nothing.

It's like Groundhog Day. In the summer of 2015 it was Stones, in 2016 it was Koulibali and Nainggollan, this time it was Sandro. I wonder who we'll decide to chase all summer next year.
 

Neymar

9 hours ago, abister1 said:

Wouldn't really put Stones and Koulibaly on the world class scale . Even the other 2 are debatable. Sure good players in their own right but world class? I beg to differ.

Wasn't saying they were world class, they're examples of what we've been doing constantly over the past few summers.

I feel crushed now we're not getting Sandro. I've been clinging on to the dream of us signing a world class player in Sandro on deadline day... Why do we do this to ourselves? Stones, Koulibaly, Naingollan, now f*cking Sandro.
I'll include Rooney in that as well, I got really excited when we were bidding for him. I've always rated him as a domestic footballer not international, even though it was a blessing in disguise as we signed Costa instead but I think he would have been a joy to watch with Mata and Hazard. Anyway back to the point, we seem too happy to keep chasing targets all summer only to shoot ourselves in the foot.
I miss the days where we go ahead and sign the likes of Ballack and Ashley Cole without any complications or haggling.

You feel crushed? Lol, I don't really feel bad about it because the few times I watched him last season he doesn't look like the type of defender we should spend more than 40-50 to sign, he doesn't look a top player to me. The only reason I want him here is because Conte and majority here thinks he will improve us a lot. So if the deal doesn't materialize after we have bid more than 55m for him, then am OK with us looking somewhere else.

Wouldn't really put Stones and Koulibaly on the world class scale . Even the other 2 are debatable. Sure good players in their own right but world class? I beg to differ.

I think Naingollan is world class but most people wont know because he is playing for an average team. If Vidal never moved to Juventus and Bayern, most people will just think of him as a good player.

Would we really be chasing this player if he wasn't open to a transfer at some point in this window?

 

I don't believe we were chasing without reason to believe he would actually join us, I just think Juventus really don't wanna let him go (that's their right if he's under contract). We need to move on if we hadn't already, and get another target. The silence is frustrating as it seems like we're not really doing anything else in the transfer market currently.

Edited August 18, 20178 yr by AlwaysRight

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

What makes you think so? If anything, our recent struggles demonstrate that whenever we chase the player for a long period of time, we end up with nothing.

Because this time we werent f**king around with 20 million like we did Stones. We offered a world record for a defender and it was turned down. Theres also a reason things drag out, most transfers that does isnt completed. We arent the only team that drags out transfers or bid on players we end up not getting. We have completed several high profile transfers early, sometimes that jus isnt possible. 

Edited August 18, 20178 yr by Xfaxtor

28 minutes ago, Xfaxtor said:

Because this time we werent f**king around with 20 million like we did Stones. We offered a world record for a defender and it was turned down. Theres also a reason things drag out, most transfers that does isnt completed. We arent the only team that drags out transfers or bid on players we end up not getting. We have completed several high profile transfers early, sometimes that jus isnt possible. 

The first time we were linked with the player was June 7. The link is on the first page of this thread.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/07/chelsea-place-riyad-mahrez-alex-sandro-wanted-list-antonio-conte/

From what I understand the world record fee was offered and turned down yesterday or day before yesterday. It's 16th or 17th of August. Even if Matt Law found out of our interest the very same day we decided to after Sandro, it's still pretty much the whole summer. If we end up without Sandro, then it makes sense to ask: why haven't we got it over with earlier? We had all summer to figure out the plan of action and we ended up doing the same stupid sh*t we did with the players already mentioned here, just drag it out till it's too late. 

The high profile transfers you're referring to weren't completed early. Early is when the player starts a preseason with his new team.

We know Conte wanted Walker and Danilo. City got both. I'm sure Lukaku was our first choice to replace Costa. I'm not a fan, but it was obvious that we have missed out probably because we were overly confident he'll be ours anyway. Now this Sandro saga, that looks too painfully familiar, because we go through the same ordeal summer after summer. 

Edited August 18, 20178 yr by abramovich

Real Madrid have chased Mbappe all summerdoes that make useless or idiots for not getting him? 

I don't really see the issue in chasing one of the best left backs in the world all summer even of there is only a slim chance of getting them.

He will vastly improve our team whereas any one else available won't, Alonso is a very decent LWB so upgrading him is very difficult whereas finding a back up isn't.

Especially when we already have 2 on the books admittedly both look likely to leave.

Edited August 18, 20178 yr by PedroMendez

This is a strange one, by now we should have moved away from him. Somehow we are still chasing after him means he has some interest, just not sure if it's strong enough to force a move.

