4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

The penalty on Kane was a joke though, it must be said that without it England probably misses out on the final.

I disagree with this a bit Gol! I think since the Dutch goal, England was all over them and it was only a matter of time before probably Foden would've found the net!

5 minutes ago, Mod said:

I disagree with this a bit Gol! I think since the Dutch goal, England was all over them and it was only a matter of time before probably Foden would've found the net!

Is that the polite way of saying 'what pish'?

England were all over Holland in the first half and that was only stifled by the somewhat enforced change by Koeman which blunted the English midfield but was never s change with any ambition to win a football match.  

Sure the penalty was a poor decision but over the 90 minutes Englsnd fully deserved the win and without the penalty it was still one goal each so whose to say they wouldn't have got to the final.

All I know for sure is that if Jorginho was English he wouldn't have got a game...

As much as i think Kane is a hinderance to our attack he has to start the final. it must be absolute chaos for a defender spending 70 minutes with the striker dropping deep and having no one to mark and then having someone with fresh legs coming on willing to run in behind. No surprise the subs have had such an impact, defenders heads must be spun. 

3 hours ago, DarkMata said:

In all honesty though where do you see Southgate’s career going after this?

He’ll win the World Cup with Brazil.

16 hours ago, Remodez said:

Italy and France have been doing this for years to great success, why is it suddenly a problem with Southgate? 

But they weren't doing it. France and Italy have won tournaments winning ugly, but they are in full control, they knew what they were doing. England have no control with Southgate's tactics. Southgate's tactics haven't worked throughout the whole tournament. It's only when England get desperate and Southgate abandons the plan that they find a way through. It's entirely down to individualism. If that's what it takes to win the tournament, then I'll take it, but it won't change my opinion on Southgate.

Can’t see Southgate landing a Premiership job. He didn’t have a particularly special pedigree prior to l the England appointment, and can see him remaining  in International football, possibly for a gulf state, emerging football nation. Seems a nice enough chap. Hope him well. Good gaffer gig. You don’t have to wake up early every day to go to the training ground, can travel across the continent staying in 5 Star Hotels on scouting missions, get paid a kings ransom. Tough old life 

3 hours ago, Mod said:

I disagree with this a bit Gol! I think since the Dutch goal, England was all over them and it was only a matter of time before probably Foden would've found the net!

Still helps a lot to get an easy penalty before half time but I do agree, it did look like England was going to score.

6 hours ago, DarkMata said:

In all honesty though where do you see Southgate’s career going after this?  No doubt some decent team will give him an opportunity to start off (please Man Utd).  However a few years down the line I see the headline “Sir Gareth sacked as Derby County relegated to League two”.

Also Clearlake don’t you f**king dare even think about it.

 

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Think he has got Newcastle stamped all over him.

Actually I'd take that right now. Straight swap of Howe for Sir Gareth.

 

I wish he goes to man u!

Unfortunately he's too smart for that, he knows he'll be found out at club level. He will most likely want an FA job after this, with a break first obviously. Or I can maybe see him in another international manager position but he won't enjoy that. Lots of luxuries he'll miss on as the England job is quite comfortable compared to other countries.

So, imho, more likely an exec job at the FA, premier league or something like that.

Shame...I would have loved the world to actually see him as he truly is with Man u or even Newcastle, lol.

 

Seems to be a lot of fuss about England's pen being given.

Just a modern day penalty for me. The defender is a fraction late with his block, his raise studs hit Kane in a painful spot. In this day and age is a stonewall pen.

Can be unhappy for where the game has gone, a long way from our 70s cup win over Leeds, but is what it is. That's today's game, it's a clear pen.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Seems to be a lot of fuss about England's pen being given.

Just a modern day penalty for me. The defender is a fraction late with his block, his raise studs hit Kane in a painful spot. In this day and age is a stonewall pen.

Can be unhappy for where the game has gone, a long way from our 70s cup win over Leeds, but is what it is. That's today's game, it's a clear pen.

It's very very harsh imo. But if going by the rules, its definitely a penalty for the studs up issue. I get it, but the rules need changing and it was extremely harsh.

13 hours ago, Simplymo said:

 

 

I wish he goes to man u!

Unfortunately he's too smart for that, he knows he'll be found out at club level. He will most likely want an FA job after this, with a break first obviously. Or I can maybe see him in another international manager position but he won't enjoy that. Lots of luxuries he'll miss on as the England job is quite comfortable compared to other countries.

So, imho, more likely an exec job at the FA, premier league or something like that.

Shame...I would have loved the world to actually see him as he truly is with Man u or even Newcastle, lol.

 

Just Wikipedia’s Gareth and apparently he’s paid 5 million a year. I wasn’t aware there was that much money sloshing around the football association.

Defenders of this might argue that he carries the weight of the country’s hopes on his shoulders, it’s the going rate etc, however that is a staggering sum for a part time job

Re money sloshing around the football association, I failed to take on board sponsorship by the likes of Nike, EE, Barclays etc

One that always creases me up is the advert for Hellmans Mayonnaise 

Proud  BBQ Partners of The 2024 UEFA Championship. It’s like something out of Monty Python

33 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Just Wikipedia’s Gareth and apparently he’s paid 5 million a year. I wasn’t aware there was that much money sloshing around the football association.

Defenders of this might argue that he carries the weight of the country’s hopes on his shoulders, it’s the going rate etc, however that is a staggering sum for a part time job

It has to be one of the best jobs out there.

