1 hour ago, dkw said:

Yes he is.

Too long or too short attempts are not part of my definition of creativity. 

 

Oh good, stats......

Why is this thread about Jorginho for the last 10+ posts? Any news about the injury?

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Oh good, stats......

Yeah, you act very cool but i deciced not to ignore 0 assists and 6 big chances created  in 42 games right next to his name. 

Yay, more stats.... 

54 minutes ago, Droopy said:

Yeah, you act very cool but i deciced not to ignore 0 assists and 6 big chances created  in 42 games right next to his name. 

Assists is always subjective unless you're producing them at a ridiculous rate like a KDB or prime Cesc.

You can produce the best through ball in football history yet you will still be relying on the striker to finish the chance for it to count for anything while equally you could pick up an assist for a one yard pass just before another player skips past four and slots home or bangs it in from the half way line.

2 hours ago, Vagabond said:

Why is this thread about Jorginho for the last 10+ posts? Any news about the injury?

fit to play

You may laughing at stats but I surely watch the games and Jorginho's lack of passing creativity is there no matter the cliches you keep repeating. 

How on Earth are you blaming the strikers for his zero assists. He's fed no more than 3 times Giroud or Higuain last season. Always too short or too long, never found them. 

18 minutes ago, Droopy said:

You may laughing at stats but I surely watch the games and Jorginho's lack of passing creativity is there no matter the cliches you keep repeating. 

How on Earth are you blaming the strikers for his zero assists. He's fed no more than 3 times Giroud or Higuain last season. Always too short or too long, never found them. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/cfcmusaa/status/1113924394882093058?lang=en

 

20 minutes ago, Droopy said:

You may laughing at stats but I surely watch the games and Jorginho's lack of passing creativity is there no matter the cliches you keep repeating. 

How on Earth are you blaming the strikers for his zero assists. He's fed no more than 3 times Giroud or Higuain last season. Always too short or too long, never found them. 

Well lets be honest here, our strikers last season...not good enough for a top 4 team. Top goal scorer was Hazard, look at the other 3 teams they all had at least a better starting striker and in some cases a better backup striker...It was a problem since Costa left and it sort of ended now that we have Tammy, which is great. I actually posted a video that shows why Jorginho didn't have an assist and you can't blame his passing ability.

Even if you could though, it doesn't help that Kovacic simply doesn't know how to shoot, he hasn't scored since January 2017...How do you completely lack the ability to attack the goal in any way as a midfield player? 

44 minutes ago, Droopy said:

You may laughing at stats but I surely watch the games and Jorginho's lack of passing creativity is there no matter the cliches you keep repeating. 

How on Earth are you blaming the strikers for his zero assists. He's fed no more than 3 times Giroud or Higuain last season. Always too short or too long, never found them. 

Garbage. 

1 hour ago, mojo said:

fit to play

Good, will be important since Kante still seems to be missing.

On 07/09/2019 at 22:43, Vagabond said:

You are wrong and your strawman won't help. I never claimed that passing accuracy is all I care about as you are trying to imply, I said a midfielder with a 93% accuracy is a very unlikely factor for not having the upper hand in midfield (*edit* Team accuracy was @ 90% in the first 45 minutes and dropped to 85% the second half). Since you somehow can't provide a single example where Kova lost the upper hand and the stats are proving you wrong as well, I will go on. No problem.

Much respect to your gut feeling though.

Go on then, what are the amount of key passes/dribbling/assists/goals he had in that game and the other 40+ he had before. Since you are so convinced this guy got all around game apart from the passing accuracy, do educate me. The point was even against teams coming up, he couldn't stamp his authority on his game, and there are another 30+ games just like that for you to convince me ( or yourself) otherwise. He's been an 6/10 player for us for about a year, and asking for a better performance once a year is asking too much, fo figure.

Yes, he was in the winning team yesterday, so google his stats for me if you think he had another great game.

 

For me Kovacic was very good yesterday. Seemed to be everywhere in defensive midfield yet also sprayed out good balls wide and forward.

Excellent running with the ball from defensive positions to break their lines and release our front men. 

All round top m/f performance except scoring, hoping that downs to SFL's management.

Kova, Ruben and Kante has the potential to be a fantastic PL midfield. Pace, power and technique.

