On 25/06/2024 at 11:57, dkw said:

His positioning is terrible for a top class player, constantly out of shape, face on far too much, gets rolled far too easily etc. 

This is my biggest problem with him, its a basic of defending to be side on ready to go but he always either jumps in or just isn't ready. If he misses the first ball he's not got the recovery pace to deal with it. Hopefully he'll do better with Colwill next to him next season who has the pace and is comfortable defending out wide.

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This is my biggest problem with him, its a basic of defending to be side on ready to go but he always either jumps in or just isn't ready. If he misses the first ball he's not got the recovery pace to deal with it. Hopefully he'll do better with Colwill next to him next season who has the pace and is comfortable defending out wide.

It amazes me every time he does it, how can a player at that level get the fundamentals so wrong so often.

5 hours ago, dkw said:

It amazes me every time he does it, how can a player at that level get the fundamentals so wrong so often.

Next season he'll do what he did at the end of the last one, and quiet all the bald-hair-jealous doubters again! 👀

14 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Hopefully he'll do better with Colwill next to him next season who has the pace and is comfortable defending out wide.

In back 4,it is not cb job  to cover fb. 

It is Enzo and Mudryk job to cover for cucu.

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

In back 4,it is not cb job  to cover fb. 

It is Enzo and Mudryk job to cover for cucu.

Football isn't linear. If the full back gets beat and there's no one to cover the CB will step over, we've been watching VVD give TAA a career for the best part of half a decade doing it. 

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Football isn't linear. If the full back gets beat and there's no one to cover the CB will step over, we've been watching VVD give TAA a career for the best part of half a decade doing it. 

Nope, it is Henderson and Salah job to help Trent. CB won't defend wide area unless there is a ball over the top or st making channel run. In back 4, CB has to stay central. 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

In back 4,it is not cb job  to cover fb. 

It is Enzo and Mudryk job to cover for cucu.

Man every time you put stuff like this its just so obvious youve never played the game in your life 😅

Of course it can be the bloody CB`s job, 

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Man every time you put stuff like this its just so obvious youve never played the game in your life 😅

Of course it can be the bloody CB`s job, 

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Let's say you play cb and your fb get beaten, will you go wide and cover and leava st free in the box?? 

Just now, Bob stark said:

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Let's say you play cb and your fb get beaten, will you go wide and cover and leava st free in the box?? 

Completely dependent on loads of different variables for f**ks sake. CB`s can cover full backs, midfielders can cover full backs, all kinds of situations mean different things happen. So many fans see things black and white its ridiculous.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Completely dependent on loads of different variables for f**ks sake. CB`s can cover full backs, midfielders can cover full backs, all kinds of situations mean different things happen. So many fans see things black and white its ridiculous.i

I usually play cb or dm if my fb get beaten i will slowly  cover but still in the middle because my man is st who usually stay in the middle. I can't sprint wide unless I know I can get the ball. You expect your winger and midfield to help your fb. 

 

You see here dm, winger help to protect the fb and the CB stay in the middle. 

If the cb has to go and defend it mean emergency scenario already

 

 

So you said "In back 4,it is not cb job  to cover fb." Which is just wrong as a definitive statement, I played Centre Back almost my entire football life, and I had to cover full backs regularly, its a part of the role of that position in certain situations, showing me one video where one of the best players ever scores a goal isnt going to change this.

20 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nope, it is Henderson and Salah job to help Trent. CB won't defend wide area unless there is a ball over the top or st making channel run. In back 4, CB has to stay central. 

 

 

 

 

 

Irrespective of the fact that Henderson hasn’t been at Liverpool a year I think that this comment is just too simplistic 

 

There are may approaches to playing a back four and yes some coaches require their two CBs to remain central but just on Liverpool if you watch them closely their two CBs don’t stay central they have a significant gap which enables the CB to come central or cover their advanced  FB be it Trent or whoever. Their , Liverpools intention, is to force the advancing opposition forward into the central area where they hope a retreating midfielder can provide the additional cover via the quickest and shortest route. 
 

Again Arsenals two CBs are split in possession but don’t shirk if they have to come out of central areas when defending .

