I wouldn't even say Tierney is the better player. He's been sh*t and injury prone. 

I hope this does go through as it will allow one of Badiashile or Colwill to play LB whilst the other is LCB

 

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I wouldn't even say Tierney is the better player. He's been sh*t and injury prone. 

I hope this does go through as it will allow one of Badiashile or Colwill to play LB whilst the other is LCB

 

Agree about the injuries Sconnie but Tierney is a much better defender and certainly much better going forward than Cucurella is IMO.

4 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Newcastle looking at Cucurella or Tierney for a loan with possible option / obligation to buy.

Tierney is the better player but he's had a few injuries from time to time.

Let's hope we can convince them on Cucurella.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/08/14/newcastle-utd-transfer-news-kieran-tierney-marc-cucurella/

 

 

I don't think so. He's lightweight, gets forward with no great result and poor defensively. When he's fit.

2 minutes ago, dermott said:

I don't think so. He's lightweight, gets forward with no great result and poor defensively. When he's fit.

Sounds like twice the player Cucurella is.

8 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Sounds like twice the player Cucurella is.

Newcastle have traditionally fielded a lot of defenders with longer hair though. That could work in Cucu's favour 😉

Be lucky if we get 1/4 of what we paid for him. I'd give him another season, we all know Chiwell will break down ( unfortunately) at some stage of the season, good to have option B or C if it is expensive and not as effective.

9 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Be lucky if we get 1/4 of what we paid for him. I'd give him another season, we all know Chiwell will break down ( unfortunately) at some stage of the season, good to have option B or C if it is expensive and not as effective.

Option B - Colwill

Option C - Maatsen

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/after-lukaku-people-at-chelsea-are-also-frustrated-that-175000-a-week-player-hasnt-been-sold-yet/

Surely Tuchel will step in and buy him?

1 hour ago, just said:

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/after-lukaku-people-at-chelsea-are-also-frustrated-that-175000-a-week-player-hasnt-been-sold-yet/

Surely Tuchel will step in and buy him?

I suspect Cucurella will stay for at least this season. On those wages it is hard to imagine many teams bidding for him. Our best hope is probably that he finds a semblance of the form that led him to win Brighton's player of the season award.

5 hours ago, forbzy said:

Our best hope is probably that he finds a semblance of the form that led him to win Brighton's player of the season award.

That is impossible unless we change our playstyle. 

Edited August 23, 20232 yr by Bob stark

On 15/08/2023 at 14:25, RIP Mourinho said:

Option B - Colwill

Option C - Maatsen

What makes people think Colwill is a good LB? He seems a bit too slow for the position. Was pretty evident when we played Liverpool.

5 hours ago, reparto corse said:

What makes people think Colwill is a good LB? He seems a bit too slow for the position. Was pretty evident when we played Liverpool.

Colwill is faster than Cucurella. 

You don't need to be fast to play football, City have a back 4 made up entirely of CB's and dominate teams. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 You don't need to be fast to play football, City have a back 4 made up entirely of CB's and dominate teams. 

You need pace to play Premier League football, without a shadow of a doubt. One of the Man City centre backs is Kyle Walker, a converted right back and the fastest player in the league.

7 hours ago, reparto corse said:

What makes people think Colwill is a good LB? He seems a bit too slow for the position. Was pretty evident when we played Liverpool.

Pace wasn't his problem v Liverpool. Salah was. Salah has skinned much more experienced defenders than Colwill who was, early on, left with no support.

7 hours ago, reparto corse said:

What makes people think Colwill is a good LB? He seems a bit too slow for the position. Was pretty evident when we played Liverpool.

He doesn't need to be a good LB. He just needs to wear a pair of shorts, face the right direction and run in a straight line to be better than Cucurella.

23 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

You need pace to play Premier League football, without a shadow of a doubt. One of the Man City centre backs is Kyle Walker, a converted right back and the fastest player in the league.

Go look at Newcastle's back line and tell me where their pace is, because they had one of the best defensive records last season. I'd take a good footballer over a good athlete any day.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Go look at Newcastle's back line and tell me where their pace is, because they had one of the best defensive records last season. I'd take a good footballer over a good athlete any day.

Happy to help - Botman and Trippier - neither are slouches. In fact Botman clocked the highest top speed last season of any player..!

Edited August 23, 20232 yr by Gonoir Beniashile

49 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Happy to help - Botman and Trippier - neither are slouches. In fact Botman clocked the highest top speed last season of any player..!

They literally employ Dan Burn as their starting LB, Colwill is much faster than him. All our CB's bar Silva are quicker than Trippier at full back. 

55 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

They literally employ Dan Burn as their starting LB, Colwill is much faster than him. All our CB's bar Silva are quicker than Trippier at full back. 

Some players are faster than others, I agree. Vast majority of top level players have pace.