On 07/09/2019 at 15:11, Gol15 said:

We'll see who will be benched first vs Wolves.

 

Jorghy 90min

Kova 70min

 

On 13/09/2019 at 14:01, Droopy said:

Too long or too short attempts are not part of my definition of creativity. 

 

We had a 54.7 per cent share of possession. Jorginho spent the most time on the ball (6.7 per cent)

Unsurprisingly, then, they also led the way when it came to passes attempted and completed. Jorginho was successful with 62 of his 70 passes

When it came to key passes, Jorginho and Mason Mount made three apiece

Alongside his impressive passing figures, Jorginho was also our top tackler, winning four challenges.

And people still don't think Jorginho is important to this team... 

On 15/09/2019 at 06:28, icecoolguy22 said:

Go on then, what are the amount of key passes/dribbling/assists/goals he had in that game and the other 40+ he had before. Since you are so convinced this guy got all around game apart from the passing accuracy, do educate me. The point was even against teams coming up, he couldn't stamp his authority on his game, and there are another 30+ games just like that for you to convince me ( or yourself) otherwise. He's been an 6/10 player for us for about a year, and asking for a better performance once a year is asking too much, fo figure.

Yes, he was in the winning team yesterday, so google his stats for me if you think he had another great game.

 

You were the one claiming Kovacic loses the upper hand in midfield against low tier opposition and I asked you to provide an example so the rest of us knows what you are talking about. How about you do that instead of trying to change the subject for the second time by now?

Edited September 17, 20196 yr by Vagabond

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We had a 54.7 per cent share of possession. Jorginho spent the most time on the ball (6.7 per cent)

Unsurprisingly, then, they also led the way when it came to passes attempted and completed. Jorginho was successful with 62 of his 70 passes

When it came to key passes, Jorginho and Mason Mount made three apiece

Alongside his impressive passing figures, Jorginho was also our top tackler, winning four challenges.

And people still don't think Jorginho is important to this team... 

Jorginho is w**k mate. Strutting around being good when all we Chelsea fans seemingly want is to be a pile of sh*te for some inexplicable reason. What a prick he is!

Maybe it's time to stop talking about Kova as if he's still on loan here and nobody knows how much he can bring to the team...

Also no need to talk bad about Jorghy here, cause if that starts to be a trend soon enough I'll start talking trash about all midfielders in Mason Mount's thread ( he's taking over beware ) xD Just kiddings 

23 hours ago, Vagabond said:

You were the one claiming Kovacic loses the upper hand in midfield against low tier opposition and I asked you to provide an example so the rest of us knows what you are talking about. How about you do that instead of trying to change the subject for the second time by now?

You just provided the example, only favorable stat you got so far was the 93% pass rate ( which I respect but let's keep that into perspective, considering what little else he was able to do). You could deep dive into the other 40+ games he had, outcome would be very similar. Kovacic doesn't give his loyal supports much to work with. He's not a disaster, just bang average so far, even against teams moving up.

@icecoolguy22 It's not about you respecting a pass rate, but the fact that it implies a player having control of a game or at least not being the reason for losing it.

On 19/09/2019 at 00:44, Vagabond said:

@icecoolguy22 It's not about you respecting a pass rate, but the fact that it implies a player having control of a game or at least not being the reason for losing it.

Passing percentage by itself doesn't imply much impact on the game, we have all seen the kind of side way short passing in own half under no pressure. If he did have a good game, you'd have found some stats to back up  that claim by now.

I actually think Kovacic looks better when Kante isn't playing as he comes forward more.

This weekend against Liverpool I expect we will see our midfield severely tested.

On 20/09/2019 at 13:04, icecoolguy22 said:

Passing percentage by itself doesn't imply much impact on the game, we have all seen the kind of side way short passing in own half under no pressure. If he did have a good game, you'd have found some stats to back up  that claim by now.

Ok, even though you pivoted from your original argument, I'll indulge you.. but is probably my last reply to you; Kovacic actually has a decent percentage of forward passes, if my memory doesn't betray me. If you read the last page in this topic you could read that he provided the game winning assist against Sheffield and if you watched the last CL game you would've seen a crazy pass that Willian sadly couldn't capitalize on and a few nice attacks that he created as well.

But there is really no point in finding stats for people that only care for arguments fitting their own confirmation bias.