I know what you mean, when he's hot he's on fire, when he's cold he's in the freezer.

 

The other amazing stat about him from MOTD the other night is that he is currently on a better goal per game ration than he's ever been on in his career I think it was 13 in his last 30 games, now who would of believed that?

 

No need to call him a 12 year old girl BTW.

I must have missed that 5 mins when he was hot in a blue shirt!

Random update on the official website out-of-freaking-nowhere;

 

Fernando Torres on his love of Japanese cartoons...

'I remember when I was a kid, we couldn't find the signal really well on TV, but everyone in school was talking about this cartoon about football, from Japan.

'It was a series called Oliver y Benji in Spain, and in Japan it was Captain Tsubasa, and these two young players started as youth team players, got into the national team, won the World Cup, and moved to Barcelona and Bayern Munich, then moved to Europe, so it was like a dream.

'I started playing football because of this, and because my brother forced me, and I loved the cartoon. I wanted to be Oliver, because he played out on the field and Benji was the goalkeeper. That was the first contact I had with Japan.'

 

Errr...

Just out of interest who is 'still giving Torres excuses' ?

 

We all know Torres has been poor for us so I don't see why you would need someone to provide you with stats for you to showcase this bit of ground breaking news which you have brought to the thread after 132 pages of people saying it in different ways.

 

And I really struggle to see how people have found fault with him stepping forward, taking andf scoring a penalty. There are plenty of things that people can find fault with Torres for, myself included, but jesus I am genuinely amused how so many have somehow managed to put a negative spin on what can only be a good thing.

 

It would seem that (134 pages now) still havent answered the query then - what IS his ratio of goals to shots, does anyone know as I am more than happy to be proven wrong and by the way the negativity wasnt aimed at the penalty he did eventually take (a good one incidentally), it is aimed at the lack of ambition as a goalscorer to do so in the previous 2 years.............

 

Obviously though it is still an interesting debate after this many pages - if you think there is nothing more to be added, move your thoughts to another thread - simples

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by highwayman64

How can you forget the infamous Spanish interview? The one where he called our champions league winning team old and slow?

And you honestly think this constitutes 'constantly slagging his teal mates off'

You do know the definition of the word 'constantly' don't you?

It would seem that (134 pages now) still havent answered the query then - what IS his ratio of goals to shots, does anyone know as I am more than happy to be proven wrong and by the way the negativity wasnt aimed at the penalty he did eventually take (a good one incidentally), it is aimed and is lack of ambition as a goalscorer to do so in the previous 2 years.............

 

Obviously though it is still an interesting debate after this many pages - if you think there is nothing more to be added, move your thoughts to another thread - simples

You are more than happy to be proven wrong about what exactly? I am not sure what your point is?

Pretty most would agree that Torres has underperformed without the need for more stats.

It wasnt a point it was a question - I just wanted to know if anyone knew the stat, am I not allowed to ask such questions?

 

135 pages now by the way and still running!

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by highwayman64

I thought Torres acted disgracefully prior to the CL penalty shoot-out, thinking of himself rather than the team. It was no time to be petulant. It was a time for good vibes all round. All 5 penalty-takers had taken penalties previously for Chelsea, Torres hadn't. Not only that, but their status as first-team players was established, whereas Torres' wasn't. Even if he wanted to take one (which I doubt, he seemed incredibly stressed out) he should have shown more humility and accepted his place in the pecking order. You need to earn your stripes at this club, you don't have them given to you. Torres has always wanted special treatment.

 

On another note, anyone that thinks Benitez' appointment isn't inextricably linked to Torres is mad IMO.

 

I can only echo the sentiments of others, the sooner the pair leave the club the better.

 

Torres has a poor character. He wants everything his way or else he sulks. He needed persuading by the owner to stay, so he says, and I'm sure the name "Benitez" was mentioned in despatches. Roman wants his £50m trophy signing to succeed and he's done everything he can to accommodate him, going beyond the call of duty. He got game after game after game and still didn't deliver, and when, finally, he was dropped, Robbie was sacked. Coincidence? Not on your nelly. Don't tell me a contingency plan wasn't already in place, going by the name of Benitez. It had already been discussed in the summer, despite the fans voicing their feelings. Remember, every time Robbie substituted Torres, which wasn't that often, Torres was petulant, just like he was in Munich. He comes before the team, every time, and sadly we have an owner that panders to him, and for many of us it has right ruined our season.

