4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm just wondering because this is genuinely all on him. When exactly will Clearlake prevent him in making such crucial decisions whilst ignoring the football brains now at the club? 

I suspect questions were being asked before Potter was sacked so right about now they are probably looking at selling The Bridge to keep the banks happy.

Absolute shambles.

25 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm just wondering because this is genuinely all on him. When exactly will Clearlake prevent him in making such crucial decisions whilst ignoring the football brains now at the club? 

Rich people hate getting embarrassed and worst losing money so I am sure tense meetings have been happening since this sh*t show started. It will be interesting to see if Todd shows up again for a match as fans have turned against him.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Werner was not underrated. His work rate was always good, but he could barely control a ball, missed sitters for fun and could never stay onside. Just because we are sh*t now, it doesn't mean Werner shouldn't have been sold, same for Jorginho. It's Rudiger leaving that hurt us the most.

A beast in Tuchels system, he opened the play and had over 20-30 G/A if I recall. Yes he missed sitters but atleast he was in the positions in the first place. He won us many penalties and was good at pressing from the front and launching counterattacks with his pace. Yes he had his downsides but now we gotta watch this crap why not sell pulisic or ziyech instead 

6 minutes ago, Conte said:

A beast in Tuchels system, he opened the play and had over 20-30 G/A if I recall. Yes he missed sitters but atleast he was in the positions in the first place. He won us many penalties and was good at pressing from the front and launching counterattacks with his pace. Yes he had his downsides but now we gotta watch this crap why not sell pulisic or ziyech instead 

He wasn't a beast, he was massively frustrating in almost every game he played. He never looked natural out wide. His first season had a decent number of assists, but his goal tally was terrible. He was supposed to be our 30+ goals a season striker, but we forced him out wide because he was so wasteful for us as a striker.

I wish we still had Werner, awful finisher but does create lots of opportunities with his movement and final pass. Now we got guys who can't score, can't dribble, can't pass, and can't even run fast. Maybe his natural position was inside forward, we couldn't even find a decent player for that this season.

As Chelsea fans we have been very lucky.

If Roman hadn't existed ,  Ken Bates would have remained Chairman , shuffling his  Euro bond loans.  We would have been happy with decent football and delighted with a cup trophy.

Would the fans of the last 20 years have decided to support Chelsea if we were the Bates owned club ? I wonder sometimes.

The last 20 years are so unlike Chelsea and our past  that we should count ourselves lucky really..

So, a bit of a reality check , supporting a football club involves sticking thru the bad times , not knowing if they are going to get better , but hoping that it will. .

It's not a happy time, but for most of our history it's normal, we've had a 20 year unexpected miracle , but we are in a far far better place than.in our not too distant past .

Chin up folks !

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, El regreso said:

I am absolutely sure they are sh*tting their pant’s right now seeing how f**ked they are literally burning money because of arrogance!!

Good . Clearlake only came on board right on deadline.

Fancy trying to make money out of a club who had a £1.5 billion debt after 20 successful years !

They've got money to burn , f**k em

 

 

2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

As Chelsea fans we have been very lucky.

If Roman hadn't existed ,  Ken Bates would have remained Chairman , shuffling his  Euro bond loans.  We would have been happy with decent football and delighted with a cup trophy.

Would the fans of the last 20 years have decided to support Chelsea if we were the Bates owned club ? I wonder sometimes.

The last 20 years are so unlike Chelsea and our past  that we should count ourselves lucky really..

So, a bit of a reality check , supporting a football club involves sticking thru the bad times , not knowing if they are going to get better , but hoping that it will. .

It's not a happy time, but for most of our history it's normal, we've had a 20 year unexpected miracle , but we are in a far far better place than.in our not too distant past .

Chin up folks !

 

 

 

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Perhaps it will go full circle and Ken Bates will rescue us from Clearlake by buying us for a quid in a few years ;).

 

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Perhaps it will go full circle and Ken Bates will rescue us from Clearlake by buying us for a quid in a few years ;).

 

He can build a new stadium with electric fences!

