33 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Any of you watch the legends game yesterday? $6 a pop from our website and services. Free from Liverpools and their Twitter.

Did you know CFC means something different now? To us it means Chelsea Football Club, but to to BlueCo it is internally known as:

Chelsea Football Customers.

FFS

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I was referring to them exactly in my post.

Yes and Newcastle were in the bottom 4 when Eddie Howe was appointed and we were a top 4 team when our new owners bought us.

Gone in opposite directions ever since

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4 hours ago, evissy said:

These days every team struggles to balance books. This is why we need to have sellable players like our own youth. We need to create more revenue and a bigger stadium would help and doing well on the footballing side. Everything takes a ton of time.

Newcastle has the richest owners and they have only managed to build their squad with small steps. It is not the wild west it was when Roman took charge. They have masses of experience and you can see them being rewarded with a cup win. They have taken the classic route which is fine.

I think we need every avenue to create revenue such a players like Tosin who was free and could be sold for a profit.

Not getting a shirt sponsor, paying themselves absurd amounts of money, not retaining older, experienced players that can actually help with getting those good results on the pitch: these are only a few examples showing BlueCo are not looking to do well on the footballing side. They are and act on behalf of investors. They're not in it for their love of football and Chelsea FC, they're in it to get richer. Otherwise they wouldn't have started this whole thing to begin with.

8 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Not getting a shirt sponsor, paying themselves absurd amounts of money, not retaining older, experienced players that can actually help with getting those good results on the pitch: these are only a few examples showing BlueCo are not looking to do well on the footballing side. They are and act on behalf of investors. They're not in it for their love of football and Chelsea FC, they're in it to get richer. Otherwise they wouldn't have started this whole thing to begin with.

Spot on Val ! 👍

5 hours ago, evissy said:

These days every team struggles to balance books. This is why we need to have sellable players like our own youth. We need to create more revenue and a bigger stadium would help and doing well on the footballing side. Everything takes a ton of time.

Newcastle has the richest owners and they have only managed to build their squad with small steps. It is not the wild west it was when Roman took charge. They have masses of experience and you can see them being rewarded with a cup win. They have taken the classic route which is fine.

I think we need every avenue to create revenue such a players like Tosin who was free and could be sold for a profit.

Lack of revenue hasn't created the mess we are in. We broke transfer records, spent a billion and and a half and outspent probably everyone else . Spending billions on a New Stadium to eventually bring in more revenue years and years into the future won't help.

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Lack of revenue hasn't created the mess we are in.

No, the UK government and BlueCo have, but only in part.

The uncomfortable truth is, and one very few will allow themselves to see, is WE, the whole Chelsea fanbase, are at fault as well.

Much as they shout and moan about it now where was the outspoken fan, like a Johnny Minerals, when the UK government treated Roman like a criminal and denied his Visa? Not only did we do nothing to help him, someone many of us call "proper Chels", but we cost ourselves a beautiful new Stamford Bridge all because we were still competitive, still winning.

And don't give me that horsesh*t Roman stopped the stadium build due to rising costs. Same guy who wrote off 1.5bill quid AND is happy for 2.5bill of HIS money the UK government stole from him to go to victims of war, that same Roman cared about an extra 500mill or so for his "cathedral of football"? Yeah right.

Then we allowed the government to steal our club and treat us like dirt? Why? Did we feel we deserved it? What did we have to do with the War on the Ukraine? The players? Those who worked for CFC? Nothing, and, as it turns out, neither did Roman, as the EU dropping charges against him for it shows!

Yet the UK government has not followed suit. Wonder why? Maybe they have 2.5bill reasons not to eh?

What did we do to support Roman over his persecution by them? Or us and our club? Nothing. What do we do now BlueCo have done what they done? A handful of people at a protest, nothing since?

The suffering We have gone through, that is partly on us for our lack of thought, care and action for our club. If we continue to do the same then we deserve more of the same.