 

Make no mistake, Torres is delighted the Fat Spanish Waiter is with us. It's what he always wanted. He wants to be top dog. He wants that honour bestowed upon him. He now knows his place in the team is assured under "Rafa", and he now knows he can brush aside Luiz when it comes to penalties, a guy who had scored both his previous penalties for us this season as well as converting in the CL Final. I found it strange that, for a vital spot-kick in a difficult fixture, a player who had never previously taken a spot-kick was allowed to that. I have never seen that before. Sure, he converted, however, he did so in the knowledge that had he failed, he would have had the backing of the manager, whereas I doubt many other managers would have allowed it.

 

It's the Fernando Torres Show everybody and the sooner it ends the better. For me, he's been a disgrace ever since he joined. A weak, selfish, sulking, prima donna, caught up in himself, and I blame his presence for the Fat Spanish Waiter's appointment.

 

Well done Nando. You got what you wanted. Sadly the rest of us haven't.

 

 

All opinion and hearsay, not back up by facts or first hand experience. Given that you dont appear to work at the club, you seem to "know" a hell of a lot about the workings of Chelsea. Unless you are personally invloved with the club, you have no way of knowing why RA has appointed Benitez (i would imagine that the fact he is one of the most qualified, successful and experienced manager currently availible has somehting to do it - yuk - i dont want to stick up for Rafa, but he is), and you have no way of knowing what Torres's Character is like.

 

As has already been said, at the moment he is our only fit and healthy striker - so it is our (and his own) best interests to play well and keep scoring.   Good on him for scoring in the last 2 against weak opposition. I hope he kicks off and goes on a run, however i doubt it.....that said, this kind of abuse and character assasination that some people are dishing out is a step too far, and all it achieves is making you look like you have an agenda and that you believe everything you read in the gutter press.

 

phrases like "A cancer on the club"  just goes to show what drama queens some people are.

 

 

Yes, well spotted. I posted my opinion. Nothing gets past you.

Baby David 10/12/12 @ 16:54-  

 "I acted disgracefully. Not only that but I wanted Robbie sacked in the summer everytime Robbie substituted Torres. He comes before the team.  Make no mistake. I have been a disgrace."

 

your words not mine....

 

See what happens when I pick and choose the words to read and take words out of context as you did with my post? Yes - you posted your opinion - silly me!  Of course you failed to comment on the rest of my post, specifically that your points were made without facts or first hand experience of the situation.

 

You have made (and you are not the only one)  sweeping accusations and essentially a character assasination of a Chelsea player without any actual knowledge of the situation at hand. Accusations like "Torres is delighted the FSW is with us", "It is what he always wanted", "he wants to be top dog" (find my another striker in world football btw that doesnt want to be a teams main man),   "(he is a) weak, selfish, sulking, prima donna, caught up in himself"  - It is just Torres bashing for the sack of Torres bashing, accusations for the sake of accusations....and all a load of old twaddle which i would expect to read in a broadsheet newspaper, not by a fellow Chelsea "supporter".

 

I am not expecting Torres to come good for CFC. I agree that the sooner we get in a reliable goalscorer the better - but for Christ sake, all this mindless bashing is over the top. We are Chelsea fans first  - Lets get behind our players and stop knocking em.

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by nonotnowjim

It does my head in now that people in the media (and some on here) are falling over themselves to give Benitez credit for reviving Torres. 

 

Torres went through two healthy periods under RDM. Back in March/April highlighted by the QPR hat trick, and Aug/Sept at the start of this season where he looked to (genuinely) have had a new start with Hazard/Mata/Oscar playing havoc behind him. 

 

Obviously we've been fooled before, so I think Benitez's "miraculous" effect on Torres is nothing more than the team playing two soft opponents, and this mercurial bar steward doing what he does every six months or so and going on a small run of goals. 

 

Its just like Benitez getting credit for the teams turnaround in form. What differences are there in our style? Still conceding goals, still getting a ton of chances. I think its far more likely that after 2 wins in our last 10 the team has finally snapped out of its slump, and (seeing how it took him four games to record a win) I doubt Benitez is really deserving of credit for any of it.

 

As much as I dislike crediting a man who embodies just about everything we resent in terms of a managerial appointment I fell he deserves some credit for his impact. Now this may just be a blip for Torres, a good run of form that will dip as soon as he faces any kind of strong opponent, but based on what I have seen so far under this term of Benitez there has been an improvement. We're defending better, as a team and individually and we are far more direct going forward. The improvement of Torres in the last two games as opposed to the Torres who couldn't get a start in Turin is drastic and if you honestly feel thats not down to Benitez then I wonder what you think it is down to?

 

His goals versus the Danes mean absolutely nothing, it was against a terrible defense  but his movement was a huge improvement on what it was under RDM, and the team going forward give him fr more support. We're playing a different style and thats down to Benitez and the style we're currently playing is far more suited to Torres, whether we like it or not, benitez came in and changed our style and now Torres is scoring and looking far far better. It may be a blip, but that blip was cased by Benitez coming in, changing our style and catering more towards Torres thus leading him to scoring goals against the Danes and an improvement of confidence as a result. Thats down to Rafa.

