9 minutes ago, Andy North said:

Will the owners put him on the naughty step along with the others is yet to been but its getting a bit crowded there and the window is fast approaching.

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't now already on it.

By my reckoning there are 19 players they are probably trying to either sell or loan ... leaving us a squad of 24 or 25 (including Felix and Osimhen coming in).

 

SELL/LOAN

GK: Kepa, Petrovic, Bergstrom

DEF: Chilwell, Chalobah, Humphreys, Disasi

MID: Gallagher, Casadei, Matos, 

ATTACKING MID: Sterling, Chukwuemeka, Angelo, Vale, Anjorin

FWD: Lukaku, Broja, D.Fofana, Washington

 

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by Sexyfootball

2 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't now already on it.

By my reckoning there are 19 players they are probably trying to either sell or loan ... leaving us a squad of 24 or 25 (including Felix and Osimhen coming in).

 

SELL/LOAN

GK: Kepa, Petrovic, Bergstrom

DEF: Chilwell, Chalobah, Humphreys, Disasi

MID: Gallagher, Casadei, Matos, 

ATTACKING MID: Sterling, Chukwuemeka, Angelo, Vale, Anjorin

FWD: Lukaku, Broja, D.Fofana, Washington

 

That's nearly two a day for each working day leading up to the windows closure. Then add in the players coming in and it just ain't gonna happen. 

Does anybody have any ideas how players not registered in the Premier league or Conference can get a game?

Maybe we'll just give them away at the end or something. 

15 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't now already on it.

By my reckoning there are 19 players they are probably trying to either sell or loan ... leaving us a squad of 24 or 25 (including Felix and Osimhen coming in).

 

SELL/LOAN

GK: Kepa, Petrovic, Bergstrom

DEF: Chilwell, Chalobah, Humphreys, Disasi

MID: Gallagher, Casadei, Matos, 

ATTACKING MID: Sterling, Chukwuemeka, Angelo, Vale, Anjorin

FWD: Lukaku, Broja, D.Fofana, Washington

 

What on earth are we going to do with Washington, he would get obliterated playing in championship. Can't imagine we are going to cut our losses already on him either. 

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Cholesterol numbers to match the numbers we paid for Enzo. I'm going to have to issue a statement seeking clarity on my role as your dietitian.

Bang Band chicken with rice and beans just been polished off.

294 kcal per serving. 21.8g of protein. 1160mg of salt. 

These excel spreadsheets aren't going to know what's hit them this afternoon. 

1 minute ago, Remodez said:

What on earth are we going to do with Washington, he would get obliterated playing in championship. Can't imagine we are going to cut our losses already on him either. 

Washington is an interesting case to be honest.

You'll see that Mason Burstow has now joined Hull permanently, following his loan spell to Sunderland last season. This was a loan to be part of his progressions with us because we were getting crowded out with Moreira (who went out on loan as well) and Washington who we couldn't get out on loan in time. Come the end of the season the manager has changed, more graduates are coming through to the Dev squad and players being paid for to come in.

This was a point i was trying to make last week. Of course i don't know this to be the case and can only surmise. Burstow's move will be to play football, something that he would find increasingly difficult at Chelsea when competing against players at his same age and development level that we have actually paid for. Moreira hos now gone and they will try to shift Washington. Neither of these were starters ahead of Stutter or Richards by the way.

We never really got a chance to see how Burstow would fare for us, other than his pre season under Poch. I thought he had the attributes to progress here, certainly no more lacking than any of these other kids. Its a shame but for Mason, he is going to replace Delap and Hull and who knows where this will lead. I personally would have liked to have persevered with Burstow until it was proven he didn't have it rather than the players being squeezed through overcrowding.

George, Richards, Rak-Saki, McNeilly, Acheampong, Dyer and Mhueka all have real potential to come through. Hopefully this won't be impacted by players that he club then go and pay large sums to bring in.

30 minutes ago, Andy North said:

That's nearly two a day for each working day leading up to the windows closure. Then add in the players coming in and it just ain't gonna happen. 

Does anybody have any ideas how players not registered in the Premier league or Conference can get a game?

Maybe we'll just give them away at the end or something. 

I guess most of them will have been worked on for weeks already so it may all come together in spite of how daunting the task might seem on face value ... 

45 minutes ago, Remodez said:

What on earth are we going to do with Washington, he would get obliterated playing in championship. Can't imagine we are going to cut our losses already on him either. 

Maybe a team with a 2 striker set up he'll be alright. 

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Our wage bill in general is around 60k/w. All the new contracts are heavily incentified. We can fit 5-6 players in Raheems contract. 

It was Todd who appointed himself sporting director, bought Sterling and gave him the contract of 300k a week .

Another f**k up

 

 

Sterling's mate Rio pitching in now.