I know it is merely perspective and won't help anyone RIGHT NOW in our suffering of bad results but weren't we the luckiest club in the world 2003 when Roman bought us? I think we were. Roman started something that has rolled over football and contested by the footballing umbrella by rules and regulations.

Roman wasn't clean as we probably learned at the time his Putin ties were too much for governing bodies to handle.

We were lucky enough though to be in a brilliant position as a club barring the old and smallish stadium when the news broke on Roman. Just finished the cabinet with every European trophy we can win.

And Roman had the chance to review anyone who buys the club. He sanctioned our new owners to be the ones that are here now. Their plan for Roman looked sound or most of the bunch at least.

Now Blueco is the owner and they have a plan that in terms of players is a model learned from Brighton and other clubs that operate in a smart and modern way. Probably a ton is brought from America as well. They are in forefront of sports marketing and monetizing this branch of entertainment. Like it or not. Want it or not. ADD THE COMPULSORY 'WHERE IS THE FRONT SHIRT SPONSOR' HERE. 🤣

The difference to for example Brighton and us is we have Superior resources to find, lure and pay for these young would be superstars. The pressure of winning is also in a different level.

I don't disagree on the help of experience. Who am I to contradict the evidence and players like Joey Cole and Mikel who have done it and experience it. Still at least at this point the club, directors and the coach have together agreed to go on and battle the battle with youth and inexperence. Collectively they have decided that this is the way to go. They must know a lot better what is the ceiling and the aims for the club this season. They never told us. Only now did Enzo say we want the Champions league qualification as we have a chance to get there. That is mostly message to the players.

I think we need to move onto this new realm and see the positives of that. I am personally very excited about Palmer, Enzo F, Caicedo, Estevao, Paez, the new portugeezers and the potential that is there.

At this very moment I think the clubs that can achieve what we can (league table) are the likes of Aston Villa, Newcastle, Bournemouth, Nottingham Forest. We are not in the same conversation as Arsenal, Liverpool or City.

1,5bn on players..yes. that is what Neville and Carragher talk about when we lose a game. Most of the money has gone into players that realistically are top Premier League players in 2-5 years or so. We are looking at the level of potential compared to Rodri and not McTominay. They know it also but won't say it as they only look at Roman's Chelsea. Frankly they don't care so why should you on what they say.

At this very moment we have to climatize to this new reality or it will be very sad for a long time. What we can do is to take those young lads and cheer them on. We can't change the ownership.

https://x.com/JacobsBen/status/1904122845065560137?t=QnmgEjameFhyQVFfBypmdQ&s=19

🚨 Todd Boehly tells @business Chelsea’s stadium development plan is key to whether he remains at the club, but downplays an overall ownership divide.

“We have been aligned on what we are trying to do and build. It’s a team that’s young. It’s a team that’s got long contracts. And all these things were new, and to do all these things we have done it’s obviously because we are aligned.

“So if you look at what is actually happening and don’t follow the shiny lights you will see there is core stability and there has been a long-time theme. And I think we are executing on a plan that ultimately will have Chelsea where it belongs. I mean we are sitting top four right now.

“I think the status quo is just fine. We have learned from each other and I think we are going to be able to work it out any which way.

“We have to think about long term what we are trying to accomplish. We have a big stadium development opportunity that we have to flesh out, and I think that’s where we either align or ultimately decide to go our different ways. But what has been written and talked about has much more drama than what has actually happened.”

On 21/03/2025 at 21:32, evissy said:

Everything is connected into time. Roman brought us the idea there is no time. We grew with the idea he comes with his purse and buys us out of problems. Don't you guys remember that? We were so lucky with him but his style meant you sacrificed with any type of progressive project. We didn't have projects, it was just the here and now. That meant it is the shiniest player or coach with premium money.

We are very conditioned to not give time to any squad or coach because we don't think there is time.

