2 hours ago, Nibs said:

The Isak and Jackson comparisons were laughable.

 

Had Isak made an assist and hit the post people would still praise him, Jackson doesn't have the support so it didn't matter.

We'll see if Isak can replace Mbappe, till it happens it's only in your head, just so you know...

Our defence is a far bigger issue than Nico missing a few "sitters".

Drogba wasn't amazing in his first couple seasons, which is kind of similar to Jackson. Not to mention he had some of the best players of that time around him. Jackson doesn't have that quality around him, but he's still showing eagerness to score and help the team. I like him. We would be silly to give up on him yet. I mean he's a little over half way through the season and has scored 9 goals. If he ended the season on double that, who of us fans would consider that a poor season? I doubt anyone.

Comparing him to Isak is a little harsh. Isak's had more experience and stability at Newcastle. Their trajectory from La Liga to the Premier League has been quite similar actually, barring that our club has been less stable with different players and systems. The crazy thing is, finishing the season on 18/19 goals would be impressive almost every season in PL history, but it's just it seems this season and last season it's a weird one. You have Palmer last season scoring more goals than all strikers, barring Haaland. This season Cole is outscoring most strikers again, despite not being a striker. 

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by Sunspear_88

3 minutes ago, Sunspear_88 said:

If he ended the season on double that, who of us fans would consider that a poor season? I doubt anyone.

Ever heard of @nonotnowjim?

2 hours ago, strider6004 said:

I talked about Gyokeres a couple of years ago here as a possibility not sure on why no-one big has bought him.

Looking at the EPL, Cunha from Wolves looks the best after Salah 22 from 51 last season and Arsenal are considering.

Touches of Henry, Hazard and Costa though have not seen any headed goals might be one drawback. He has pace and an excellent shot and dribbling. Takes great corners too.

He likes Utd's manager so we may miss out. 

 

 

 

Cunha is great but he's the same kind of player as Nkunku, i think we need a big dominant horrible bastard up top

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Cunha is great but he's the same kind of player as Nkunku, i think we need a big dominant horrible bastard up top

He looks much faster than Nkunku and shoots fantastically and from the edge of the box read he only scored two headers last season.

His dribbling skills are like some of Hazards.

3 hours ago, Sunspear_88 said:

Drogba wasn't amazing in his first couple seasons, which is kind of similar to Jackson. Not to mention he had some of the best players of that time around him. Jackson doesn't have that quality around him, but he's still showing eagerness to score and help the team. I like him. We would be silly to give up on him yet. I mean he's a little over half way through the season and has scored 9 goals. If he ended the season on double that, who of us fans would consider that a poor season? I doubt anyone.

Comparing him to Isak is a little harsh. Isak's had more experience and stability at Newcastle. Their trajectory from La Liga to the Premier League has been quite similar actually, barring that our club has been less stable with different players and systems. The crazy thing is, finishing the season on 18/19 goals would be impressive almost every season in PL history, but it's just it seems this season and last season it's a weird one. You have Palmer last season scoring more goals than all strikers, barring Haaland. This season Cole is outscoring most strikers again, despite not being a striker. 

Comparing goal output against Drogba is one thing - but please do also compare the other things that Drogba gave to the team, that Wacko the c**ty donkey fraud will never give to our team. 

You say King Drogba wasnt amazing in his first 12 seasons - and yet he still led the line for us, playing 41 games in each season, and leading us to the Premier League title in each season.  SO yeah - perhaps the diving was a bit OTT in season 1, and the goals were not flowing - but he still led us to the title. 

These stupid comparisons and mentions of Drogba, and Henry (which some joker mentioned the other day) have to stop. These players were proper players. The real deal. Jackson by contrast is a useless donkey who is Ali Dia levels of bad. How he is stealing a living with Chelsea is beyond me. Get the Twat out of our club. 

4 hours ago, Sunspear_88 said:

Drogba wasn't amazing in his first couple seasons, which is kind of similar to Jackson.

Utter nonsense.

