Why does Torres always blame his team mates when he has a shocker? Is that something he picked up from fsw?

Seen it before mate. And that proves what exactly? I love the look of anger in RDM's face when he has to stop what he's doing and grab the whiny tosser's arm. Just what was needed at that moment. Doubt that the Fat Waiter has ever been that tough with him. What's that old saying, "there is no I in team"? Robbie should have got Drogba to knock the girly f**ker out before he went and took his penalty.

 

i was waiting for this idiotic response, it was just too predictable.

 

so you mock torres for not wanting to take penalties, but then you bash him for wanting to take one. how fukin old are you? you cant hold an argument for sht

Seen it before mate. And that proves what exactly? I love the look of anger in RDM's face when he has to stop what he's doing and grab the whiny tosser's arm. Just what was needed at that moment. Doubt that the Fat Waiter has ever been that tough with him. What's that old saying, "there is no I in team"? Robbie should have got Drogba to knock the girly f**ker out before he went and took his penalty.

You been on the bevvy all afternoon or are you really that much of a prick? 

 

It proves that no one knew if they were taking a penalty because they were all stood around robbie waiting for the least. Is it really a big deal if torres shrugs his ffs

So we are still giving Torres excuses I see, anyone got any stats on his goals to shots ratio in last 12 mths, I am pretty sure amongst top teams it would be amongst the worst, and now suddenly he decides he can take pens after all..........strange approach from a striker, I thought they all had a hunger to take every opportunity presented to them.

Aside from Bogarde I don't think I've ever disliked a Chelsea player as much as I dislike Torres.

Agreed - I said it at the time and I say it now, Torres should have been the person sacked not RDM, 3 managers and counting he is a massive chip on our shoulders.

Just- That comment was predictably pathetic, i'm sure you'd say this to the guy, that even JT has admitted he can handle himself, you joker!

i was waiting for this idiotic response, it was just too predictable.

 

so you mock torres for not wanting to take penalties, but then you bash him for wanting to take one. how fukin old are you? you cant hold an argument for sht

 

 

51. Yourself?. Once more in big letters here's what I think:

 

 

1. The penalty takers had been chosen by Robbie before the match. As radical as it sounds they may even have practiced taking them!

2. Torres was never on the list of takers and already knew it.

3. When the moment came for the penalty shoot out Di Matteo was checking who was still up for it under pressure and was possibly also preparing the order if it went to sudden death kicks.

 

 

Did Lindsay want to take one? I don't know. Did he know he wasn't on the list to take, yes I think he did. Torres didn't like it, hence his bitching to the press the day after.

 

If I'm wrong and the list of takers hadn't been prepared by Robbie beforehand, and Lindsay genuinely wanted to take one then I'm wrong. It won't be the first or last time I know. But his reluctance to take them on previous occaisions, (Birmingham / Genk) is in marked contrast to his sudden enthusiasm to take one against Suderland. So what's changed? The arrival of the FSW?

 

In my post on the other page I said that Torres is part of the cancer that is infecting the club at the moment. I truly believe that. Two years this "will he, won't he" saga has been going now and there looks little chance of it ending anytime soon. He is, without doubt, one of the worst transfer signings in the history of football. He will never come good, he will never be consistent, he will never be the striker we need. And yet, from some, the excuses will continue to be rolled out. And when once again he flatters to decieve with a few decent performances, usually against lower level opposition, or the odd goal, there will be people with renewed hope wanting to give him yet another chance and persist with him for a bit longer.

 

LIke Hazard-a-guess has posted above, I don't think I have ever wanted a player to leave the club as much as I do Torres. For his sake and for the clubs.

LIke Hazard-a-guess has posted above, I don't think I have ever wanted a player to leave the club as much as I do Torres. For his sake and for the clubs.

 

That explains everything.

Seen it before mate. And that proves what exactly? I love the look of anger in RDM's face when he has to stop what he's doing and grab the whiny tosser's arm. Just what was needed at that moment. Doubt that the Fat Waiter has ever been that tough with him. What's that old saying, "there is no I in team"? Robbie should have got Drogba to knock the girly f**ker out before he went and took his penalty.

 

It proves that he was willing to take one, which I think we have agreed on now anyway so no need to say any more on that one.

 

I can't quite relate to the venomous hatred you seem to have of Torres I must say. I am certainly not a member of the Torres taliban I just try and call things as I see them, including both criticism and praise as and when its due. I do agree I don't like the way he acted during that moment, like you say it is the last thing you need however as you have also pointed out nobody knows exactly what was being said at the time and needless to say emotions were surely running high.

