4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

When you think about it, that was the appointment Potter should have had all along really ... it would have been right up his street. 

Just training players in the club system, team ballet lessons, etc etc, with results and scoring of goals of secondary importance ... pretty much Potters DNA !

He would do well there I think, and it would give him a nice foundation to rebuild from.

Boehly, Eghbali & Co cant be happy. A few years on and things are much worse than probably any point in Premier League history for their Club/ business.

Their strategy and vision isnt showing signs of success or even an indication of improvement. 

Theyve reached a self inflicted pressure point now with FFP looming. The mathematics will cause their strategy to change somewhat.

They have several matters for consideration.

They cant sell the club for 8 years or so.

They cant buy players at anywhere near the rate at which they have in the last couple of years.

They have probably sussed that they cant sell or swap ( like in the USA) players who are duds, underperforming, or underdeveloped without taking an even greater financial hit.

They will know that they have goofed in footballing terms, big time.

Financially ( which is more important to them)

They somehow need to generate more, sorry much more, income  to give them a chance to get out of this mess or in 8 years time they will have failed miserably for the good people of Clearlake, - ive seen better scams than this 😂.

Im expecting radical and relatively extreme methods any time soon. The American dream seems likely to move to a new level.

The one ray of light for me is that the Premier League is in a poor state in footballing terms just now. Manchester United Newcastle and our good selves should all be in the relegation zone in my parallel universe such is their poor performances v spend but hey ho we are struggling to get below mid table. 

Looking forward to one day qualifying for the Europa Conference League, a trophy that Boehly & Eghbali would be able to tout as one that we have never won before. Just imagine the scenes when those two are photographed holding the Conference Cup aloft. 

Marvellous stuff, thanks Todd.

 

4 hours ago, OneTommyLangley said:

Boehly, Eghbali & Co cant be happy. A few years on and things are much worse than probably any point in Premier League history for their Club/ business.

Their strategy and vision isnt showing signs of success or even an indication of improvement. 

Theyve reached a self inflicted pressure point now with FFP looming. The mathematics will cause their strategy to change somewhat.

They have several matters for consideration.

They cant sell the club for 8 years or so.

They cant buy players at anywhere near the rate at which they have in the last couple of years.

They have probably sussed that they cant sell or swap ( like in the USA) players who are duds, underperforming, or underdeveloped without taking an even greater financial hit.

They will know that they have goofed in footballing terms, big time.

Financially ( which is more important to them)

They somehow need to generate more, sorry much more, income  to give them a chance to get out of this mess or in 8 years time they will have failed miserably for the good people of Clearlake, - ive seen better scams than this 😂.

Im expecting radical and relatively extreme methods any time soon. The American dream seems likely to move to a new level.

The one ray of light for me is that the Premier League is in a poor state in footballing terms just now. Manchester United Newcastle and our good selves should all be in the relegation zone in my parallel universe such is their poor performances v spend but hey ho we are struggling to get below mid table. 

Looking forward to one day qualifying for the Europa Conference League, a trophy that Boehly & Eghbali would be able to tout as one that we have never won before. Just imagine the scenes when those two are photographed holding the Conference Cup aloft. 

Marvellous stuff, thanks Todd.

 

Unfortunately their collective assets are so huge, they can afford to take a hit if the Chelsea Project fails. Good intentions, thus far piss poor delivery. 

1 minute ago, Timmy Elms said:

Unfortunately their collective assets are so huge, they can afford to take a hit if the Chelsea Project fails. Good intentions, thus far piss poor delivery. 

I think the bold part is very true and mostly uncommented and overlooked.

Looking at what went on with the LA Dodgers baseball franchise that two of our joint owners (Boehly and Mark Walter) are involved in, they did throw money and new players at it until it worked, so if the precedent holds then I imagine BlueCo will continue to do that with us. The spanner in the works is the FFP targets. Without those I'm sure they would have spent another £200m in January - as you say, they have access to the money ... 

Buckle up and try and enjoy the ride I guess ... the next decade isn't going to be boring for sure !

Agree piss poor delivery to date ... on the field anyway ... 

21 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think the bold part is very true and mostly uncommented and overlooked.

Looking at what went on with the LA Dodgers baseball franchise that two of our joint owners (Boehly and Mark Walter) are involved in, they did throw money and new players at it until it worked, so if the precedent holds then I imagine BlueCo will continue to do that with us. The spanner in the works is the FFP targets. Without those I'm sure they would have spent another £200m in January - as you say, they have access to the money ... 

Buckle up and try and enjoy the ride I guess ... the next decade isn't going to be boring for sure !