Problem with Roman's Chelsea was it was reactionary. In this climate today you need to be sharp, smart, ruthless and extremely lucky to win things.

This would all be great if Newcastle didn't start their 'project' with a much worse squad, spent 1/3 of what we have and are already more successful. Will likely finish above us this season too.

On 23/03/2025 at 08:31, evissy said:

Pep is the most rigid coach there probably is.

Probably developed more playstyles than any other manager in history.

5 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This would all be great if Newcastle didn't start their 'project' with a much worse squad, spent 1/3 of what we have and are already more successful. Will likely finish above us this season too.

Again I can drag the time element here. You want us to compete here and now with experienced players like Newcastle the owners have decided to go with youth. Ceiling of most of their players have been reached. Although I have nothing bad to say about their work. Great coach with good smart players. What they are doing is also exactly what every other club is doing.

19 minutes ago, evissy said:

Again I can drag the time element here. You want us to compete here and now with experienced players like Newcastle the owners have decided to go with youth. Ceiling of most of their players have been reached. Although I have nothing bad to say about their work. Great coach with good smart players. What they are doing is also exactly what every other club is doing.

The owners have got it wrong.

Ceiling has been reached for Isak? Gordon? Livramento? Hall? Lewis Miley? Tonali? Botman? They're all under 25. We're still yet to buy a striker as good as Isak, a winger as good as Gordon, or a full back as good as Hall or Livramento.

Livramento is improving so much because he has Trippier to learn from. Who are our youth learning from?

29 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

The owners have got it wrong.

Ceiling has been reached for Isak? Gordon? Livramento? Hall? Lewis Miley? Tonali? Botman? They're all under 25. We're still yet to buy a striker as good as Isak, a winger as good as Gordon, or a full back as good as Hall or Livramento.

Livramento is improving so much because he has Trippier to learn from. Who are our youth learning from?

Sorry but this is something none of us can know at this point in time. I appreciate your opinion but it is as bad/good as mine.

Gone on the impulsiveness of government virtual signaling.

And it's most likely never coming back.

On 23/03/2025 at 00:41, abramovich said:

Exactly. Do you know why all other major clubs have been doing things differently? Because it works. Do you really think no top side execs have ever thought of building a side by stockpiling young talent and developing them instead of spending big on established players? It sounds great but it's unrealistic. That's why you need a healthy mix of youth and experience, players in their prime, a few young talents and a veteran or two to build a solid squad.

No one's talking about clinging to the past. I'd welcome any owner(s) who'll go about their business in a sensible manner instead of turning our club into a some sort of a weird experiment with unpredictable consequences for many years to come.

Tbf Brighton has been doing what we are doing for a while now and they are a stable midtable team with healthy financial number and that is our board plan, turn us into a stable top team with healthy financial number and Blue co has been honest about it.

Not sure what they are doing is not working, we have been the best/one of the best team outside the title contenders two season in a row.

How about winning big trophy? Brighton has flirted with getting top 4 for a couple seasons and I can see them getting one when the star align, I can see us doing the same with big title.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Tbf Brighton has been doing what we are doing for a while now and they are a stable midtable team with healthy financial number and that is our board plan, turn us into a stable top team with healthy financial number and Blue co has been honest about it.

Not sure what they are doing is not working, we have been the best/one of the best team outside the title contenders two season in a row.

How about winning big trophy? Brighton has flirted with getting top 4 for a couple seasons and I can see them getting one when the star align, I can see us doing the same with big title.

Problem is, that's been overstated. @Sexyfootball showed that Brighton are actually nowhere near as financially viable as people might think, and that their apparent recent success has almost solely been underwritten by Chelsea's recent spending. Take that unique circumstance out and Brighton are rarely profitable on any player, nor are they receiving as good a return on investment given the amount they are spending.