 

You may point to the City and Fulham games, but Benitez had 2 or 3 days to prepare a team he doesn't know at all. He doesn't know their personalities, he doesn't know their preferences and most importantly he doesn't know how they can play. If you expected him to perform miracles here and come in and beat the Champions of England with a team that had been going downhill for the last month you my friend are far too optimistic.

 

To put it in simple terms, he came in, changed our style and gave Torres far more support from the 3 behind him. The consequences of this led to him scoring and a boost in confidence. If you can't see the difference between Torres against West Ham and Torres versus Sunderland you're blind my friend. Very blind indeed. It may all collapse yet, this is Rafa Benitez after all, a man who lasted 25 games at Inter and wanted Gareth Barry to replace Alonso but in the last two games there has been an improvement, whether he can keep that momentum going now is another task altogether.

maybe not one for a Torres thead, but what different style?

 

Man city - Sit back and defend without attacking

Fulham - Sit back  and be overly negative

Pikeys -  Get dominated off the pitch

NewZealand - Dominate possession and attack against a crap team

Sunderland - dominate possession and attack against a crap team - whilst still needing Cech to make a fair few good saves to save the result?

 

The only three postive results we have had has been from being overly defensive (citeh) or playing poor teams in poor form (new zealand, Sunderland)

 

I attach very little credit to the interim for any of those result. However i do credit him with our  poor results at home to Fulham (berty @ RM for a home game?) and away at the Pikeys.

It wasnt a point it was a question - I just wanted to know if anyone knew the stat, am I not allowed to ask such questions?

 

135 pages now by the way and still running!

In your previous post you said 'I am happy to be proved wrong'

So I will ask again- proved wrong about what? What is the point you are trying to make with the aid of these stats which you want someone to research on your behalf?

maybe not one for a Torres thead, but what different style?

 

Man city - Sit back and defend without attacking

Fulham - Sit back  and be overly negative

Pikeys -  Get dominated off the pitch

NewZealand - Dominate possession and attack against a crap team

Sunderland - dominate possession and attack against a crap team - whilst still needing Cech to make a fair few good saves to save the result?

 

The only three postive results we have had has been from being overly defensive (citeh) or playing poor teams in poor form (new zealand, Sunderland)

 

I attach very little credit to the interim for any of those result. However i do credit him with our  poor results at home to Fulham (berty @ RM for a home game?) and away at the Pikeys.

So he has how many days to prepare for the City and Fulham games? With what another 3 or 4 days to get ready for the WH game? All while trying to get a team playing differently?

 

The last two is where the change is obvious, go rewatch the WBA, where you'll see Torres was utter sh*te as was most the team. We're far more direct, less passing and less interchanging, we're not Barca and we have rarely dominated possession to such an extent this season, which is why it never worked. Look how easy we were to counter under Di Matteo, United a prime example. How many shots did we concede versus Juve? You can't sit there and say our midfield has not been better at tracking back and we have more purpose going forward. Moses inclusion over Oscars highlights this perfectly. We are playing less needless passes and exploiting teams weaknesses far better while using our strengths.

 

Chelsea fans grudge against bentiez will always overshadow whatever he accomplishes with us, if he does accomplish anything with us at all. I don't like the man, I don't like him at all and I don't want him near Chelsea football club, but under him Torres has improved and has the team. You can't expect him to come in and beat City with 3 or 4 days to prepare? He probably hadn't talked to alot of the squad before the Fulham game. And WH was a prime example of some poor finishing in the first half, the game should have been dead and buried at half time, bu the players on the pitch failed to do so.

Yes - you posted your opinion - silly me!  Of course you failed to comment on the rest of my post, specifically that your points were made without facts or first hand experience of the situation.

 

The twaddle is all yours. You criticise my post for being all opinion and not being backed up by first-hand experience or facts. Sorry, I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to post my opinion. I didn't realise you could only state an opinion if you had facts and first-hand evidence to back it up. We might as well close this forum down, if that's the criteria. Shall we all write "MY OPINION" in big bold letters underneath all our posts to avoid confusion? Or shall we all start posting other people's opinions and avoid our own, would that be more to your liking?

 

You say I have no way of knowing what Torres' character is like. Guess what? When anybody talks of someone else's character they're expressing their opinion. Like most people in this universe I base my opinion on my observations and my experiences, not yours, if that's okay. I don't have to know Torres personally to express an opinion on him, what sort of baloney is that, or shall we all start writing "I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON OF WHOM I SPEAK PERSONALLY" every time we express an opinion on them? Is that what you want? Or shall we just assume people on this forum have a modicum of intelligence (excusing Redhatter, obviously)?