 

With regards to your comment for Drogba to 'knock the girly f**ker out' I must say I find this rather strange. Ignoring the fact that it sounds like something a rival fan would say about one of our players I also find it strange that you picked Drogba, whilst being a Chelsea legend he is also a player who has had a 'strop' when not being allowed to take a penalty when the stakes were high and recated in a fashion not too disimilar to Torres in Munich.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275664/Chelsea-8-Wigan-0-Didier-Drogba-goes-sulker-sharp-shooter-Blues-stroll-title.html

I also find it strange that you picked Drogba, whilst being a Chelsea legend he is also a player who has had a 'strop' when not being allowed to take a penalty when the stakes were high and recated in a fashion not too disimilar to Torres in Munich.

 

 

True, but Drogba had more stick than Torres did at the time, and overall Torres has had more leeway than any other player who has played for us.

True, but Drogba had more stick than Torres did at the time, and overall Torres has had more leeway than any other player who has played for us.

 

I agree, just trying to show that these things can happen in the heat of the moment, I didn't like the look of either incident, it is the last thing you want to see but thankfully we ended up winning both the Premiership title and the Champions League respectively so both ended well and I would hope that we could put both incidents behind us and move on without using it as a stick to beat our players with, insulting them whilst wishing they had been knocked out etc!

Edited December 10, 201213 yr by mclovin83

51. Yourself?. Once more in big letters here's what I think:

1. The penalty takers had been chosen by Robbie before the match. As radical as it sounds they may even have practiced taking them!

2. Torres was never on the list of takers and already knew it.

3. When the moment came for the penalty shoot out Di Matteo was checking who was still up for it under pressure and was possibly also preparing the order if it went to sudden death kicks.

Did Lindsay want to take one? I don't know. Did he know he wasn't on the list to take, yes I think he did. Torres didn't like it, hence his bitching to the press the day after.

If I'm wrong and the list of takers hadn't been prepared by Robbie beforehand, and Lindsay genuinely wanted to take one then I'm wrong. It won't be the first or last time I know. But his reluctance to take them on previous occaisions, (Birmingham / Genk) is in marked contrast to his sudden enthusiasm to take one against Suderland. So what's changed? The arrival of the FSW?

In my post on the other page I said that Torres is part of the cancer that is infecting the club at the moment. I truly believe that. Two years this "will he, won't he" saga has been going now and there looks little chance of it ending anytime soon. He is, without doubt, one of the worst transfer signings in the history of football. He will never come good, he will never be consistent, he will never be the striker we need. And yet, from some, the excuses will continue to be rolled out. And when once again he flatters to decieve with a few decent performances, usually against lower level opposition, or the odd goal, there will be people with renewed hope wanting to give him yet another chance and persist with him for a bit longer.

LIke Hazard-a-guess has posted above, I don't think I have ever wanted a player to leave the club as much as I do Torres. For his sake and for the clubs.

Spot on! I think it only takes the signing of a half decent striker or the return if lukaku and he will be complaining about feeling the pressure. At both his previous clubs he was just instantly the main man! He never had to fight for his place or show the spirit drogba has. Don't get me wrong he has had success that way at international level but domestically he leaves you wanting

Am I the only one who will celebrate like a last minute pen agaisnt Bayern when this thread get's the chop?

I think it's bringing out the worst in many of us (even I was a bit of a prick to Coco who I enjoy his posts but was uncalled for non the less) some can't handle a blue being labbled a prick or wimp ect while some will not forget the last 2 years where we have given support above and beyond the norm for Fernando.

It's been a struggle this one!

Am I the only one who will celebrate like a last minute pen agaisnt Bayern when this thread get's the chop?

I think it's bringing out the worst in many of us (even I was a bit of a prick to Coco who I enjoy his posts but was uncalled for non the less) some can't handle a blue being labbled a prick or wimp ect while some will not forget the last 2 years where we have given support above and beyond the norm for Fernando.

It's been a struggle this one!

 

 

The only things that bug me on this thread are.

 

1, The name calling, it's just not needed, he's our player!

 

2, The not giving credit where it's due, if he plays well their's always a caveat as to why he played well i.e the oppo were crap! We don't do that with other players who have underperformed against the bigger teams.

 

Like you though RFC I will be pleased when the thread goes, but I can't help but to keep coming back to it.

So we are still giving Torres excuses I see, anyone got any stats on his goals to shots ratio in last 12 mths, I am pretty sure amongst top teams it would be amongst the worst, and now suddenly he decides he can take pens after all..........strange approach from a striker, I thought they all had a hunger to take every opportunity presented to them.