6 hours ago, Sunspear_88 said:

Drogba wasn't amazing in his first couple seasons, which is kind of similar to Jackson. Not to mention he had some of the best players of that time around him. Jackson doesn't have that quality around him, but he's still showing eagerness to score and help the team. I like him. We would be silly to give up on him yet. I mean he's a little over half way through the season and has scored 9 goals. If he ended the season on double that, who of us fans would consider that a poor season? I doubt anyone.

Comparing him to Isak is a little harsh. Isak's had more experience and stability at Newcastle. Their trajectory from La Liga to the Premier League has been quite similar actually, barring that our club has been less stable with different players and systems. The crazy thing is, finishing the season on 18/19 goals would be impressive almost every season in PL history, but it's just it seems this season and last season it's a weird one. You have Palmer last season scoring more goals than all strikers, barring Haaland. This season Cole is outscoring most strikers again, despite not being a striker. 

The fact is that the last time we had a CF with 10+ goals was 5 years ago which was Tammy Abraham... So Havertz, Werner, Lukaku all failed to score.

Jackson in his first season had 14 in 35 appearances, right now he is having a slightly better season but he's not going to score 18 unless he improves more.

Alan Shearer seems to like him a lot and his praise doesn’t come easy.

7 hours ago, Sunspear_88 said:

Drogba wasn't amazing in his first couple seasons, which is kind of similar to Jackson. Not to mention he had some of the best players of that time around him. Jackson doesn't have that quality around him, but he's still showing eagerness to score and help the team. I like him. We would be silly to give up on him yet. I mean he's a little over half way through the season and has scored 9 goals. If he ended the season on double that, who of us fans would consider that a poor season? I doubt anyone.

Comparing him to Isak is a little harsh. Isak's had more experience and stability at Newcastle. Their trajectory from La Liga to the Premier League has been quite similar actually, barring that our club has been less stable with different players and systems. The crazy thing is, finishing the season on 18/19 goals would be impressive almost every season in PL history, but it's just it seems this season and last season it's a weird one. You have Palmer last season scoring more goals than all strikers, barring Haaland. This season Cole is outscoring most strikers again, despite not being a striker. 

You're basing that on goals alone. Drogba's overall influence to how we played was much better than Jackson's. The only ones throwing around this lazy comparison are those that either didn't watch Drogba or forgot.

14 hours ago, Nibs said:

The Isak and Jackson comparisons were laughable.

 

Not really. Isak also scored 1 in 7 to start the season and looked completely off the boil. 

It's more on Isak that his scoring record is only marginally better than Nicolas Jackson

8 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Not really. Isak also scored 1 in 7 to start the season and looked completely off the boil. 

It's more on Isak that his scoring record is only marginally better than Nicolas Jackson

Oh please. Ignore goal stats. Just watch both players. Isak is far & away a better footballer than Jackson in just about every aspect.

There's a reason why all the top clubs in Europe will be linked with Isak and why no-one is interested in signing Jackson. 

Stylistically and statistically a 23 year old Isak and a 23 year old Jackson are basically the same player. Lanky ball carriers who are sh*te aerially. Same xG from open play, similar np:g-xG, similar levels of shot and goal creating actions, similar shots on target %, similar aerial win rate etc. 

4 hours ago, Nibs said:

Oh please. Ignore goal stats. Just watch both players. Isak is far & away a better footballer than Jackson in just about every aspect.

There's a reason why all the top clubs in Europe will be linked with Isak and why no-one is interested in signing Jackson. 

Jackson is still the best striker we have had since Tammy Abraham isn't he?

16 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Stylistically and statistically a 23 year old Isak and a 23 year old Jackson are basically the same player. Lanky ball carriers who are sh*te aerially. Same xG from open play, similar np:g-xG, similar levels of shot and goal creating actions, similar shots on target %, similar aerial win rate etc. 

Fake news.

Sorry dude - it's simply not true. Isak is better at everything - except getting booked.

Edited January 17, 20251 yr by nonotnowjim

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Jackson is still the best striker we have had since Tammy Abraham isn't he?