 

Of course according to you I have an agenda and I believe everything I read in the gutter press. Why? Because my opinion differs from yours. That's right, if we don't all agree with notnowjim, we all have an agenda and we're all gullible idiots and we're all bashing Torres for the sake of it, rather than just expressing our opinion. There are people who worship the ground Torres walks on. I'm not one of them. I no more have an agenda than anybody else. You just don't like what I say, which is fine, but to suggest I need hard evidence or first-hand experience or facts to back up my opinion is absurd. In fact it's just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

Edit: Oh and by the way, thanks for calling me a Chelsea "supporter" (in inverted commas). Nice touch.

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by Davey Baby

And you honestly think this constitutes 'constantly slagging his teal mates off'

You do know the definition of the word 'constantly' don't you?

Yes I do that's why I said constantly whining AND slagging team mates off...not constantly slagging team mates off but thanks for the English lesson ;)

Yes I do that's why I said constantly whining AND slagging team mates off...not constantly slagging team mates off but thanks for the English lesson ;)

So you are saying that he constantly whines but has only slagged his team mates off the one time is that right?

For my benefit when do you consider he has whined?

So you are saying that he constantly whines but has only slagged his team mates off the one time is that right?

For my benefit when do you consider he has whined?

I am saying he whinges a lot and he has been known to slag his team mates off for his poor form. Am I expected to list all the times he has whinged? Because there are a lot of examples to choose from, the biggest for me being his disgusting comments after we won the cl but I forgave those. Enough is enough now for me he needs to go

How about you just give us 2 examples, surely that should be easy to find if he does it so often.

Well I have given 2 with his Spanish interview but I suppose that means you want me to go and get another example?

You gave one, which was explained away.

http://www.soccernews.com/fernando-torres-blames-london-for-lack-of-production/82524/ here is another example of him making excuses.

I would love to know how it was explained away? Did he or did he not call our team old and slow? I will get the transcripts if you really need them

Where does he blame teammates in that? The other one was explained away quite simply, he said the build up play is slow, not the players.

Where does he blame teammates in that? The other one was explained away quite simply, he said the build up play is slow, not the players.

You asked me to give another example of his whinging? Do you really think that much of him to try and pull childish tricks like that? Anyone worth his salt realises Torres is part of the Chelsea problem not the soloution but because he has scored a few goals suddenly what...he is back? The guy does not fit in at the club, we have gone out of our way to make him fit and the soul of the club has been tarnished in doing so.

In your previous post you said 'I am happy to be proved wrong'

So I will ask again- proved wrong about what? What is the point you are trying to make with the aid of these stats which you want someone to research on your behalf?

Yawn yawn - move on.........

Firstly I want to make it clear that I am not and never have been, Fernando Torres' biggest fan. When we bought him I thought it was a mistake, that he was the wrong player at the wrong time.

 

Having said that, some of the hatred directed towards him is way over the top. Most, if not all of the "Torres criticises blames/team-mates" type headlines can in fact be put down to creative interpretation of what he actually said. He gives an interview in Spanish, loosely translated into English, and then ripped apart by the eagle eye of a second rate "journalist" eager to appease the legions of Torres haters out there.Torres hating has now sadly spread to Chelsea fans. Like I said, I'm not his biggest fan, I didn't want him here, but I don't hate the man, or the player.

Take this article linked to by yourself (Fearnley). "Torres blames London" screams the headline. Read the text:

 

“Chelsea is in London, a huge city. I come from Madrid, also a great European capital, but this is much more of everything, for good and for bad,"

 

All he's said is that London is massive and has more of everything, for good and for bad. How can you argue with that? Same with the next quote. Liverpool is a much smaller city, and is therefore easier to get to know, easier to find your way around. He also adds that it was easier for him to settle because of his Spanish team-mates. This was before we signed Juan Mata, remember.

 

It's the same story with the "Torres blames team-mates" headlines. Maybe someone else could look round, but I distinctly remember someone on this very forum providing a direct translation from the original Spanish that bore no relation whatsoever either to the resulting headline or the the misinterpretation of the text.

 

Slag him off for being crap by all means, for failing to live up to expectations, but don't hate the man because of the way some third rate hack of a journalist deliberately and maliciously misinterprets a second hand translation of a Spanish language interview.

Where does he whinge then?by all means talk about him playing poorly, but making stuff up to grief him is just pathetic. Oh, and where exactly do I show I think that much of him? As for being childish, I wouldn't even begin to compete with you on that.

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by dkw

Glad some other posters are seeing sense.

No need to get personal with the guy, he's a blue after all. We are better than that.