 

Just out of interest who is 'still giving Torres excuses' ?

 

We all know Torres has been poor for us so I don't see why you would need someone to provide you with stats for you to showcase this bit of ground breaking news which you have brought to the thread after 132 pages of people saying it in different ways.

 

And I really struggle to see how people have found fault with him stepping forward, taking andf scoring a penalty. There are plenty of things that people can find fault with Torres for, myself included, but jesus I am genuinely amused how so many have somehow managed to put a negative spin on what can only be a good thing.

On the penalty, it's not that Torres found the bollox to take one and scored that anyone has an issue with, it's that it's taken this long for him to find a pair.  We've been through countelss key; managerial, tactical, team, club decisions to get to the stage where he's finally decided that he's able to take a spot kick.  That's bollox.  And RDM was right not to trust him in the CL final even if he did say that he was up for it, he'd shown nothing else since his signing to suggest that he would score one.

I think Just is right, I think Torres has been a cancer in our club for too long now and if he can only play well for one manager, I hope they leave together and have a long and happy life together, as long as it's nowhere near my beloved club.  We should be too big to pander to one player the way we have done to Torres.

Going a little off topic here i thought the pen takers in the final were spot on. Lamps, Cole, Drogba, Luiz has proved a good spot kicker, the only one i wasnt sure about was Mata and he didnt score. There were other players on the pitch that i think everyone would have picked before picking Torres to take one.

I'd always thought that Brana would be a good pen taker. I cant rememeber him ever taking one, unless i have blanked it from memory. He just seems the type to smash it in the net, none of these silly kicks that Van Persie has taken in the past.

That explains everything.

 

Similarly for you my friend. You became a member of these forums not long after Torres arrived in 2011 and have made 14 posts. Every single one of them in defense or support of you know who. No other contributions or thoughts expressed for any other facet of Chelsea FC. Just Torres related input.

 

Redhatter MK II

On the penalty, it's not that Torres found the bollox to take one and scored that anyone has an issue with, it's that it's taken this long for him to find a pair.  We've been through countelss key; managerial, tactical, team, club decisions to get to the stage where he's finally decided that he's able to take a spot kick.  That's bollox.  And RDM was right not to trust him in the CL final even if he did say that he was up for it, he'd shown nothing else since his signing to suggest that he would score one.

 

I can't think of many occasions to date when there would have been a scenario where Torres would or could have stepped up in reality.

If Lampard is playing he takes the pens, simple as that, don't think there can be many arguments there.

There was a game against Birmingham in the FA Cup (I think) where he was apparently offered to take one and declined but there was also the CL final where he seemingly wanted to take one so I don't really see a major issue here. He never really has been a penalty taker so I don't tghink it's scandelous that he hasn't been demanding to take then regularly with us.

 

I fully agree with the penalty takers selected for Munich and wouldn't have had confidence in Torres to score one at that moment in time, that is my honest opinion but I don't think it is really relevent to the current debate.

I thought Torres acted disgracefully prior to the CL penalty shoot-out, thinking of himself rather than the team. It was no time to be petulant. It was a time for good vibes all round. All 5 penalty-takers had taken penalties previously for Chelsea, Torres hadn't. Not only that, but their status as first-team players was established, whereas Torres' wasn't. Even if he wanted to take one (which I doubt, he seemed incredibly stressed out) he should have shown more humility and accepted his place in the pecking order. You need to earn your stripes at this club, you don't have them given to you. Torres has always wanted special treatment.

 

On another note, anyone that thinks Benitez' appointment isn't inextricably linked to Torres is mad IMO.

 

I can only echo the sentiments of others, the sooner the pair leave the club the better.

 

Torres has a poor character. He wants everything his way or else he sulks. He needed persuading by the owner to stay, so he says, and I'm sure the name "Benitez" was mentioned in despatches. Roman wants his £50m trophy signing to succeed and he's done everything he can to accommodate him, going beyond the call of duty. He got game after game after game and still didn't deliver, and when, finally, he was dropped, Robbie was sacked. Coincidence? Not on your nelly. Don't tell me a contingency plan wasn't already in place, going by the name of Benitez. It had already been discussed in the summer, despite the fans voicing their feelings. Remember, every time Robbie substituted Torres, which wasn't that often, Torres was petulant, just like he was in Munich. He comes before the team, every time, and sadly we have an owner that panders to him, and for many of us it has right ruined our season.