My point is that there is no “ bible” in such matters the top coaches coaching top players aren’t as rigid as you suggest dealing with players who can read situations and as a many commentators put it snuff out escalating matters at source

29 minutes ago, dkw said:

So you said "In back 4,it is not cb job  to cover fb." Which is just wrong as a definitive statement, I played Centre Back almost my entire football life, and I had to cover full backs regularly, its a part of the role of that position in certain situations, showing me one video where one of the best players ever scores a goal isnt going to change this.

Are you talking about covering in the box? Or when you lose the ball when the fb goes up? 

Edited June 28, 20242 yr by Bob stark

20 minutes ago, terraloon said:

Irrespective of the fact that Henderson hasn’t been at Liverpool a year I think that this comment is just too simplistic 

 

There are may approaches to playing a back four and yes some coaches require their two CBs to remain central but just on Liverpool if you watch them closely their two CBs don’t stay central they have a significant gap which enables the CB to come central or cover their advanced  FB be it Trent or whoever. Their , Liverpools intention, is to force the advancing opposition forward into the central area where they hope a retreating midfielder can provide the additional cover via the quickest and shortest route. 
 

Again Arsenals two CBs are split in possession but don’t shirk if they have to come out of central areas when defending .

My point is that there is no “ bible” in such matters the top coaches coaching top players aren’t as rigid as you suggest dealing with players who can read situations and as a many commentators put it snuff out escalating matters at source

You are talking a completely different topic. If I build up in 3, of course one of the cb has to defend wide area. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nope, it is Henderson and Salah job to help Trent. CB won't defend wide area unless there is a ball over the top or st making channel run. In back 4, CB has to stay central. 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, football is not a straight forward situation in every example. CB's will often defend wide and midfielders drop in to cover. We saw  Jackson have a straight foot race down the touchline with Saliba last season, why was he there? In your perfect example Saliba should have stayed in the middle and left Jackson unchallenged. 

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Once again, football is not a straight forward situation in every example. CB's will often defend wide and midfielders drop in to cover. We saw  Jackson have a straight foot race down the touchline with Saliba last season, why was he there? In your perfect example Saliba should have stayed in the middle and left Jackson unchallenged. 

Transition is completely different story. You are no longer defend with back 4

56 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

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Let's say you play cb and your fb get beaten, will you go wide and cover and leava st free in the box?? 

A back line shuffles over. If a CB  goes wide to cover a beaten full back the other CB will shuffle over and the opposite full back will drop in. The opposite winger or midfielder will then have to cover any late back post runs. This is basic sh*t. 

9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

You are talking a completely different topic. If I build up in 3, of course one of the cb has to defend wide area. 

 

 

That’s total jibberish

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Transition is completely different story. You are no longer defend with back 4

what the f**k are you even talking about. I've made a comment that when cucurella gets beaten on the half turn on the half way line Colwill  can cover him. This isn't up for debate, this was a statement about what would happen on a matchday and why it'll be better having Colwill there than say Silva now. I don't need your football manager training course about how you use your players to defend on fifa hahaha please leave me alone. 

8 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Transition is completely different story. You are no longer defend with back 4

shut up. Go back and read my first message, what are you even on about anymore.b 

Any how Cucu has started for Spain every game and basically hasn't looked out of place for one of the top teams. Clearly first choice for the Chelsea and we need an understudy not a new starting left back. Cucu is imperfect but a reliable, ball playing, team captain style central back, maybe older than some of the others by a year or two would be very helpful.

On 28/06/2024 at 10:11, dkw said:

Completely dependent on loads of different variables for f**ks sake. CB`s can cover full backs, midfielders can cover full backs, all kinds of situations mean different things happen. So many fans see things black and white its ridiculous.

Eberezi Eze just covered for everyone in that Slovakia game. He saved England a couple of times. He is winger. It all depends on multiple things like you said.

Not my cup of tea and never will be. Don't like defenders, (I use the word "defender" loosely here), who regularly make rash decisions and have positional dementia. Even Georgia's goal the other night came from The Poodles side, and the player had all the time in the World to put the cross in because Cucu was miles away from him.

30 minutes ago, just said:

Not my cup of tea and never will be. Don't like defenders, (I use the word "defender" loosely here), who regularly make rash decisions and have positional dementia. Even Georgia's goal the other night came from The Poodles side, and the player had all the time in the World to put the cross in because Cucu was miles away from him.

Seems a bit of recency bias going on in with Chelsea fans, which I understand, but he is not a top class defender in any way, shape or form. He fits into the Spanish side as they are rarely attacked down the flanks.