Hard to disagree with much he's said there. You know, losing to City is no crisis even though taking a loss at the Bridge in Gameweek 1 hurts. But noise and disruptions like this with Sterling and others is exactly the kind of stuff that can ruin a season. We've seen it before with AVB and Mourinho when they've treated players (and staff in some instances) in similar ways, it's blown up.

 

 

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Our wage bill in general is around 60k/w. All the new contracts are heavily incentified. We can fit 5-6 players in Raheems contract. 

Our average wage bill for the first team squad must be higher than that ? 

I suspect if you include every player at the club from the Academy upwards it will be drastically lowered, but I don't believe an average of £60,000 for the first team squad?

Anyway it was Todd while promising to bring the wage bill down, gave Sterling £300k a week 

 

14 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Sterling's mate Rio pitching in now.

Hard to disagree with much he's said there. You know, losing to City is no crisis even though taking a loss at the Bridge in Gameweek 1 hurts. But noise and disruptions like this with Sterling and others is exactly the kind of stuff that can ruin a season. We've seen it before with AVB and Mourinho when they've treated players (and staff in some instances) in similar ways, it's blown up.

 

 

It's just his opinion.

Everything at the club is running smoothly, the fans are delighted at what's happening, the football is great to watch.

He should keep his marf shut !

The Sterling critiscm on here is over the top. 

The player we have is exactly as I expected when he signed. That's why I never wanted to sign him. However, guys like Enzo, Mudryk even Cucurella have been far less impactful since they have been at the club. 

17 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

The Sterling critiscm on here is over the top. 

The player we have is exactly as I expected when he signed. That's why I never wanted to sign him. However, guys like Enzo, Mudryk even Cucurella have been far less impactful since they have been at the club. 

Very good points KB

The fee plus ALL wages to date for Sterling aren't even within £30m yet of the transfer fee paid for Fernandez, let alone Enzo's wages on top of that. We've had a much better return from Raheem than we've had from Enzo. 

Edited August 19, 20241 yr by Sexyfootball

2 hours ago, Andy North said:

That's nearly two a day for each working day leading up to the windows closure. Then add in the players coming in and it just ain't gonna happen. 

Does anybody have any ideas how players not registered in the Premier league or Conference can get a game?

Maybe we'll just give them away at the end or something. 

The 30/8 date for this transfer window is the same for Premier League, La Liga, Serie A , Bundesliega, and Liga 1. So England, Spain, Italy France& Germany

in Portugal it’s 16/9, Holland2/9 and most interestingly in 6/10 is Saudi

19 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

The Sterling critiscm on here is over the top. 

The player we have is exactly as I expected when he signed. That's why I never wanted to sign him. However, guys like Enzo, Mudryk even Cucurella have been far less impactful since they have been at the club. 

To be fair neither Enzo, Mudryk, or Cucurella gave anything close to the performance we saw Sterling against Wolves and Leicester in the FA Cup. 

It's the wages that do it for me. £350kpw and doesn't look an inch out of place in this young squad despite being 30 years old. 

12 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

The Sterling critiscm on here is over the top. 

The player we have is exactly as I expected when he signed. That's why I never wanted to sign him. However, guys like Enzo, Mudryk even Cucurella have been far less impactful since they have been at the club. 

Enzo, Mudryk and to a lesser extent Cucurella were signed on their potential for a fraction of the salary. Sterling was signed to come in and lead the team and be our talisman and has done none of that, his leadership has been in questions with the amount of times he's tried (and failed) for personal glory over team glory. 

9 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Enzo, Mudryk and to a lesser extent Cucurella were signed on their potential for a fraction of the salary. Sterling was signed to come in and lead the team and be our talisman and has done none of that, his leadership has been in questions with the amount of times he's tried (and failed) for personal glory over team glory. 

Fraction of salary but massive transfer fee. None of them have put in any match winning performances as Sterling has done for us on the odd occasion. As I said, we all knew the player we were getting in Sterling, so is anyone really surprised? I'm not.....I'm surprised at the amount of money we spent on Mudryk and Enzo. All that hype and I feel like we've been absolutely conned.

21 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

To be fair neither Enzo, Mudryk, or Cucurella gave anything close to the performance we saw Sterling against Wolves and Leicester in the FA Cup. 

It's the wages that do it for me. £350kpw and doesn't look an inch out of place in this young squad despite being 30 years old. 

Mudryk has put in some absolutely terrible performances. Sterling's were down to greed and poor decision making. Mudryk is worse as he's just not a professional top level footballer. Absolute fraud. Enzo is just invisible. Doesn't offer anything in attack or defence.

13 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Very good points KB

The fee plus ALL wages to date for Sterling aren't even within £30m yet of even the transfer fee paid for Fernandez, let alone Enzo's wages on top of that. We've had a much better return from Raheem than we've had from Enzo. 