You can see there is a massive trust-issue between players and the owners. Silva and Havertz have voiced out their opinions pretty bluntly already. Mount is still without a new contract. 

If there is a lack of trust you cannot perform in situation where there is absolutely no motivation from anywhere. 

Boehly and co stepped into some mines and here we are. I still wonder if they think they know better. As it seems they know very little.

It is very hard to blame Frank and the players. The club is in a mess.

I think we will accumulate 2-4 points this season if we are lucky. 

9 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I wish we still had Werner, awful finisher but does create lots of opportunities with his movement and final pass. Now we got guys who can't score, can't dribble, can't pass, and can't even run fast. Maybe his natural position was inside forward, we couldn't even find a decent player for that this season.

We are so bad now that some fans like you (I mean that with no disrespect) think Werner was great for us. He was almost awful. Worked his socks off yes and created some space and chances but we were still a team that struggled to score. That's why we got rid of Tammy and signed Lukaku for 100m. People still make excuses for Havertz saying we are playing him incorrectly. The real answer is that these Germans are just not good enough or to put it kindly, not suited for Chelsea in the Premier League.

German efficiency and winning is now dead. 

8 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

As Chelsea fans we have been very lucky.

If Roman hadn't existed ,  Ken Bates would have remained Chairman , shuffling his  Euro bond loans.  We would have been happy with decent football and delighted with a cup trophy.

Would the fans of the last 20 years have decided to support Chelsea if we were the Bates owned club ? I wonder sometimes.

The last 20 years are so unlike Chelsea and our past  that we should count ourselves lucky really..

So, a bit of a reality check , supporting a football club involves sticking thru the bad times , not knowing if they are going to get better , but hoping that it will. .

It's not a happy time, but for most of our history it's normal, we've had a 20 year unexpected miracle , but we are in a far far better place than.in our not too distant past .

Chin up folks !

 

 

 

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This club can rise again with the ownership making the right decisions. Forget City but the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool and now even Newcastle have managed to challenge at the top without splashing money. It's all about smart recruitment in all areas. Hopefully Todd will change it up and realise the mistakes that were made.

22 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

We are so bad now that some fans like you (I mean that with no disrespect) think Werner was great for us. He was almost awful. Worked his socks off yes and created some space and chances but we were still a team that struggled to score. That's why we got rid of Tammy and signed Lukaku for 100m. People still make excuses for Havertz saying we are playing him incorrectly. The real answer is that these Germans are just not good enough or to put it kindly, not suited for Chelsea in the Premier League.

German efficiency and winning is now dead. 

Yes, awful by standard of challenging the league. For what are we achieving this season, he'd be a huge improvement. The standard has dropped so much, even a Willian ( whom we happily shipped off 2 seasons ago) would be a better player in this team.

32 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

This club can rise again with the ownership making the right decisions.

Can we be confident that they will? I doubt anyone is.

One thing i'll say is that Pochettino's got a set of brass balls on him if he takes on this task. Personally I think he will back out but even if he somehow takes the job I think he's doomed for a variety of reasons. First of all we got another summer of complete chaos on the cards, the players have lost all their faith in the ownership and the future of this club and whoever takes over will have 40 first teamers to deal with when he rocks up to his first training session.

I also don't think Pochettino is who the idiot americans actually want. He wants ultimate power and he's apparently already told them that they will under no circumstances have access to the dressing room and like Tuchel I can't imagine he wants to waste time on staying in touch with some complete imbeciles either. Maybe they would still hire him out of pure desperation but if it does happen it's literally a recipe for falling out and disaster so Pochettino wouldn't last either and we'd be even more screwed.

 

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7 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Yes, awful by standard of challenging the league. For what are we achieving this season, he'd be a huge improvement. The standard has dropped so much, even a Willian ( whom we happily shipped off 2 seasons ago) would be a better player in this team.

I don't think Willian or Werner would make a difference. The manager is terrible. No style or philosophy. The team has zero chemistry and part of that is down to the size of the squad. Rather than having a first 11 and a clear second 11. We have a group of over 20 players of the same calibre so there is absolutely no cohesion to unlock more potentional to improve. It's awful.