Agree piss poor delivery to date ... on the field anyway ... 

Merely a spoke in the wheel of the Clearlake empire. 

Kind of explains the continued press speculation over Gallagher.

If we do need to raise more cash it could be painful there will be players the market is prepared to pay for, Palmer, Colwill and Gusto and those we would probably prefer to move on.

Currently I could see Sterling going for cut price and possibly Sanchez.

A question with players like James and Wesley Fofana are their salaries covered by insurance  by the club or are they still costing the club?

Whilst Clearlake have the financial muscle to survive a "project failure" surely their stance wont be to watch it crumble until 2033. Wealthy ,successful people dont do that.

The sale of our valuable players Gallagher Colwill Palmer James etc will only fund a couple of transfer windows and given our recent activities they may start to doubt if they can bring players in that will make a difference- and by make a difference i mean be better than these better players, there is no point in selling good players to bring in more average players at any price, unless we are already in the FFP trap . Likewise with the manager, whatever Tuchel was or did ( and I for one liked him ) Potter and Poch have not made a difference.

What value could naming rights on the stadium raise over a say 8 year term ...100 million ?

What other marketing moves could raise serious funds, building a higher capacity stadium ? not an instant boost though.

Like its been said good intentions but poor decision making/strategy. Stubborness holding onto this strategy will set us back a long way.

My own view is this squad should be able to do much much better, especially with a couple or three (non strategic) older experienced players and if Poch hasnt turned the corner by the end of the season - a new manager of better calibre than Potter and Poch. The former was truly dreadful.  

If we are truly trapped with FFP i would rather see us sell the quality players and make do with juniors rather than waste money on duds.

 

Edited February 28, 20242 yr by OneTommyLangley

29 minutes ago, OneTommyLangley said:

Whilst Clearlake have the financial muscle to survive a "project failure" surely their stance wont be to watch it crumble until 2033. Wealthy ,successful people dont do that.

The sale of our valuable players Gallagher Colwill Palmer James etc will only fund a couple of transfer windows and given our recent activities they may start to doubt if they can bring players in that will make a difference. Likewise with the manager, whatever Tuchel was or did ( and I for one liked him ) Potter and Poch have not made a difference.

What value could naming rights on the stadium raise over a say 8 year term ...100 million ?

What other marketing moves could raise serious funds, building a higher capacity stadium ? not an instant boost though.

Like its been said good intentions but poor decision making/strategy. Stubborness holding onto this strategy will set us back a long way.

My own view is this squad should be able to do much much better, especially with a couple or three (non strategic) older experienced players and if Poch hasnt turned the corner by the end of the season - a new manager of better calibre of Potter and Poch. The former was truly dreadful.  

 

It really is the only thing to hold onto given the current mess we are in. 

I can't comprehend in my head how they can't have to find a way to return us to the top, at least just in time to sell us after 10 years. They ultimately answer to their investors and, no matter how much the overal value of football teams increases in that time, they wont return anything but a massive loss if we are a mid table club in financial dissarray with an old stadium in 8 years time. 

The project they are pushing now has fans patience running thin, they probably don't care much for that really. However, their investors will start to care soon, which could see a shift in philosphy and hopefully some smarter decisions being made higher up. We've got to be one of their worst preforming investments right now, with very rich and powerful people watching their money dissapear. 

Even if we don't represent a signficiant part of their portfolio, the rich get rich because they don't accept failure. Even if we were talking thousands and not billions, its a suggestion of incompentance that Clearlake will want rectified.

Boehly and Eghbali didn't get to where they are without understanding business. You don't have to be a subject specialist to run the business correctly, you just have to know how to put the right people in the right place. Sadly, I think they banked on having Marina and Petr to stay and carry on working until they could get their own guys in, which when they didnt, meant they played Sporting Directors whilst they looked for their own and caused some serious damage. When the new guys came in, sure some more mistakes have been made, but we've been left playing catch up and trying to patch issues ever since.

I really believe they'll get it right eventually, but i'm worried about the damage that gets done along the way.

Edited February 28, 20242 yr by Niall1905

https://trainingground.guru/articles/chelsea-hire-eastwood-to-lead-identity-project

 

This is great. Yeah, this is just what we need.  They will teach us what it means to be Chelsea and define our identity and history.

This kiwi lad is a "creative" and he has worked with major teams in a number of sports, including Gareth Southgate’s England. So maybe Poch will start wearing a waistcoat soon? Or build the Poch style around a large cravat? Bow tie? Maybe, some fancy slip on shoes with little diamonds?