I wasn't a fan of Tammy, for much the same reasons as Jackson, but Tammy was a) a better finisher b) had more footballing intelligence and c) a home grown lad

These 3 things alone made him a significantly better option than Jackson (even though Tammy was also not good enough, equally lightweight and equally rubbish with his head)

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I wasn't a fan of Tammy, for much the same reasons as Jackson, but Tammy was a) a better finisher b) had more footballing intelligence and c) a home grown lad

These 3 things alone made him a significantly better option than Jackson (even though Tammy was also not good enough, equally lightweight and equally rubbish with his head)

Wouldn't even say he was a better finisher. His goal record doesn't suggest that. If we had tammy now , we would be struggling with the same problems.

9 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I wasn't a fan of Tammy, for much the same reasons as Jackson, but Tammy was a) a better finisher b) had more footballing intelligence and c) a home grown lad

These 3 things alone made him a significantly better option than Jackson (even though Tammy was also not good enough, equally lightweight and equally rubbish with his head)

My question was if since Tammy, that we haven't had a better striker than Jackson.

Hard for you to answer that one though, since you thought that Werner was comparable to D.Costa so feel free to skip that one and take it as a hypothetical or something...

Never seen a striker lean back so much as Jackson, which is a reason he spoons so many chances. Someone ought to slap him round the chops and tell him to keep his head over the ball when he hits it.

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Jackson is still the best striker we have had since Tammy Abraham isn't he?

That isn't exactly saying a lot!

At Chelsea, we have never been blessed with great strikers and I'm well aware that there isn't a dearth of good strikers out there right now - not the 20+ goal a season ones.

In my lifetime we have had Osgood, Dixon, Drogba and Costa who I would class as Top Strikers (many would add JFH to that). Other than those, we have spent a hell of a lot of money on umpteen strikers who on the whole have failed. And now we have Jackson, who most will admit, isn't even a striker.

Let's hope our scouting team can uncover the next Osgood or Dixon - one must be out there somewhere.................

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Fake news.

Sorry dude - it's simply not true. Isak is better at everything - except getting booked.

Facts don't care about your feelings, Jim. 

15 minutes ago, Nibs said:

That isn't exactly saying a lot!

At Chelsea, we have never been blessed with great strikers and I'm well aware that there isn't a dearth of good strikers out there right now - not the 20+ goal a season ones.

In my lifetime we have had Osgood, Dixon, Drogba and Costa who I would class as Top Strikers (many would add JFH to that). Other than those, we have spent a hell of a lot of money on umpteen strikers who on the whole have failed. And now we have Jackson, who most will admit, isn't even a striker.

Let's hope our scouting team can uncover the next Osgood or Dixon - one must be out there somewhere.................

 

 

 

Harsh on Torre Andre Flo, Mark hughes, Luca vialli.

Also I would put Crespo in as not really a failure, with Cassiraghi being just downright unlucky.

45 minutes ago, Nibs said:

That isn't exactly saying a lot!

At Chelsea, we have never been blessed with great strikers and I'm well aware that there isn't a dearth of good strikers out there right now - not the 20+ goal a season ones.

In my lifetime we have had Osgood, Dixon, Drogba and Costa who I would class as Top Strikers (many would add JFH to that). Other than those, we have spent a hell of a lot of money on umpteen strikers who on the whole have failed. And now we have Jackson, who most will admit, isn't even a striker.

Let's hope our scouting team can uncover the next Osgood or Dixon - one must be out there somewhere.................

 

 

 

I would put Anelka in there too.

45 minutes ago, dkw said:

Harsh on Torre Andre Flo, Mark hughes, Luca vialli.

Also I would put Crespo in as not really a failure, with Cassiraghi being just downright unlucky.

Like Flo a lot, but he seemed to do better when coming on as sub and falls a bit short of being a TP striker.

Hughes and Vialli, both great shouts and had they stayed longer and scored more goals would have included them. 

Crespo had everything but just didn't settle with us which is a real shame as he was a great striker.

 

17 minutes ago, Blue_Boy said:

I would put Anelka in there too.

I often forget Anelka played for us. He was such a journeyman - more clubs than Tiger woods as the saying goes. Just can't firgive him for missing THAT penalty either.