 

When Tuchel was sacked I was a little surprised, but by no means very surprised as our form at the time wasn't great. There were rumours a few weeks back about the players having had a bad pre-season. That was obvious given the battering by Arsenal we sustained in that pre-season frienldy game. Then Lampard was talking about the players fitness levels. There's obviously something in all this, why are the players fitness levels so poor? Why did the pre-season go badly, apparently? We had Tuchel during pre-season so why wasn't he able to resolve the issues?

I don't know we'll ever truly know, but something wasn't right at the beginning of the season coming out of preseason, that has just continued throughout the season. Then the manager change on top of this, the ownership change too, it's obviously affected the players negatively for whatever reason. The players still should be showing more than they have been on the pitch with some players dropping their heads and not showing confidence. 

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First thing he needs to do is admit he is a Fool in this game and relinquish all decisions to people that know what they are doing. 

Sit back and wait for your investment to start paying you a cheque. 

Until then stay clear with your foolishness. 

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

He wasn't a beast, he was massively frustrating in almost every game he played. He never looked natural out wide. His first season had a decent number of assists, but his goal tally was terrible. He was supposed to be our 30+ goals a season striker, but we forced him out wide because he was so wasteful for us as a striker.

Watch the run for the champions league...werner was the reason we stretched defences time and time again his positioning and pace had defenders worried. Now look we have lol massive downgrade from last season. We barely get 30 goals in a full season now what did we get when werner was here? 

 

Individually I agree not the best but collectively do you really think the other players would be as good if he didn't do the legwork? Would havertz be through on goal without his run? 

I agree though a clinical werner would have been a joy to watch its a shame he fluffed so many shots especially the open nets 😂 the chelsea curse continues

30 minutes ago, enigma said:

When Tuchel was sacked I was a little surprised, but by no means very surprised as our form at the time wasn't great. There were rumours a few weeks back about the players having had a bad pre-season. That was obvious given the battering by Arsenal we sustained in that pre-season frienldy game. Then Lampard was talking about the players fitness levels. There's obviously something in all this, why are the players fitness levels so poor? Why did the pre-season go badly, apparently? We had Tuchel during pre-season so why wasn't he able to resolve the issues?

I don't know we'll ever truly know, but something wasn't right at the beginning of the season coming out of preseason, that has just continued throughout the season. Then the manager change on top of this, the ownership change too, it's obviously affected the players negatively for whatever reason. The players still should be showing more than they have been on the pitch with some players dropping their heads and not showing confidence. 

Its a blame game, I dont believe its the fitness levels. Tuchel had them running like crazy throughout the last season and we was dominating with our pressing game. What happened was we downgraded our team with KK and sterling getting rid of rudiger and werner/mounts influence. We bought overhyped players like cucu when we needed a striker. Whos idea was it to spend 600M and no striker/cdm? 

Then the issue of getting rid of backroom staff is another thing that must have been a change for the players. 

Additionally we went from a world class tactician who dominated europes best RL and MC to a manager who achieved 6 with a brighton team that imo is playing even better now with de zerbi. 

Would we be 12th with Tuchel? No chance. His 10 points has saved us. If we dont fix this we will be done for next season. Players dont want to be here and having an inflated squad is also a big problem

22 minutes ago, enigma said:

When Tuchel was sacked I was a little surprised, but by no means very surprised as our form at the time wasn't great. There were rumours a few weeks back about the players having had a bad pre-season. That was obvious given the battering by Arsenal we sustained in that pre-season frienldy game. Then Lampard was talking about the players fitness levels. There's obviously something in all this, why are the players fitness levels so poor? Why did the pre-season go badly, apparently? We had Tuchel during pre-season so why wasn't he able to resolve the issues?

I don't know we'll ever truly know, but something wasn't right at the beginning of the season coming out of preseason, that has just continued throughout the season. Then the manager change on top of this, the ownership change too, it's obviously affected the players negatively for whatever reason. The players still should be showing more than they have been on the pitch with some players dropping their heads and not showing confidence. 

First major mistake by Boehly was to keep Tuchel and provide him with the junk he wanted.