Can we all look at the vision board now please.

the modern day chelsea headhunters

Cheerleaders. We must have cheerleaders. But they will channel Chopper Harris and David Webb and they will be cheerleaders in sheepskin coats.

stamford the lion will be like the big bad wolf and he will be giving out 'chelsea smiles' to the kids in the away end . . .embrace the legacy

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/chelsea-hire-eastwood-to-lead-identity-project

 

 

 

This is great. Yeah, this is just what we need.  They will teach us what it means to be Chelsea and define our identity and history.

This kiwi lad is a "creative" and he has worked with major teams in a number of sports, including Gareth Southgate’s England. So maybe Poch will start wearing a waistcoat soon? Or build the Poch style around a large cravat? Bow tie? Maybe, some fancy slip on shoes with little diamonds?

Can we all look at the vision board now please.

the modern day chelsea headhunters

Cheerleaders. We must have cheerleaders. But they will channel Chopper Harris and David Webb and they will be cheerleaders in sheepskin coats.

stamford the lion will be like the big bad wolf and he will be giving out 'chelsea smiles' to the kids in the away end . . .embrace the legacy

 

 

 

 

 

Think thats a bit harsh. 

If the bloke has managed to help in any way to get England teams turning up at Major Tournaments then he can't do much damage surely. I'd probably say the only thing I would give Southgate credit for with England is creating a better culture and environment. 

58 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

It really is the only thing to hold onto given the current mess we are in. 

I can't comprehend in my head how they can't have to find a way to return us to the top, at least just in time to sell us after 10 years. They ultimately answer to their investors and, no matter how much the overal value of football teams increases in that time, they wont return anything but a massive loss if we are a mid table club in financial dissarray with an old stadium in 8 years time. 

The project they are pushing now has fans patience running thin, they probably don't care much for that really. However, their investors will start to care soon, which could see a shift in philosphy and hopefully some smarter decisions being made higher up. We've got to be one of their worst preforming investments right now, with very rich and powerful people watching their money dissapear. 

Even if we don't represent a signficiant part of their portfolio, the rich get rich because they don't accept failure. Even if we were talking thousands and not billions, its a suggestion of incompentance that Clearlake will want rectified.

Boehly and Eghbali didn't get to where they are without understanding business. You don't have to be a subject specialist to run the business correctly, you just have to know how to put the right people in the right place. Sadly, I think they banked on having Marina and Petr to stay and carry on working until they could get their own guys in, which when they didnt, meant they played Sporting Directors whilst they looked for their own and caused some serious damage. When the new guys came in, sure some more mistakes have been made, but we've been left playing catch up and trying to patch issues ever since.

I really believe they'll get it right eventually, but i'm worried about the damage that gets done along the way.

Masters of the Universe. Cleverest people in the room. So intelligent that they didn’t realise you have to purchase a certain amount of players with a proven pedigree, or semblance of leadership attributes in order to succeed. 

4 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

Think thats a bit harsh. 

If the bloke has managed to help in any way to get England teams turning up at Major Tournaments then he can't do much damage surely. I'd probably say the only thing I would give Southgate credit for with England is creating a better culture and environment. 

So are you thinking a cravat for Poch? Or maybe some Gor Blimey braces?

You are right.  It should be the priority right now, I mean not much is happening on the pitch.

6 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

So are you thinking a cravat for Poch? Or maybe some Gor Blimey braces?

You are right.  It should be the priority right now, I mean not much is happening on the pitch.

Maybe full tux and top hat to show how magic he is.

Can't remember calling it a priority though.

10 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Masters of the Universe. Cleverest people in the room. So intelligent that they didn’t realise you have to purchase a certain amount of players with a proven pedigree, or semblance of leadership attributes in order to succeed. 

I mean, Einstein knew his stuff back in the day. Don't know if I'd get him to build a title winning squad though.

4 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

Maybe full tux and top hat to show how magic he is.

Can't remember calling it a priority though.

oh nice, I like it, Paul Daniels type of thing.  Poch as the "Magician" --- Who will be his Debbie McGee?

No, you never said it was a priority, I was just thinking how the club see it. 

Our owner seem to really want to turn us into a corporate cult of some kind. Meanwhile the media and the other clubs see us as a joke -  we are the ‘laughing stock’ of the league these days. Ken Bates had better PR skills.  Maybe it is time to revisit the electric fence idea?

2 hours ago, strider6004 said:

Kind of explains the continued press speculation over Gallagher.

If we do need to raise more cash it could be painful there will be players the market is prepared to pay for, Palmer, Colwill and Gusto and those we would probably prefer to move on.