We can only base this sort of comment of what is being reported so if the numbers are right

Transfer fees Sterling £48 million , Fernandez £107 million. Sterlings is a 5 year deal . Fernandez is on an 8 year deal

Sterlings weekly wage £325k. Fernandez £180. so that’s £16.9 million Pa Sterling £9.3million Fernandez

Two/ three ways of looking at this

 Sterlings annual amortisation £9. 6million plus wages of £16.9 = £ 26.5 million.  Fernandez is £ 12.5 million + £9.3 million = £21.8 million.

So over a 5 year time line the cost for Sterling  would be £132.5 million & Fernandez £109 million. After five years there would still be £47 million of Fernandez fee left to be amortised and £27.9 wages still to pay

Juat A little + is that class I employers nic on Sterlings reported wage is £42k and Fernandez £ £24 k.. so over 5 years The club will have paid £10.9 nic in respect of Sterling and £6.2 in respect of Fernandez. Of course then% of their overall package will be paid by way of image rights.

In effect the annual cost of Sterling is greater than Fernandez. However there’s those three additional years to factor in but the logic would be that Fernandez in another 3 years ( when Sterlings contract ends) would have some sort of fee whereas it’s unlikely that Sterling would have any.

 

23 minutes ago, terraloon said:

We can only base this sort of comment of what is being reported so if the numbers are right

Transfer fees Sterling £48 million , Fernandez £107 million. Sterlings is a 5 year deal . Fernandez is on an 8 year deal

Sterlings weekly wage £325k. Fernandez £180. so that’s £16.9 million Pa Sterling £9.3million Fernandez

Two/ three ways of looking at this

 Sterlings annual amortisation £9. 6million plus wages of £16.9 = £ 26.5 million.  Fernandez is £ 12.5 million + £9.3 million = £21.8 million.

So over a 5 year time line the cost for Sterling  would be £132.5 million & Fernandez £109 million. After five years there would still be £47 million of Fernandez fee left to be amortised and £27.9 wages still to pay

Juat A little + is that class I employers nic on Sterlings reported wage is £42k and Fernandez £ £24 k.. so over 5 years The club will have paid £10.9 nic in respect of Sterling and £6.2 in respect of Fernandez. Of course then% of their overall package will be paid by way of image rights.

In effect the annual cost of Sterling is greater than Fernandez. However there’s those three additional years to factor in but the logic would be that Fernandez in another 3 years ( when Sterlings contract ends) would have some sort of fee whereas it’s unlikely that Sterling would have any.

 

Good for you terraloon if you think we're getting better value out of Enzo than we're getting out of Sterling.

27 minutes ago, terraloon said:

We can only base this sort of comment of what is being reported so if the numbers are right

Transfer fees Sterling £48 million , Fernandez £107 million. Sterlings is a 5 year deal . Fernandez is on an 8 year deal

Sterlings weekly wage £325k. Fernandez £180. so that’s £16.9 million Pa Sterling £9.3million Fernandez

Two/ three ways of looking at this

 Sterlings annual amortisation £9. 6million plus wages of £16.9 = £ 26.5 million.  Fernandez is £ 12.5 million + £9.3 million = £21.8 million.

So over a 5 year time line the cost for Sterling  would be £132.5 million & Fernandez £109 million. After five years there would still be £47 million of Fernandez fee left to be amortised and £27.9 wages still to pay

Juat A little + is that class I employers nic on Sterlings reported wage is £42k and Fernandez £ £24 k.. so over 5 years The club will have paid £10.9 nic in respect of Sterling and £6.2 in respect of Fernandez. Of course then% of their overall package will be paid by way of image rights.

In effect the annual cost of Sterling is greater than Fernandez. However there’s those three additional years to factor in but the logic would be that Fernandez in another 3 years ( when Sterlings contract ends) would have some sort of fee whereas it’s unlikely that Sterling would have any.

 

What about spend per goal/assist?

9 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Good for you terraloon if you think we're getting better value out of Enzo than we're getting out of Sterling.

Did I say that?
 

As it happens not getting close to the performances we should from either

9 minutes ago, terraloon said:

Did I say that?
 

As it happens not getting close to the performances we should from either

Not in as many words, but your lengthy analysis did kind of come across as a stringent defence in favour of Enzo's better value to be honest. When I skim read it anyway !

I don't think you factored in that we had to pay £40m of the Enzo fee up front though ? That was all over the media at the time, when Eghbali was puffing his chest out at his intervention to get the deal done at the 11th hour ... kind of wish he hadn't bothered now.

It did seem a bit mad at the time to pay €121m for a player whose transfermarkt valuation was €55m, and for whom Benfica paid just €44m only 6 months earlier ... 

 

 

So we have over 40 players in the squad and want Sterling gone, so what about this?

https://eplindex.com/118152/di-marzio-chelsea-and-juventus-in-swap-talks.html

11 minutes ago, POCH OUT said:

So we have over 40 players in the squad and want Sterling gone, so what about this?

https://eplindex.com/118152/di-marzio-chelsea-and-juventus-in-swap-talks.html

I’d rather swap him for 2 pints of milk and a packet of wine gums to be honest