So far I believe it is:

 

Cesc Fabregas 

Gary Cahill

Oliver Giroud

David Luiz

Willy Caballero 

Lucas Piazon

Robert Green

 

Any I am missing?

 

Think we should not renew these deals. Squad needs revolution imo not just evolution.

Edited December 23, 20187 yr by axman2526

David Luiz has rejected a contract offer apparantly. The Times reported that today.
He's free to negotiate with other clubs in a week now.

 

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

David Luiz has rejected a contract offer apparantly. The Times reported that today.
He's free to negotiate with other clubs in a week now.

 

One of our few leaders, but we need to put down long term roots to build a sarri team that can win things. I dont think he is part of that personally.

Just now, axman2526 said:

One of our few leaders, but we need to put down long term roots to build a sarri team that can win things. I dont think he is part of that personally.

I just fear we are going to replace him with some underwhelming signing. If we lose him for free i doubt the club will want to spend tons of money on his replacement.

We are masters of doing that. Zappacosta, drinkwater, morata, giroud etc

One specific contract that runs out in 2020 is all I care about 

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

We are masters of doing that. Zappacosta, drinkwater, morata, giroud etc

Excactly and thats the fear.

We've spent obscene amount of money on complete averages.

33 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So far I believe it is:

 

Cesc Fabregas 

Gary Cahill

Oliver Giroud

David Luiz

Willy Caballero 

Lucas Piazon

Robert Green

 

Any I am missing?

 

Think we should not renew these deals. Squad needs revolution imo not just evolution.

If we want to be one of the top teams in Europe again, every one of those players needs to go IMO.

22 minutes ago, just said:

If we want to be one of the top teams in Europe again, every one of those players needs to go IMO.

Agreed, and I would add players who still have longer left on their deals like:

 

Zappacosta

Emerson

Alonso

Kovacic (I.e. dont make his loan deal permanent)

Baka

Drinkwater 

Moses

Pedro

Willian

Morata

Batman 

Edited December 23, 20187 yr by axman2526

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Any I am missing?

Feruz!! 

Some people 

Sell 11 first team and main backup players? Including both left backs, our only back-up right back and 4 out of 5 attacking players.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

I've never looked at it, is that really how Fantasy Football works?

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

Some people 

Sell 11 first team and main backup players? Including both left backs, our only back-up right back and 4 out of 5 attacking players.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

I've never looked at it, is that really how Fantasy Football works?

We've lost a game so obviously our players are all terrible, oh and the coach has no idea what he's doing, and his signings are all terrible etc.... 

13 hours ago, Sindre said:

I just fear we are going to replace him with some underwhelming signing. If we lose him for free i doubt the club will want to spend tons of money on his replacement.

I think Christensen may take his place. We also have Ampadu coming through who is a mature player. In a season I reckon Ampadu can make that first team regularly. 

13 hours ago, Sindre said:

Excactly and thats the fear.

We've spent obscene amount of money on complete averages.

The thing is, 3 of those 4 players were bought as squad players, not first team. Morata is called average now, but before we bought him many people were raving about him.

There was no telling he would be as hopeless as he's been for us. You won't find many top clubs with lots of quality off the bench. Back up players are generally average or above average. 

No club can afford to buy first team quality players for the bench. Not to mention find time to play them as much as they would like. 

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Some people 

Sell 11 first team and main backup players? Including both left backs, our only back-up right back and 4 out of 5 attacking players.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

I've never looked at it, is that really how Fantasy Football works?

It worked for City.

They shipped out all the player’s that was deemed not good enough and replaced them with actual quality.

Iheanacho, Bony, Nolito, Kolarov, Nasri, Joe Hart, Denayer, Navas, Zabaleta, Clichy, Caballero, Mangala and Sagna all out over a summer/January.

Same with Liverpool. Got rid of Ward, Klavan, Karius, Grujic, Flanagan, Can, Ings, Sakho, Leiva, Markovic and replaced them with top class.

