I thought Torres acted disgracefully prior to the CL penalty shoot-out, thinking of himself rather than the team. It was no time to be petulant. It was a time for good vibes all round. All 5 penalty-takers had taken penalties previously for Chelsea, Torres hadn't. Not only that, but their status as first-team players was established, whereas Torres' wasn't. Even if he wanted to take one (which I doubt, he seemed incredibly stressed out) he should have shown more humility and accepted his place in the pecking order. You need to earn your stripes at this club, you don't have them given to you. Torres has always wanted special treatment.

On another note, anyone that thinks Benitez' appointment isn't inextricably linked to Torres is mad IMO.

I can only echo the sentiments of others, the sooner the pair leave the club the better.

Torres has a poor character. He wants everything his way or else he sulks. He needed persuading by the owner to stay, so he says, and I'm sure the name "Benitez" was mentioned in despatches. Roman wants his £50m trophy signing to succeed and he's done everything he can to accommodate him, going beyond the call of duty. He got game after game after game and still didn't deliver, and when, finally, he was dropped, Robbie was sacked. Coincidence? Not on your nelly. Don't tell me a contingency plan wasn't already in place, going by the name of Benitez. It had already been discussed in the summer, despite the fans voicing their feelings. Remember, every time Robbie substituted Torres, which wasn't that often, Torres was petulant, just like he was in Munich. He comes before the team, every time, and sadly we have an owner that panders to him, and for many of us it has right ruined our season.

Make no mistake, Torres is delighted the Fat Spanish Waiter is with us. It's what he always wanted. He wants to be top dog. He wants that honour bestowed upon him. He now knows his place in the team is assured under "Rafa", and he now knows he can brush aside Luiz when it comes to penalties, a guy who had scored both his previous penalties for us this season as well as converting in the CL Final. I found it strange that, for a vital spot-kick in a difficult fixture, a player who had never previously taken a spot-kick was allowed to that. I have never seen that before. Sure, he converted, however, he did so in the knowledge that had he failed, he would have had the backing of the manager, whereas I doubt many other managers would have allowed it.

It's the Fernando Torres Show everybody and the sooner it ends the better. For me, he's been a disgrace ever since he joined. A weak, selfish, sulking, prima donna, caught up in himself, and I blame his presence for the Fat Spanish Waiter's appointment.

Well done Nando. You got what you wanted. Sadly the rest of us haven't.

You hear a lot of rumours about the dissent at Chelsea as a result of 'special treatment' much in the way it floated around when sheva was here. Some rumours are ridiculous such as the players don't like passing to Torres to more realistic ones like a lot of the players don't make the effort to socialise with him. How much of that is actually based on fact I don't know but it can't be easy knowing that golden boy gets whatever he wants whilst they have to fight over the scraps. If I was the elected penalty taker and someone snatched the ball out of my hands I don't think I would be too happy about it whether he scored or not.

You echo my very sentiments with your post but don't worry, the imminent arrival of a striker will soon put Torres Chelsea career to bed

defense or support of you know who ...

 

“you know who“? “lindsay“? “girly f**ker“ ...... jesus ... 51 and sooo childish

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by 10to10

All opinion.

 

Yes, well spotted. I posted my opinion. Nothing gets past you.

Which striker are you expecting imminently?

Which striker are you expecting imminently?

Well I know who I want but I'm doubtful we will get him. We need a striker to be bought in January (or lukaku recalled) with the amount of games we have to play and sturridges injury problems I fully expect to sign a striker in January

Lukaku, is not the answer for us at the moment, coming off the bench for W.B.A is a world away from leading Chelsea's attack!

 

Sturridge will probably go, and we will probably buy a back up striker to Torres for the rest of this season, so how does that change anything?

I agree with that. Lukaku has still a long long way to go. People are raving about him coming off the bench and scoring a couple of goals, that doesnt mean he is ready for us. Di Santo scores for Wigan but would you want him back and leading out line?

With Studge probably being sold next month we will need two strikers imo.

Lukaku, is not the answer for us at the moment, coming off the bench for W.B.A is a world away from leading Chelsea's attack!

Sturridge will probably go, and we will probably buy a back up striker to Torres for the rest of this season, so how does that change anything?

Because even a half decent striker will get a bigger goal return than Torres has. How many times have we seen him positions and 9 out of 10 strikers would shoot or those times when he is through on goal and hesitates?

“you know who“? “lindsay“? “girly f**ker“ ...... jesus ... 51 and sooo childish

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll, post number 16 on your one and only subject. I'm sure Torres appreciates it.

Because even a half decent striker will get a bigger goal return than Torres has. How many times have we seen him positions and 9 out of 10 strikers would shoot or those times when he is through on goal and hesitates?

 

Hate stats, but I'm sure I read somewhere that he has less shots per goal than any other striker, the inference being that he doesn't shoot wastefully.

 

But stats meh!

Hate stats, but I'm sure I read somewhere that he has less shots per goal than any other striker, the inference being that he doesn't shoot wastefully.

But stats meh!

Well I'm thinking of the time he tripped against arsenal before pulling the trigger and he has done that more than once this year. I think Torres is a bit hard to place on stats because he blows hot and cold like 12 yr old school girl but far too inconsistent to be the lead striker of a club

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by Fearnley

I know what you mean, when he's hot he's on fire, when he's cold he's in the freezer.

 

The other amazing stat about him from MOTD the other night is that he is currently on a better goal per game ration than he's ever been on in his career I think it was 13 in his last 30 games, now who would of believed that?

 

No need to call him a 12 year old girl BTW.