Currently I could see Sterling going for cut price and possibly Sanchez.

A question with players like James and Wesley Fofana are their salaries covered by insurance  by the club or are they still costing the club?

If we move on Sterling and Sanchez it would likely be a net loss so that wouldn't help with FFP. Unless we got some silly offer from Saudi of course. The reason that academy players are getting so much attention, is that their sales amount to 100% net profit for FFP balance sheet. Hall should complete the move to Newcastle for the fee that was previously agreed. Based on his form there is a decent chance we will get a fee for Maatsen too. Depending on the accuracy of data, we may still need to raise another 50M+ by end of June. But that should also be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is based on speculation from so-called "media experts".

I was also wondering about insurance over some of these injured players. Is there such an insurance policy to cover costs if an expensive signing gets a career-ending injury? 

54 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

I mean, Einstein knew his stuff back in the day. Don't know if I'd get him to build a title winning squad though.

Not all he’s cracked up to be Einstein by all accounts. Typical head in the clouds genius. Invented The Theory of Relativity but unable to change the wiper blades on his motor

Clearlake are the bigger issue. 

Todd make errors but you can see he wanted to bring in experience to work with what TT wanted. Few kids came in.

He also has some sporting knowledge.

All Clearlake have is making money, Jose Feliciano stated that was their priority.

Its amusing to see posters justify incompetence on this thread and clinging onto garbage Clearfake have said to the media

Once again people THERE IS NO PLAN OR GRAND STRATEGY to get Chelsea FC back challenging for honors and back in UCL at work, if that's not obvious by now please never go into the field of project management ! 

9 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think the bold part is very true and mostly uncommented and overlooked.

Looking at what went on with the LA Dodgers baseball franchise that two of our joint owners (Boehly and Mark Walter) are involved in, they did throw money and new players at it until it worked, so if the precedent holds then I imagine BlueCo will continue to do that with us. The spanner in the works is the FFP targets. Without those I'm sure they would have spent another £200m in January - as you say, they have access to the money ... 

Buckle up and try and enjoy the ride I guess ... the next decade isn't going to be boring for sure !

Agree piss poor delivery to date ... on the field anyway ... 

I don't think it is overlooked that they have good intentions. It just goes without saying. You wouldn't buy a club for they amount with anything but such intentions but your strategy could be terrible for the club which is where we are at.

Business planning and continuity, as well as implementation I'll score them one, at best two out of ten.

35 minutes ago, abister1 said:

I don't think it is overlooked that they have good intentions. It just goes without saying. You wouldn't buy a club for they amount with anything but such intentions but your strategy could be terrible for the club which is where we are at.

Business planning and continuity, as well as implementation I'll score them one, at best two out of ten.

Long term planning I give them an 8/10. 

Immediate needs its a 2/10, and if it remains this low it'll directly impact the long term planning. 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Long term planning I give them an 8/10. 

Immediate needs its a 2/10, and if it remains this low it'll directly impact the long term planning. 

No doubt they have good thoughts about the long term but you get to the long term, through the short term.

If it fails before the long term is arrived at, what's the point of the long term planning.

Especially in football, the impact is massive. Seeing as we never had a fully world class squad and you offloaded all those profile of players we did have anyway, if we failed in the short term and wanted to walk back the strategy, how do you get such profile of players to the club again. 

Money may do it, it most likely won't or at prohibitive sums without much fruit yielded (see man u)

The appeal of playing for a team that wins or competes would have been destroyed or the other appeal of playing alongside class players won't be there either.

So I'll just rate them on short term for now as it's the most immediate area, the future of the club could be impacted in as soon as 2 seasons max based on the huge faux pas already made.

Edited February 28, 20242 yr by abister1

If business continuity is their thing, they really shot themselves in the foot by sacking Potter after 6 months into the 'project', and I'm not even going to mention Tuchel. It's been said many times before, they had no understanding of European football, just copy/paste the script from MLB is never going to work. Maybe in baseball a team could live with couple of bad seasons with no continental games and relegation, completely different from European football. Assume they have good intention for the club, their arrogance totally ruined the past 18 months or so, and it will take time and lots of money to get back to the top 4.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Long term planning I give them an 8/10. 

Immediate needs its a 2/10, and if it remains this low it'll directly impact the long term planning. 

How is the long term planning 8/10? 

Signing a bunch of untalented young players isn't any kind of long term planning. Nor is sacking a manager straight after a window shuts to pay £20m to hire another manager on a £60m 5 year contract who you then sack months later

Anyone club can exclusively sign 12 year olds it doesn't mean they're likely to have a super team in 15 years.