So, I don’t see what’s oh so silly about axmans suggestion. Most of the players he mentioned are indeed not good enough for us.

To compete with the best teams we surely need to show real ambition and compete with the best teams in the market.

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Sell 11 first? team and mai?n backup p?layer?s???

While overturning 18 players in the next six months is hardly realistic, this thread got me thinking, how many of the current squad will be on the roster to open the 2020/21 season in roughly 18 months?

Azpi

Rudiger

Loftus-Cheek

Jorginho

Ampadu

christensen

hudson-odoi 

Kepa

Barkley

Kante

even some of those would require an investment of time/opportunity in the very near future, mainly Hudson-Odoi 

compared to the starting XI now, we may only run Kepa, Azpi, Rudiger, Jorginho Kante out there in 18 months. 

One way or another, I can see a lot of turnover headed our way over the next 4 windows heading into the 20/21 season. 

if this thread was created with the purpose of proving that most of our recent buys has been crap then i say: Mission Accomplished!

1 hour ago, enigma said:

The thing is, 3 of those 4 players were bought as squad players, not first team. Morata is called average now, but before we bought him many people were raving about him.

There was no telling he would be as hopeless as he's been for us. You won't find many top clubs with lots of quality off the bench. Back up players are generally average or above average. 

No club can afford to buy first team quality players for the bench. Not to mention find time to play them as much as they would like. 

That is were the mistake was made. Why would you buy players who are worse than the players they are supposed to be replacing? This attitude can only drive the overall quality of the squad downwards . For example if you think Alonso needs competition for his place you buy at least as good or better so Alonso has to fight for his place and he in turn would be the 'squad' player. Always buy for the first team or at the very least young players whose ceiling is seen as improving the first team. 

6 minutes ago, charierre said:

That is were the mistake was made. Why would you buy players who are worse than the players they are supposed to be replacing? This attitude can only drive the overall quality of the squad downwards . For example if you think Alonso needs competition for his place you buy at least as good or better so Alonso has to fight for his place and he in turn would be the 'squad' player. Always buy for the first team or at the very least young players whose ceiling is seen as improving the first team. 

That's a noble idea but unfortunately it doesn't always work that way in reality. Emerson was very good at Roma before he got injured so there was every reason to believe he's as good, if not a better full back than someone like Alonso. In fact, apart from Alonso's set piece taking, he may very well be. Plus, unless you buy a proven world class star (and those are rarely available and when they do they have a long line of suitors and a huge price tag) you always take a risk on pretty much any transfer target out there. If we had a shot at signing Marcelo or Alaba and went for Emerson instead, then I'd agree it was an odd move.

My concern is more along the lines of who was doing the scouting for some of our recent buys. I thought Bakayoko was sh*t long before we signed him. Had no idea about Zappacosta's existence, but the fact that he doesn't belong at that level should have been obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. And the list continues.

4 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Some people 

Sell 11 first team and main backup players? Including both left backs, our only back-up right back and 4 out of 5 attacking players.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

I've never looked at it, is that really how Fantasy Football works?

Well it worked on FM19 and FIFA 19 for me so it'll clearly work in real life

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

That's a noble idea but unfortunately it doesn't always work that way in reality. Emerson was very good at Roma before he got injured so there was every reason to believe he's as good, if not a better full back than someone like Alonso. In fact, apart from Alonso's set piece taking, he may very well be. Plus, unless you buy a proven world class star (and those are rarely available and when they do they have a long line of suitors and a huge price tag) you always take a risk on pretty much any transfer target out there. If we had a shot at signing Marcelo or Alaba and went for Emerson instead, then I'd agree it was an odd move.

My concern is more along the lines of who was doing the scouting for some of our recent buys. I thought Bakayoko was sh*t long before we signed him. Had no idea about Zappacosta's existence, but the fact that he doesn't belong at that level should have been obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. And the list continues.