Interesting article:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/premier-league-v-amateur-fitness

30 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Some players are faster than others, I agree. Vast majority of top level players have pace.

Interesting article:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/premier-league-v-amateur-fitness

That article is comparing professional athletes to your average joe. We're discussing premier league footballers v premier league footballers????

The whole topic of conversation was about Colwill being fast enough to play Poch's version of LB.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

That article is comparing professional athletes to your average joe. We're discussing premier league footballers v premier league footballers????

The whole topic of conversation was about Colwill being fast enough to play Poch's version of LB.

It's you that went off the tangent mate, banging on about a) Newcastle having no pace in defence and b) players not needing pace. I was happy to set you straight on both points.

Burn, Botman, and Schar are no nonsense CBs that are difficult to get past. Same with Akanji and Gvardiol. It is why they are effective at full back in a system that looks to predominately control the ball and are structured very well in the defensive transition. 

Colwill can play LB as we saw against Liverpool, but he cannot be left for dead as we also saw against Liverpool, even though he did manage himself well. We need to do better in the defensive phase. 

17 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

It's you that went off the tangent mate, banging on about a) Newcastle having no pace in defence and b) players not needing pace. I was happy to set you straight on both points.

You posted an article about the pace of professional footballer compared to Dave round the corner. 

23 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Colwill is faster than Cucurella. 

You don't need to be fast to play football, City have a back 4 made up entirely of CB's and dominate teams. 

I stated Colwill is faster than Cucurella.

21 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

You need pace to play Premier League football, without a shadow of a doubt. One of the Man City centre backs is Kyle Walker, a converted right back and the fastest player in the league.

You said you need to pace to play football. Made a point about one single player in City's back line having pace, even though he's their worst player in that back line.

21 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Go look at Newcastle's back line and tell me where their pace is, because they had one of the best defensive records last season. I'd take a good footballer over a good athlete any day.

I pointed out Newcastle have very little pace in their backline.

20 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Happy to help - Botman and Trippier - neither are slouches. In fact Botman clocked the highest top speed last season of any player..!

You named one single player, Botman. Trippier isn't quick. Conveniently forgot to mention Dan Burn in the exact same position we're discussing who's a slouch. 

19 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

They literally employ Dan Burn as their starting LB, Colwill is much faster than him. All our CB's bar Silva are quicker than Trippier at full back. 

I remind you we're discussing LB. 

18 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Some players are faster than others, I agree. Vast majority of top level players have pace.

Interesting article:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/premier-league-v-amateur-fitness

You post some random link to something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

17 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

It's you that went off the tangent mate, banging on about a) Newcastle having no pace in defence and b) players not needing pace. I was happy to set you straight on both points.

Newcastle have one single player in that backline with pace, who plays a separate position to what is being discussed. Players absolutely don't NEED pace to play at the highest level. Ivanovic was one of the best full backs we had and he wasn't quick. This isn't FIFA, you don't need the player with quickest pace to out run the opposition. Running should be last resort in football, if you can read the game you won't need it. 

Back to the original point, what exactly makes you think Colwill can't play LB? He was basically playing that role at Brighton in their back 3.

58 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Back to the original point, what exactly makes you think Colwill can't play LB? He was basically playing that role at Brighton in their back 3.

You've misunderstood, I never mentioned Colwill. On that point though I certainly think he can play LB, and I'd certainly prefer him over Cucurella. Having a defender able to play both centre back and full back is nothing new - it's been around for decades. 

 

Regarding the other bits and pieces - you challenged me that the Newcastle defence had no pace, but I disproved that by pointing out Botman clocked the fastest pace in the Prem last season. As I also said - Trippier himself is no slouch (having clocked over 30kph pace). You were wrong, it happens, accept it and move on.

28 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

You've misunderstood, I never mentioned Colwill. On that point though I certainly think he can play LB, and I'd certainly prefer him over Cucurella. Having a defender able to play both centre back and full back is nothing new - it's been around for decades. 

 

Regarding the other bits and pieces - you challenged me that the Newcastle defence had no pace, but I disproved that by pointing out Botman clocked the fastest pace in the Prem last season. As I also said - Trippier himself is no slouch (having clocked over 30kph pace). You were wrong, it happens, accept it and move on.

 

23 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

You need pace to play Premier League football, without a shadow of a doubt. One of the Man City centre backs is Kyle Walker, a converted right back and the fastest player in the league.

Your first message in here. ^ You don't need pace to play in the premier league, and certainly not defence. Ivanovic, one of Chelsea's best ever fullbacks, wasn't pacey. Naming one single person in a four man back line doesn't make any point. You also mentioned Trippier who is slower than all our CB's bar Silva. 

Congrats on making a point irrelevant to the one being discussed though, proud of you.