I know there is a lot of pressure come tournaments, but £5m a year plus all the add-ons. Going to all the PL games, going abroad to watch international opponents, flying first class, put up in top hotels. f**k me, who wouldn't do that for a fraction of that salary.

 

12 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Re money sloshing around the football association, I failed to take on board sponsorship by the likes of Nike, EE, Barclays etc

One that always creases me up is the advert for Hellmans Mayonnaise 

Proud  BBQ Partners of The 2024 UEFA Championship. It’s like something out of Monty Python

Only if Spam were a co-sponsor.

 

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38 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Just Wikipedia’s Gareth and apparently he’s paid 5 million a year. I wasn’t aware there was that much money sloshing around the football association.

Defenders of this might argue that he carries the weight of the country’s hopes on his shoulders, it’s the going rate etc, however that is a staggering sum for a part time job

Gareth is doing pretty well. Earners at these Euros:

1. Gareth Southgate (England) – £4.9million
2. Julian Nagelsmann (Germany) – £4million
3. Roberto Martinez (Portugal) – £3.4million
4. Didier Deschamps (France) – £3.2million
5. Ronald Koeman (Netherlands) – £2.5million
6. Luciano Spaletti (Italy) – £2.5million
7. Vicenzo Montella (Turkey) – £1.5million
8. Murat Yakin (Switzerland) – £1.4million
9. Ralf Rangnick (Austria) – £1.3million
10. Domenico Tedesco (Belgium) – £1.3million
11. Zlatko Dalic (Croatia) – £1.3million
12. Dragan Stojkovic (Serbia) – £1.2million
13. Luis de la Fuente (Spain) – £1million
14. Serhiy Rebrov (Ukraine) – £1million
15. Kasper Hjulmand (Denmark) – £970,000
16. Sylvinho (Albania) – £632,000
17. Michal Probierz (Poland) – £472,000
18. Steve Clark (Scotland) – £464,000
19. Francesco Calzona (Slovakia) – £455,000
20. Marco Rossi (Hungary) – £253,000
21. Matjaz Kek (Slovenia) – £253,000
22. Ivan Hasek (Czech Republic) – £210,000
23. Edward Iordanescu (Romania) – £202,000
24. Willy Sagnol (Georgia) – £168,000

56 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Just Wikipedia’s Gareth and apparently he’s paid 5 million a year. I wasn’t aware there was that much money sloshing around the football association.

You should see how much the robbing bastards charge you for fines at grass roots level 

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Only if Spam were a co-sponsor.

 

Many years ago watching Sutton Utd there was a pitch side advertising hoarding which read

Todays Match Sponsor is Spaghetti House Restaurant. 
The hoarding was in two halves, and one of them collapsed when a player run into it. They couldn’t get the thing up again, so for the rest of the game it read

Todays Match Sponsor is Spaghetti 
 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Many years ago watching Sutton Utd there was a pitch side advertising hoarding which read

Todays Match Sponsor is Spaghetti House Restaurant. 
The hoarding was in two halves, and one of them collapsed when a player run into it. They couldn’t get the thing up again, so for the rest of the game it read

Todays Match Sponsor is Spaghetti 
 

 

 

Imagine if a player crashed into a Sc**thorpe hoarding and various letters were demolished.

11 hours ago, Simplymo said:

It's very very harsh imo. But if going by the rules, its definitely a penalty for the studs up issue. I get it, but the rules need changing and it was extremely harsh.

Exactly it.

Where the game is right now, where the rules are, it is a stonewall pen.

Now you can debate if the rules are correct, certainly for me it is more should such incidents be deemed penalties rather than is this one a pen, cause by the current lay of the land it is.

16 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Seems to be a lot of fuss about England's pen being given.

Just a modern day penalty for me. The defender is a fraction late with his block, his raise studs hit Kane in a painful spot. In this day and age is a stonewall pen.

Can be unhappy for where the game has gone, a long way from our 70s cup win over Leeds, but is what it is. That's today's game, it's a clear pen.

Kane must have had his studs raised too .

And Kane actually kicked the defender !

Both players had their boots raised to the same level

Next year we'll have micro chips and motion sensors in the boots ,  to determine height and angle of the foot, that's the only way forward 

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15 hours ago, Simplymo said:

It's very very harsh imo. But if going by the rules, its definitely a penalty for the studs up issue. I get it, but the rules need changing and it was extremely harsh.

True, but I couldn't see the original decision not to award the penalty being a " clear and obvious" error.

And Saka touching the ball twice with his hands just before  the ball fell to Kane was strangely a non topic afterwards.

And the ref being found guilty of match fixing in the past didn't help, Bellingham accused him of corruption 3 years ago after a Bundesliga game !

I'm well pleased that we've reached another final, and for some unfathomable reason I reckon England will win it.  

9 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

True, but I couldn't see the original decision not to award the penalty being a " clear and obvious" error.

And Saka touching the ball twice with his hands just before  the ball fell to Kane was strangely a non topic afterwards.

And the ref being found guilty of match fixing in the past didn't help, Bellingham accused him of corruption 3 years ago after a Bundesliga game !

Dermot Gallagher on Talksport last night, asked if it was a penalty said "no way, both players had their feet raised and Kane kicked Dumfries,it's not a clear and obvious mistake and he shouldn't have been sent to review it, when he went to the screen i thought he wouldn't change he's mind"

With Potter and Poch leading the betting as next England manager, we'll be looking back at Southgate's reign with nostalgia in a few months!