 

Make no mistake, Torres is delighted the Fat Spanish Waiter is with us. It's what he always wanted. He wants to be top dog. He wants that honour bestowed upon him. He now knows his place in the team is assured under "Rafa", and he now knows he can brush aside Luiz when it comes to penalties, a guy who had scored both his previous penalties for us this season as well as converting in the CL Final. I found it strange that, for a vital spot-kick in a difficult fixture, a player who had never previously taken a spot-kick was allowed to that. I have never seen that before. Sure, he converted, however, he did so in the knowledge that had he failed, he would have had the backing of the manager, whereas I doubt many other managers would have allowed it.

 

It's the Fernando Torres Show everybody and the sooner it ends the better. For me, he's been a disgrace ever since he joined. A weak, selfish, sulking, prima donna, caught up in himself, and I blame his presence for the Fat Spanish Waiter's appointment.

 

Well done Nando. You got what you wanted. Sadly the rest of us haven't.

:(

Davey you know I love you, but as the leader of the anti-Torres Taliban (do you see what I did their) I can only disagree with most of your sentiments!

 

However we do agree that the sooner the FSW goes the better.

Davey you know I love you.

 

The feeling's mutual sweety pants x

I thought Torres acted disgracefully prior to the CL penalty shoot-out, thinking of himself rather than the team. It was no time to be petulant. It was a time for good vibes all round. All 5 penalty-takers had taken penalties previously for Chelsea, Torres hadn't. Not only that, but their status as first-team players was established, whereas Torres' wasn't. Even if he wanted to take one (which I doubt, he seemed incredibly stressed out) he should have shown more humility and accepted his place in the pecking order. You need to earn your stripes at this club, you don't have them given to you. Torres has always wanted special treatment.

 

On another note, anyone that thinks Benitez' appointment isn't inextricably linked to Torres is mad IMO.

 

I can only echo the sentiments of others, the sooner the pair leave the club the better.

 

Torres has a poor character. He wants everything his way or else he sulks. He needed persuading by the owner to stay, so he says, and I'm sure the name "Benitez" was mentioned in despatches. Roman wants his £50m trophy signing to succeed and he's done everything he can to accommodate him, going beyond the call of duty. He got game after game after game and still didn't deliver, and when, finally, he was dropped, Robbie was sacked. Coincidence? Not on your nelly. Don't tell me a contingency plan wasn't already in place, going by the name of Benitez. It had already been discussed in the summer, despite the fans voicing their feelings. Remember, every time Robbie substituted Torres, which wasn't that often, Torres was petulant, just like he was in Munich. He comes before the team, every time, and sadly we have an owner that panders to him, and for many of us it has right ruined our season.

 

Make no mistake, Torres is delighted the Fat Spanish Waiter is with us. It's what he always wanted. He wants to be top dog. He wants that honour bestowed upon him. He now knows his place in the team is assured under "Rafa", and he now knows he can brush aside Luiz when it comes to penalties, a guy who had scored both his previous penalties for us this season as well as converting in the CL Final. I found it strange that, for a vital spot-kick in a difficult fixture, a player who had never previously taken a spot-kick was allowed to that. I have never seen that before. Sure, he converted, however, he did so in the knowledge that had he failed, he would have had the backing of the manager, whereas I doubt many other managers would have allowed it.

 

It's the Fernando Torres Show everybody and the sooner it ends the better. For me, he's been a disgrace ever since he joined. A weak, selfish, sulking, prima donna, caught up in himself, and I blame his presence for the Fat Spanish Waiter's appointment.

 

Well done Nando. You got what you wanted. Sadly the rest of us haven't.

 

All opinion and hearsay, not back up by facts or first hand experience. Given that you dont appear to work at the club, you seem to "know" a hell of a lot about the workings of Chelsea. Unless you are personally invloved with the club, you have no way of knowing why RA has appointed Benitez (i would imagine that the fact he is one of the most qualified, successful and experienced manager currently availible has somehting to do it - yuk - i dont want to stick up for Rafa, but he is), and you have no way of knowing what Torres's Character is like.

 

As has already been said, at the moment he is our only fit and healthy striker - so it is our (and his own) best interests to play well and keep scoring.   Good on him for scoring in the last 2 against weak opposition. I hope he kicks off and goes on a run, however i doubt it.....that said, this kind of abuse and character assasination that some people are dishing out is a step too far, and all it achieves is making you look like you have an agenda and that you believe everything you read in the gutter press.

 

phrases like "A cancer on the club"  just goes to show what drama queens some people are.