Tuchel is a winner, not a builder. If you want to build something there is no point in keeping Tuchel around. He left Borussia Dortmund with a lot of old junk, most of whom he had brought to the club, on their hands, while giving nearly zero game time to top class talents like Mikel Merino and Alexander Isak.

Did the same in PSG: all fine at first, then decided to bring in players who were either washed up (Buffon, Ander Herrera, Idrissa Gueye etc.) or had sh*t attitude (Moise Kean, Mauro Icardi etc.).. and eventually that was his downfall.

Chelsea: great things at first, then bringing in players at/past their "peak" while letting younger players go. The only manager not to give any teenager a single minute in the PL last season, despite Chelsea having one of the best academies in the world.

Bloke is not a team builder but Todd Boehly allegedly wanted to build a team. Solution - bring in someone who is indeed a team builder (Potter was a good choice but there's obvious more ones). But you don't do that six games into a season or midway through it or whatever, you need to do that in pre-season where the manager can do team building, training and so forth without the pressure of playing a game every third day.

Boehly didn't want to sack Tuchel because he knew that Tuchel was popular among your fans. It wasn't a strategical decision. It wasn't a sport decision. It was a PR decision to keep him despite the club entering a phase where something else was needed.

We are clearly hitting some sort of rock bottom and in some ways it is positive (as opposed to declining year by year). My concern is how long does it take to repair what is broken and whether we have lost something that we can't get back. 

The players can't recognize the club anymore and from the outside old players are voicing the same thing. The Chelsea that was under Roman is not there anymore. There is something new and it is not very positive atm. 

Looking at MU, Tottenham and Arsenal you can see how hard it is to succeed in this climate. We have all the resources to do so but so does MU and they have struggled heavily under American ownership. Not commercially but sporting wise.

The owners have changed everything very quickly and that has not gone down well with the team. Massive squad, new personnel and new directors. Nothing works. First they kicked out TT, then Pots and now Frank is struggling to get the team behind him. 

New players are in with massive deals and no one knows who is part of the core, who is leaving, who is staying, who is our manager, how are we going to change next season and so on. 

A complete mess. 

The positive is, we can only improve. 

14 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I really hope someone digs into who decided on Lampard as interim. 

 

This is what I'd like to know. Boehly & Co aren't steeped enough to know Lampard's status as a Chelsea (playing) hero. Has to be one or other of the myriad Directors of Football. D*cks.

9 hours ago, forbzy said:

Perhaps it will go full circle and Ken Bates will rescue us from Clearlake by buying us for a quid in a few years ;).

 

We'll be worth only a quid the way things are going!

That cfcuk bloke will be; outside holding a contract for the club in his hands shouting _ " 'urry up only a paand" !

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1 hour ago, evissy said:

We are clearly hitting some sort of rock bottom and in some ways it is positive (as opposed to declining year by year). My concern is how long does it take to repair what is broken and whether we have lost something that we can't get back. 

The players can't recognize the club anymore and from the outside old players are voicing the same thing. The Chelsea that was under Roman is not there anymore. There is something new and it is not very positive atm. 

Looking at MU, Tottenham and Arsenal you can see how hard it is to succeed in this climate. We have all the resources to do so but so does MU and they have struggled heavily under American ownership. Not commercially but sporting wise.

The owners have changed everything very quickly and that has not gone down well with the team. Massive squad, new personnel and new directors. Nothing works. First they kicked out TT, then Pots and now Frank is struggling to get the team behind him. 

New players are in with massive deals and no one knows who is part of the core, who is leaving, who is staying, who is our manager, how are we going to change next season and so on. 

A complete mess. 

The positive is, we can only improve. 

The thing is , there was nothing much wrong at the club when Todd took control, small adjustments here and there maybe , but my God look what he's done !

I hear that Ronaldo wants to leave that Saudi club he's at. Shame we never went in for him. People scoffed at the idea when it was mentioned, but his presence in the dressing room/at the training ground would have been beneficial I believe. Motivating young players and helping improve those around him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course, but I was surprised so many didn't take to the idea and preferred us to keep Auba etc.