1 hour ago, PedroMendez said:

Real Madrid have chased Mbappe all summerdoes that make useless or idiots for not getting him? 

I don't really see the issue in chasing one of the best left backs in the world all summer even of there is only a slim chance of getting them.

He will vastly improve our team whereas any one else available won't, Alonso is a very decent LWB so upgrading him is very difficult whereas finding a back up isn't.

Especially when we already have 2 on the books admittedly both look likely to leave.

You can't be serious. Real Madrid have the best squad in the world, they're the only club to win the CL back-to-back. They're so good they can afford to lose the likes of Morata and James Rodriguez and still not skip a beat. If we had a squad anywhere near their depth and quality I could live with missing out on players on occasion, although that doesn't happen to them often. We currently don't have a single player that can break into their first eleven and their former backup striker is our best option upfront.

We, on the other hand, have Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso as our starting wingbacks. I like them both and will support them as long as they wear CFC shirt but there isn't a single top club in Europe that would have them as starters.

Edited August 18, 20178 yr by abramovich

First off Real Madrid, did not chase Mbappe all summer. I even doubt they send official bid for him. They decide to give Bale another season and then decide what will do with him. Also Real is not in hurry, while we was. Already 2 matches are done and we lose both of them. We should have act a lot faster here and move on. Send one, second, and look at other choices anf if you really want that guy, send final offer or simply ask how much and if not happen, then you need to move on, or you will end up f**k..

7 hours ago, wallosh said:

You feel crushed? Lol, I don't really feel bad about it because the few times I watched him last season he doesn't look like the type of defender we should spend more than 40-50 to sign, he doesn't look a top player to me. The only reason I want him here is because Conte and majority here thinks he will improve us a lot. So if the deal doesn't materialize after we have bid more than 55m for him, then am OK with us looking somewhere else.

FFS, he may have some African ancestry if that helps you decide, who is better in your opinion Victor M or Sandro ?

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

You can't be serious. Real Madrid have the best squad in the world, they're the only club to win the CL back-to-back. They're so good they can afford to lose the likes of Morata and James Rodriguez and still not skip a beat. If we had a squad anywhere near their depth and quality I could live with missing out on players on occasion, although that doesn't happen to them often. We currently don't have a single player that can break into their first eleven and their former backup striker is our best option upfront.

We, on the other hand, have Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso as our starting wingbacks. I like them both and will support them as long as they wear CFC shirt but there isn't a single top club in Europe that would have them as starters.

Agree with everything except the highlighted. Hazard and tibo would walk into their first 11, and the only reason dave and kante wouldn't is because those positions are covered, but standard wise they are good enough. Morata is far better than benzema but wasn't happy to be a back up dancer to Ronaldo, he is a number 9 that wants to play as one. Agree on Alonso and VM, they did well, I like alonso especially but they arent good enough lets face it. 

37 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Agree with everything except the highlighted. Hazard and tibo would walk into their first 11, and the only reason dave and kante wouldn't is because those positions are covered, but standard wise they are good enough. Morata is far better than benzema but wasn't happy to be a back up dancer to Ronaldo, he is a number 9 that wants to play as one. Agree on Alonso and VM, they did well, I like alonso especially but they arent good enough lets face it. 

I've actually spoken to a Real Madrid fan who was very disappointed with the loss of Morata. He watches the club, week in, weak out and he believes Morata is the better player but his link up play with Ronaldo isn't as good as Benzema's therefore, Karim gets played more. 

Just now, TomCFC85 said:

I've actually spoken to a Real Madrid fan who was very disappointed with the loss of Morata. He watches the club, week in, weak out and he believes Morata is the better player but his link up play with Ronaldo isn't as good as Benzema's therefore, Karim gets played more. 

Standard, that's the reason not his quality, it's not a whacky theory that really is the reason, Benzema isn't nearly as good as Morata. 

20 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Agree with everything except the highlighted. Hazard and tibo would walk into their first 11, and the only reason dave and kante wouldn't is because those positions are covered, but standard wise they are good enough. Morata is far better than benzema but wasn't happy to be a back up dancer to Ronaldo, he is a number 9 that wants to play as one. Agree on Alonso and VM, they did well, I like alonso especially but they arent good enough lets face it. 

Forgot about Courtois, but as for Hazard, the only two players he can replace in their starting eleven are CR and Bale and that's not going to happen.

2 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Forgot about Courtois, but as for Hazard, the only two players he can replace in their starting eleven are CR and Bale and that's not going to happen.

Don't forget, Hazard can play as a CF too