I honestly don't see the player everyone is seeing in Emerson but that's another matter. My point is to create competition for places the players have to be up to the job. You don't buy squad players or that is a downward spiral, those are generally within the club at youth team level. You are correct in the view of who is packing the players.

I can just imagine the conversation Conte had with the board.

'I want 200m to spend on new players' 

'How is this going to improve the team Antonio?'

'It won't improve it one bit they are all worse than the players we already have Marina'

'Ok you can have the money'

 

It beggars belief how much money we have wasted in the past few years on players who would have struggled to make the early 90s team.

6 minutes ago, charierre said:

I honestly don't see the player everyone is seeing in Emerson but that's another matter. My point is to create competition for places the players have to be up to the job. You don't buy squad players or that is a downward spiral, those are generally within the club at youth team level. You are correct in the view of who is packing the players.

I can just imagine the conversation Conte had with the board.

'I want 200m to spend on new players' 

'How is this going to improve the team Antonio?'

'It won't improve it one bit they are all worse than the players we already have Marina'

'Ok you can have the money'

 

It beggars belief how much money we have wasted in the past few years on players who would have struggled to make the early 90s team.

If we had actually built on Conte's title winning side with the likes of Van Dijk, Sandro and so on instead of wasting it the way we did we'd be the best team in the league now i'd argue.

Instead we wanted to "save" money and now that has cost us an incredible amount of money. Not only on fee's spent for averages but also missing out on CL.

Its a massive, massive shame. We really had the chance to establish ourselves as the top dog in this league and the club completely squandered it.

Edited December 24, 20187 yr by Sindre

1 hour ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

Well it worked on FM19 and FIFA 19 for me so it'll clearly work in real life?

But I pour in about 40 goals a season with Morata, so I don't think we can count on FIFA....

13 minutes ago, charierre said:

You don't buy squad players or that is a downward spiral,

Here's the thing, and let's get back to Scouting... they weren't brought in to be squad players.

Zappacosta was to compete with Moses at RWB. 
Emerson was a discount buy, to compete at LWB...  because he was coming off of an injury.

Unfortunately, nearly that entire window was coming off of an injury, bought at a discount with business in mind... Bakayoko, Rudiger, Barkley, Emerson.. all of those players were coming off of serious injuries. Drinkwater arrived hurt as well. It was crazy.

I don't think any of them were bought with the idea that they would be riding the pine. Each of them believed they'd be playing 1st team. This cartoon kind of reminds me of the transfer business that year... lol...

5 hours ago, dkw said:

We've lost a game so obviously our players are all terrible, oh and the coach has no idea what he's doing, and his signings are all terrible etc.... 

HIS signings are all terrible? Pretty sure I have said elsewhere on here Kepa and Jorginho have been doing pretty darn good. Sarri did not sign Morata or Zappacosta. Only one he "signed" or rather loaned is Kovacic and it is not that he is a bad player, it is a choice between him and Kante for me unless we look at Kovacic to compete with Kante. Our midfield offers no goals with them paired with jorginho. This is about building a Sarri squad he can trust to play his football. We need to go all in on Sarri or he will fail.

 

6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Some people 

Sell 11 first team and main backup players? Including both left backs, our only back-up right back and 4 out of 5 attacking players.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

I've never looked at it, is that really how Fantasy Football works?

Ah hello yorkley,  please dont cry fella it is just football and it is Christmas time. Be happy :)

Seriously though you think we should keep all those players? Which ones have shown they are good enough as long term prospects?

If Sarri is to succeed he needs HIS type of players for his system. Other than Luiz, Cesc and Pedro I dont see any of those listed playing the Sarri way and all 3 of those are the wrong side of 30 so get 1 year deals from us or longer term offers at other clubs. Luiz already turned down a 1 year new deal  So can we count on them for the long term if we are truly to support building a Sarri team and squad? There is Kovacic we could try and keep if Real are willing but is he worth what it would cost or would investment be better used in other areas?