It does my head in now that people in the media (and some on here) are falling over themselves to give Benitez credit for reviving Torres. 

 

Torres went through two healthy periods under RDM. Back in March/April highlighted by the QPR hat trick, and Aug/Sept at the start of this season where he looked to (genuinely) have had a new start with Hazard/Mata/Oscar playing havoc behind him. 

 

Obviously we've been fooled before, so I think Benitez's "miraculous" effect on Torres is nothing more than the team playing two soft opponents, and this mercurial bar steward doing what he does every six months or so and going on a small run of goals. 

 

Its just like Benitez getting credit for the teams turnaround in form. What differences are there in our style? Still conceding goals, still getting a ton of chances. I think its far more likely that after 2 wins in our last 10 the team has finally snapped out of its slump, and (seeing how it took him four games to record a win) I doubt Benitez is really deserving of credit for any of it.

I know what you mean, when he's hot he's on fire, when he's cold he's in the freezer.

The other amazing stat about him from MOTD the other night is that he is currently on a better goal per game ration than he's ever been on in his career I think it was 13 in his last 30 games, now who would of believed that?

No need to call him a 12 year old girl BTW.

It's the long hair, soft jaw and flat chest...I get confused some times

Perhaps thats why he's had the hair cut off? He doesn't want you to get the wrong idea!

Oh I forgot the constant whining and slagging his team mates off!

And he did this when?

 

For a moment you almost made sense.

How can you forget the infamous Spanish interview? The one where he called our champions league winning team old and slow?

And he did this when?

 

For a moment you almost made sense.

Doesn't usually last long on here these days mate!

Oh I forgot the constant whining and slagging his team mates off!

 

 

There are plenty of things to be frustrated about without reaching for half-invented gutter press (mis)quotes and silly jibes like "Fernanda".

 

As much as Torres pisses me off and lets me down, he has still been here for 2 years and I have accepted him as a Chelsea player despite his many faults.

 

And as much as people are drawing a connection between him and Benitez, one is a conman hypocrite who has been here 5 minutes, and the other has worked his bollocks off in many games, often in vain, but sometimes very importantly for the good of the team.

 

Now, if Torres firmly casts his lot with Rafa when the latter is inevitably dismissed, I will rethink that.

How can you forget the infamous Spanish interview? The one where he called our champions league winning team old and slow?

 

He was asked if he was happy at being on the subs bench and said no, god thats the crime of the century that 1!

 

I will assume that you don't work in a competetive industry, I do and I want all the glory, not just some of it!

He was asked if he was happy at being on the subs bench and said no, god thats the crime of the century that 1!

I will assume that you don't work in a competetive industry, I do and I want all the glory, not just some of it!

Well we can pick at hairs but in the interview he blamed his form on a slow old team. And again he credits fsw for his recent form but I remember him getting a hat trick under RDM and at one point was he not on 7 in 10? I just think he would rather blame others than himself. I don't have any time for him anymore he has had nearly 2 yrs of support but he is just a square peg in a round hole

It does my head in now that people in the media (and some on here) are falling over themselves to give Benitez credit for reviving Torres. 

 

Torres went through two healthy periods under RDM. Back in March/April highlighted by the QPR hat trick, and Aug/Sept at the start of this season where he looked to (genuinely) have had a new start with Hazard/Mata/Oscar playing havoc behind him. 

 

Obviously we've been fooled before, so I think Benitez's "miraculous" effect on Torres is nothing more than the team playing two soft opponents, and this mercurial bar steward doing what he does every six months or so and going on a small run of goals. 

 

Its just like Benitez getting credit for the teams turnaround in form. What differences are there in our style? Still conceding goals, still getting a ton of chances. I think its far more likely that after 2 wins in our last 10 the team has finally snapped out of its slump, and (seeing how it took him four games to record a win) I doubt Benitez is really deserving of credit for any of it.

If you can't see the improvement in our defending and the effect it's had on certain players then I think you are taking your point a bit too far, apart from that small thing I agree.

If you can't see the improvement in our defending and the effect it's had on certain players then I think you are taking your point a bit too far, apart from that small thing I agree.

 

 

In my opinion You have to look at the defending objectionally.

 

Take the Man City game, yes a distinct improvement defensively but a catastrophic backwards step in going forwards, Robbie was given the task of having us play Barca style and had he played a game with such little ambition he would have been playing into the hands of the man who was waiting for an excuse to sack him.

 

Fulham again defensively ok but Fulham are dire and we still were lack lustre going forwards, pretty much a wasted opportunity to take an easy three points and the second game we failed to score at home in this season...both under Benitez.

 

West Ham, started well and tried some attacking stuff, too much for us against a team that didn't roll over and we see the interims tactics bearing very little fruit when he sets us up to attack more, defending no different to it was before he came.

 

the two victories were just what we would have and should have expected whoever was in charge and both times the opposition was pretty much fodder.

 

The only time we see improvement defensively is to our cost going forward and the reason the interim gets away with that is because hes the interim,

 Abramovic won't want that sort of style for very long and FSW knows the key to hanging on is a mixture of getting Torres scoring and no decent Manager being availlable or willing, hes likely discussed that with Nando and thats why hes decided to take the penalties.

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by Chippy

Bit hasty on the 'improvement in defending' in my opinion. Ok against Man C mostly, a bit fortunate at times against Fulham, completely folded against West Ham (3 goals in 1 half), not much to defend agains that Danish team and conceded 1 against the 2nd lowest prem scorers (and didnt exactly look solid in 2nd half) - no, need more convicing here.......