We've seen the youth model before. Many people critiqued this under Emenalo, who invented the loan army as a way to skirt FFP. We've seen top clubs like Barcelona and Arsenal fail miserably with the 'youth approach', vastly overpaying for young talents who never perform and under-developing their academy talents (Barcelona) and in Arsenal's case post-Vieira, never looking a like competitive club to the point where all their best young players left to rivals for a paltry sum - Arsenal didn't even get 100m for Nasri, van Persie, Fabregas and Sanchez combined.

18 hours ago, evissy said:

Sorry but this is something none of us can know at this point in time. I appreciate your opinion but it is as bad/good as mine.

Thank you for your well thought out response to the other points i raised, not like you to didge questions again.

6 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Not sure what they are doing is not working, we have been the best/one of the best team outside the title contenders two season in a row.

Have i been watching the wrong team?

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Have i been watching the wrong team?

Last season we finished 6th with 4th xgd. We were one of the best team outside the 3 title contenders (arse, city n pool).

This season we are in similar situation.

In reality we can be challenging the top tier in a couple of years. It naturally depends on our transfer policy. Will we buy experience with top dollar next summer for example Osimhen instead of Delap? I don't think we will do it. Someone like Osimhen would wreck the shaven wage bill and he would automatically take a senior role in the team. And a volatile person like Osimhen could do damage to the unity of the squad which looks pretty unified to me. Not too many dramas to report.

We just have to face these top dogs and most probably lose those games. As we have done in recent years.

The squad is not ready.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Last season we finished 6th with 4th xgd. We were one of the best team outside the 3 title contenders (arse, city n pool).

This season we are in similar situation.

Last season we were absolutely dog sh*t outside of the last 2 months, this season we've been absolutely dogsh*t outside of the first 2 months.

I could not care less about xG or other made up fugazi stats.

14 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Last season we were absolutely dog sh*t outside of the last 2 months, this season we've been absolutely dogsh*t outside of the first 2 months.

I could not care less about xG or other made up fugazi stats.

I’d also add that last seasons dog sh*t isn’t even on this seasons dog sh*t level! We were crap a lot of games but nothing like how bad it’s been a lot this season! It’s been some of the worse play since that really wonky stint at the end of Jose’s second coming in 2015!

43 minutes ago, Mod said:

I’d also add that last seasons dog sh*t isn’t even on this seasons dog sh*t level! We were crap a lot of games but nothing like how bad it’s been a lot this season! It’s been some of the worse play since that really wonky stint at the end of Jose’s second coming in 2015!

Stats have killed football. Its supposed to be a sport for entertainment, not we can watch the most dull, boring sh*t we've ever seen and people will try to argue we're one of the best teams in the league based on hypothetical stats. Blows my mind.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

In reality we can be challenging the top tier in a couple of years. It naturally depends on our transfer policy. Will we buy experience with top dollar next summer for example Osimhen instead of Delap? I don't think we will do it. Someone like Osimhen would wreck the shaven wage bill and he would automatically take a senior role in the team. And a volatile person like Osimhen could do damage to the unity of the squad which looks pretty unified to me. Not too many dramas to report.

We just have to face these top dogs and most probably lose those games. As we have done in recent years.

The squad is not ready.

In reality we can be bankrupted in the next couple of years. Highly bloated squad with the only possible way of staying afloat is selling the handful of positive signings to cover the enormous amount of expensive unfulfilled potential signings.

2 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

In reality we can be bankrupted in the next couple of years. Highly bloated squad with the only possible way of staying afloat is selling the handful of positive signings to cover the enormous amount of expensive unfulfilled potential signings.

That I think is worst case scenario -material. If something was taken from Boehlys words he sees this venture as a very good one. His big problem seems to be he is not aligned with other owners or perhaps with Eghbali on the stadium.

I think breaking FFP rules and getting sanctioned is much more likely. Which is naturally a possibility to each and every Premier League club.

I think Chelsea in world perspective is viewed as an interesting thing. And hopefully more so in the not so distant future.